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Toecutter said:
...yea thought I knew the place, but that domain was up for grabs...:confused:
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You will all be informed hopefully quite soon of free speech radio, forums, streams, and anything else I can think of having my computer guy make for me.
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
You will all be informed hopefully quite soon of free speech radio, forums, streams, and anything else I can think of having my computer guy make for me.
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Just get your own web domain and start your own forum. Maybe there will be less whining and bitching about TT returns from people who don't understand the game.
 
Rocket192 said:
Just get your own web domain and start your own forum. Maybe there will be less whining and bitching about TT returns from people who don't understand the game.
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OR he could hack an existing one because in a parallel universe, he is the head (or at least the crotch) of anonymous.
 
Sunsout Gunsout said:
You will all be informed hopefully quite soon of free speech radio, forums, streams, and anything else I can think of having my computer guy make for me.
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Ok, I've gotta ask-

Are you chipping out, or
Are you creating your own forums, radio channel, etc., or
Are you chipping out and creating your own forums, radio channel, etc.? :laugh:
 
atomicstorm said:
Random is random.

You can't have it both ways.. you either have an event like this where luck of the draw is a factor but turnover still gives a mathematical edge or you have a pure dps event like merry mayhem... which less face it.. the people at the top of this event will win that one too.

Sure it sucks you didn't win anything for swirling like a mad man but cheated? No, the parameters for getting points were the same for all.. you just didn't get any big points and that's the nature of this type of event.
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From what I've heard and seen, I did the most dmg per hour in this event. As a math minded person, it is simply hard to believe that 6 people all got that much "luckier" than I did in this event. Not only should their average points per hour been lower from the "normal" drops, but they shouldn't likely see a 5k or 1k more often than me if they are killing slower should they?

In addition, this is has actually happened to me in EVERY Halloween contest to date. It also seems to be similar people to the other times that DID get the 5k/1k's more than I did. This is also including the DSU events.

I just find it a bit too defying of typical math to be a coincidence. I don't think they are using some magical game knowledge skill to get more 5k and 1k's. Sorry to complain but if you look back over results over the year and imagine the feeling you'd have with more globals than almost anyone in the contest, you'd also feel a bit strange.
 
Well, we know that some people have extra knowledge in the game.. and those people have NDAs. We know this to be a fact. But I don't find anything these people might have knowledge of in this event any different than the people who exploited item waves in cyrene, eomon, apparently arkadia, rocktropia, the ul rings.. just poor loot algorithms and those are getting very exploited.

As for statistical probability, faster dps would only guarantee more dice rolls but not more points.. as you have to loot the rarer types. There are no guarantees. It's like buying 5000 boxes. You would expect to get a few rings but you never roll the right combination and get less than expected.
 
Mercury said:
"Lucky"

Seems almost too "unlucky" that I got 4x 500 and 1x 1k in 40 hours with what appears to be the most dps or damn close (based on the tracker showing most globals on Zombia Mutants).

I compared data with someone with roughly 300k less damage per hour who got 1x5k, 4x1k, and 7x500. It seems like a bit much to overcome with "luck" doesn't it? :scratch:
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I got 1x500 and 1x1000 and that was the first weekend. I also looted several ESIs, decent guns, etc. all during the first couple days. After that, everything turned to crap. Didn't get a single decent pumpkin or loot anything worth having. I was doing somewhere between 250k and 300k dmg/hr. At first, it looked like I was heading toward 15-20k points. Eventually, it got so bad that I gave up after 35 hours.

Maybe, it wasn't so much random luck as much as it was being lucky enough to be playing early, when all the good stuff was dropping? I don't know.

Guess I didn't spend that much on it and I was getting good skill gains, so I'll get over it.
 
Rumsponge said:
Ok, I've gotta ask-

Are you chipping out, or
Are you creating your own forums, radio channel, etc., or
Are you chipping out and creating your own forums, radio channel, etc.? :laugh:
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The forums don't allow me to say.

Started with mining...and figuring out how to sell 8500 items.

The rest will come later...

For me to have enough proof that I start to feel bad for even people like Star should tell you something. But not Stryker tho, he spends more time in Sweden <removed>
 
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Mercury said:
From what I've heard and seen, I did the most dmg per hour in this event. As a math minded person, it is simply hard to believe that 6 people all got that much "luckier" than I did in this event. Not only should their average points per hour been lower from the "normal" drops, but they shouldn't likely see a 5k or 1k more often than me if they are killing slower should they?

In addition, this is has actually happened to me in EVERY Halloween contest to date. It also seems to be similar people to the other times that DID get the 5k/1k's more than I did. This is also including the DSU events.

I just find it a bit too defying of typical math to be a coincidence. I don't think they are using some magical game knowledge skill to get more 5k and 1k's. Sorry to complain but if you look back over results over the year and imagine the feeling you'd have with more globals than almost anyone in the contest, you'd also feel a bit strange.
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I noticed the top people bought a lot of essence from me through auction. Did you do the same?
 
Mercury said:
"Lucky"

Seems almost too "unlucky" that I got 4x 500 and 1x 1k in 40 hours with what appears to be the most dps or damn close (based on the tracker showing most globals on Zombia Mutants).

I compared data with someone with roughly 300k less damage per hour who got 1x5k, 4x1k, and 7x500. It seems like a bit much to overcome with "luck" doesn't it? :scratch:

Grats to the winners; sorry to say, I feel like a Loser for participating.

I'm sure some haters will follow this post with a bunch of hating on me for making it, but I think the tracker should show about why I feel cheated.
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Funny how when I and others make comments about these "luck" aberrations that are far from random, we get shat on, yet you experience similar aberrations that prove that things simply DON'T follow simple DPS assumptions, PED cycling or pure randomness--and people scratch their heads instead. :rolleyes:
 
Harmony. said:
I noticed the top people bought a lot of essence from me through auction. Did you do the same?
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I sure did. I watched as the "winner" repeatedly HoFFed and globaled on the Count Vamp while I was busy killing him over and over getting nothing (with likely more killspeed as I never fapped).

Coelacanth said:
Funny how when I and others make comments about these "luck" aberrations that are far from random, we get shat on, yet you experience similar aberrations that prove that things simply DON'T follow simple DPS assumptions, PED cycling or pure randomness--and people scratch their heads instead. :rolleyes:
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I'm not noticing "luck", I'm noticing quite the opposite. It really doesn't add up even with "luck" in my eyes. I have as large a sample size as anyone can get from doing every event in EU ever.
 
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Mercury said:
I sure did. I watched as the "winner" repeatedly HoFFed and globaled on the Count Vamp while I was busy killing him over and over getting nothing (with likely more killspeed as I never fapped).



I'm not noticing "luck", I'm noticing quite the opposite. It really doesn't add up even with "luck" in my eyes. I have as large a sample size as anyone can get from doing every event in EU ever.
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You now know why I put "luck" in quotes. Luck doesn't happen in this game. It's all programmed somehow.

EDIT: I was agreeing with your observations when I replied to you, not doubting you. ;)
 
Or, edited my post. I am just lazy to get into arguments..

BTW, I feel really sad for Andrey, I would love to see proves of their time tracking (so i.e. what time he spent in instances from their side.. and also would love to see a detailed log, not just final number of time)
 
I put Linzey into google translate and it spit out "dynamic" in over 40 dialects and as MA has always said "Loot is Dynamic" case closed: which shorted comes to "CC" hmm got a pattern going here :wtg:
 
Mercury said:
I sure did. I watched as the "winner" repeatedly HoFFed and globaled on the Count Vamp while I was busy killing him over and over getting nothing (with likely more killspeed as I never fapped).



I'm not noticing "luck", I'm noticing quite the opposite. It really doesn't add up even with "luck" in my eyes. I have as large a sample size as anyone can get from doing every event in EU ever.
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Its very rare that i agree with Jenna Mercury

But all that have been said, i more than agree on what is sayd about luck

there is no luck in there. You are a "chosen" or you are not as i have sayd many times.

The fact that Linzey won the 3 Halloween mayhem in 3 years (because last year he was shared with stryker with term t9 and then 10) even without terminator that year just mean its all preset.

This is complete bullshit - i got exactly the same returns the 3 halloween mayhems, my points just go up of X% becoz my dps go up of x%

I sayd before the event start "congratulation Linzey" and the fact he won one more time just show what we all see since a long time - there is nothing random in EU

There is a LOT more that can be sayd about people that get mindark "favors" repetivly but just fuck it. Keep watching that bullshit year after year. And keep wondering why this game dont attract more people or make almost every new players give up after a few days.

Keep asking yourself why 90% of active players dont even play the events anymore because they know what is going to happen.

Just look on last 3 uber weapons looted in WHOLE entropia universe last 6 months ( Perfected Tegretov, BL 1950, Skildek Exterminator) and guess who looted them?*****!! But hey ! everything is random! Hey but Helena, there is not only uber weapon that loot in that game, someone also looted Mod Shadow a few months before !!! who is it??*****

Oh at least, they did something good that year, they removed the "everyone can win" they wrote on last year halloween mayhem.

So yeah Jenna, i feel exactly like u do. U had not a chance on top 3, i had not a chance, but we were both dumb enough to still go in and believe that someday, Mindark events would be something else than "prize donation".
 
helena said:
There is no luck in there. You are a "chosen" or you are not as i have sayd many times.

The fact that Linzey won the 3 Halloween mayhem in 3 years (because last year he was shared with stryker with term t9 and then 10) even without terminator that year just mean its all preset.

Just look on last 3 uber weapons looted in WHOLE entropia universe last 6 months ( Perfected Tegretov, BL 1950, Skildek Exterminator) and guess who looted them?*****!! But hey ! everything is random! Hey but Helena, there is not only uber weapon that loot in that game, someone also looted Mod Shadow a few months before !!! who is it??*****
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in theory, I would disagree...

But the facts don't lie, there is a very obvious pattern, can't deny that! :scratch2:
 
Tycoon said:
in theory, I would disagree...

But the facts don't lie, there is a very obvious pattern, can't deny that! :scratch2:
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People can look to my comparably low skills to the ubers commenting here, but low skills or not, I've been playing this game since the end of 2002, longer than most, and I've seen this statistically impossible "luck" behavior, "fortunate ones", and so on time and time again ad infinitum over the years. I don't need loot logs to recognize what I'm seeing, and it's great to have uber hunters validate my observations...and my signature.

I gave up last Halloween Mayhem too, after getting piss-poor loots after 3 instances, I couldn't afford the loss and I already knew I was the PED-feed for the "fortunates"; same thing this year. I gave it 3 instances and over 3 hours of brainless shooting (because I twice auto-exited the instances by accidentally passing too close to the exit), not a single global, not a single item.

Same goes for crafting. Of all the people who must be crafting EP's on any given night, you only see less than a handful of names repeatedly globaling & HOF'ing. Maybe only 3 or 4 "fortunates" among the...what...dozens? Scores? That would never happen in a casino. Period.
 
They need to sort this out. Coincidences do not happen year after year. This is starting to have a really bad smell about it.

I do not believe we are all created equal here.

This can only go one way and that is the demise of the game. Without confidence people will stop playing. We need to know that the system is fair and fair for all - not just the chosen few.
 
considering the vamp always looted at least one pumpkin... the players who bought the most essences are probably the ones at the top of the board.. and they also probably spent/lost near the value of the top prizes in order to get there.

There has to be some luck or else biggest dps and highest skilled would win. If that were the case why bother competing?
 
gwit said:
I do not believe we are all created equal here.
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We are all created equal, but some are more equal than others! :silly2:
 
Rocket192 said:
considering the vamp always looted at least one pumpkin... the players who bought the most essences are probably the ones at the top of the board.. and they also probably spent/lost near the value of the top prizes in order to get there.

There has to be some luck or else biggest dps and highest skilled would win. If that were the case why bother competing?
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I'm guessing that this was the most efficient method for points and they knew that and they took advantage of it. Not the people's fault.. just very lazy/bad design.
 
Rocket192 said:
considering the vamp always looted at least one pumpkin... the players who bought the most essences are probably the ones at the top of the board.. and they also probably spent/lost near the value of the top prizes in order to get there.

There has to be some luck or else biggest dps and highest skilled would win. If that were the case why bother competing?
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atomicstorm said:
I'm guessing that this was the most efficient method for points and they knew that and they took advantage of it. Not the people's fault.. just very lazy/bad design.
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That is BS....sidXX bought more than anyone and look how shitty his points are. I know many others that bought almost as many and they didnt get shit either.

I bought over 200 and all it did was make my average points go down.

Neither of you did enough to know, so your all just assumming.

The points Linzey got were on normal mobs, dropped at a rate WAY fn higher than anyone else was allowed by MA.
 
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helena said:
Its very rare that i agree with Jenna Mercury

But all that have been said, i more than agree on what is sayd about luck

there is no luck in there. You are a "chosen" or you are not as i have sayd many times.

The fact that Linzey won the 3 Halloween mayhem in 3 years (because last year he was shared with stryker with term t9 and then 10) even without terminator that year just mean its all preset.

This is complete bullshit - i got exactly the same returns the 3 halloween mayhems, my points just go up of X% becoz my dps go up of x%

I sayd before the event start "congratulation Linzey" and the fact he won one more time just show what we all see since a long time - there is nothing random in EU

There is a LOT more that can be sayd about people that get mindark "favors" repetivly but just fuck it. Keep watching that bullshit year after year. And keep wondering why this game dont attract more people or make almost every new players give up after a few days.

Keep asking yourself why 90% of active players dont even play the events anymore because they know what is going to happen.

Just look on last 3 uber weapons looted in WHOLE entropia universe last 6 months ( Perfected Tegretov, BL 1950, Skildek Exterminator) and guess who looted them?*****!! But hey ! everything is random! Hey but Helena, there is not only uber weapon that loot in that game, someone also looted Mod Shadow a few months before !!! who is it??*****

Oh at least, they did something good that year, they removed the "everyone can win" they wrote on last year halloween mayhem.

So yeah Jenna, i feel exactly like u do. U had not a chance on top 3, i had not a chance, but we were both dumb enough to still go in and believe that someday, Mindark events would be something else than "prize donation".
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I agree all that 100% sure.... it just so true, some just get all "nice items". luck hmm.. cant be allways same guys all luck or can be, seems so :(
 
helena said:
Its very rare that i agree with Jenna Mercury

But all that have been said, i more than agree on what is sayd about luck

there is no luck in there. You are a "chosen" or you are not as i have sayd many times.

The fact that Linzey won the 3 Halloween mayhem in 3 years (because last year he was shared with stryker with term t9 and then 10) even without terminator that year just mean its all preset.

This is complete bullshit - i got exactly the same returns the 3 halloween mayhems, my points just go up of X% becoz my dps go up of x%

I sayd before the event start "congratulation Linzey" and the fact he won one more time just show what we all see since a long time - there is nothing random in EU

There is a LOT more that can be sayd about people that get mindark "favors" repetivly but just fuck it. Keep watching that bullshit year after year. And keep wondering why this game dont attract more people or make almost every new players give up after a few days.

Keep asking yourself why 90% of active players dont even play the events anymore because they know what is going to happen.

Just look on last 3 uber weapons looted in WHOLE entropia universe last 6 months ( Perfected Tegretov, BL 1950, Skildek Exterminator) and guess who looted them?*****!! But hey ! everything is random! Hey but Helena, there is not only uber weapon that loot in that game, someone also looted Mod Shadow a few months before !!! who is it??*****

Oh at least, they did something good that year, they removed the "everyone can win" they wrote on last year halloween mayhem.

So yeah Jenna, i feel exactly like u do. U had not a chance on top 3, i had not a chance, but we were both dumb enough to still go in and believe that someday, Mindark events would be something else than "prize donation".
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This however is so true.

And MA has no idea how many people are sick of this BS.

They will.
 
All I can say is I feel sorry for those who I know cycled a large amount of pedi with very high dos only to be shafted the same people who seem to win everything from events, rare items and uber loots.

I find it difficult to understand why MA feels they can sit by and continue to sprout the 'dynamic' response when I am sure by now the evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt that it is anything but dynamic.

To those in the legal field, is there any legal avenues that can be pursued to get to get any form of documentation that can be used to force MA to disclose just how much these 'special' avatars have taken from the general EU population over the years?
 
gwit said:
They need to sort this out. Coincidences do not happen year after year. This is starting to have a really bad smell about it.

I do not believe we are all created equal here.

This can only go one way and that is the demise of the game. Without confidence people will stop playing. We need to know that the system is fair and fair for all - not just the chosen few.
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One way to try fix it would be you place in the top 10 you cant take part again.

and yes I know this will never happen :D
 
Seregi said:
All I can say is I feel sorry for those who I know cycled a large amount of pedi with very high dos only to be shafted the same people who seem to win everything from events, rare items and uber loots.

I find it difficult to understand why MA feels they can sit by and continue to sprout the 'dynamic' response when I am sure by now the evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt that it is anything but dynamic.

To those in the legal field, is there any legal avenues that can be pursued to get to get any form of documentation that can be used to force MA to disclose just how much these 'special' avatars have taken from the general EU population over the years?
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In Sweden? Fat chance my friend.

You would need a damage and a cause of action first though. You could go with conspiracy to defraud, but that's a criminal action and highly improbable such an action would succeed without some sort of proof to survive the Swedish equivalent of summary judgment.

In short: Proof of damage (ie. MA withheld what you believe is rightfully yours, aka Mayhem rewards), at least one overt act, and lastly an intent to conspire.

Prove that and have it all conform to Swedish criminal law and you might have a chance.

But as in many cases in the U.S. such as Ashcroft v. Iqbal (U.S. government held the only proof as "classified", subpoena for the information was not permitted under discovery because of lack of a substantial claim) when MA is the only holder of any information that you could possibly use to establish a factual claim... You're not going to get anywhere.

Summary:
1) Need at least some proof to establish a factual claim that a court would consider in order to require MA to disclose any further information for the sake of the lawsuit
2) Need the aspects of conspiracy to defraud to actually exist and match those of the U.S. (under facts I've given)
3) Need the discovery process to be remotely consistent with the process described above, if not even more lenient, which I doubt.
4) You need buku bucks because this would likely run up a hefty bill in litigation fees with no guarantees of getting anything back.

**But since MA conducts business in the U.S. it is possible to bring a civil action against them, but I'm not versed well enough in that to give any advice.


All of this = You are screwed, so suck it up or hope MA does something about the public displeasure (which I doubt will happen).
 
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