Andy's mining log

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Andrey Andy Russian
Hello all!

Let me show you how should look a true mining log :laugh:
I'm not sure that I will fill this log indefinitely.
Various events such as my illness, my death, and my laziness can create holes in it or stop it.

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Possible terms:
MU - markup (paid or recieved)
Relative MU - MU, based on long term return and calculated on 90% TT return
Turnover - TT turnover, ignores paid MU, includes probes, finder decay, amp decay and enhancers TT value
Uncompensated costs - excavation and refining tools decay
Weekly result - profit or loss (weekly)
Overall return - summary profit or loss
Overall MU - average MU of loot, including auction fees
Withdraw amount - possible amount to withdraw in described week, based on 90% TT long term return. It may be negative (loss) with a positive overall return, and vice versa.

Tools:
- Terramaster 8 Gold Rush T2 (with/without enhancers) or Terramaster 3 Gold Rush (without enhancers).
- Another finders (but they used very-very rare - MD-10 or MD-40)
- Level 1 Finder Amplifier UL
- Adjusted Genesis Star Excavator T1 (with enhancers)
- Chikara Refiner MR400 (little better than T-105, little worse than Adjusted)
- My time
- My money

Frequency of the updates - once a week

Places: Arkadia and Calypso, no red PvP, only planetside (maybe when Igni will rise up to 200% again, then will be Underground sometimes)

My standard mining run: 300 single attempts (1,25 PED each), this means 375 PED in probes and amp decay, additional decay may be ~15 PED for TM8 or ~10 PED for TM3, for each mining run.

I never use any tools like Little Big Mining Log, or mining maps, except my own Navigator ingame and my knowledge

I do all calculations in my secret Excel files :cool:

Here will be no screenshots with HoF's, which show exactly where I do my mining runs, but I believe that those who are interested, already know these places.

You can ask me any questions, but I do not promise you that I will answer with the utmost honesty, if your questions will relate to the secrets of the mining profession

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Overall:

Turnover: 41269,29 PED

TT return: 94,78%

TT loss: -2052,11 PED

Profit / loss : 4227,42 PED

Overall relative MU: 117,76%

Ubers (more than 1000 PED HoF's): 4
 
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Reserved for future use
 
Show us how it is all done ;)
 
27-NOV-2015 - 03-DEC-2015

Turnover = 7432,53 PED
TT return = 97,94%
Recieved MU = 1301,55 PED
Relative MU = 119,46%

Weekly result = 1091,71 PED

Withdraw amount = 558,30 PED
 
Subbed! Good luck on your log. :)
 
Now it's time to continue... ;)

04-DEC-2015 - 10-DEC-2015

Turnover = 8978,01 PED

Total 23 runs (6908 attempts, not round 8=3+5 - this was mistake drops, they also calculated), Calypso and Arkadia

TT return = 96,42%
Recieved MU = 1521,64 PED
Relative MU = 118,83%

Weekly result = 1148,15 PED

Possible withdraw amount = 623,84 PED

1 Uber and 1 SOOTO (Hansidian Rock) this week

Overall:

Turnover: 16410,54 PED

TT return: 97,11%

Profit / loss : 2239,86 PED

Overall relative MU: 119,12%

Ubers (more than 1000 PED HoF's): 2
 
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Good luck. Low amp mining would put me into a coma and ul big amp mining made me almost bankrupt. :)
 
Good luck. Low amp mining would put me into a coma and ul big amp mining made me almost bankrupt. :)

Thank you! They are two sides of mining, and it is a completely different side of the Force, Luke :laugh:
 
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How is this relative MU worked out? :confused:

It is the ratio of received MU to 90% return (something like 'normalized score')
It is just (received MU/turnover-10%)*100

Explanation:
Let it be 1000 PED turnover - 100 PED (MA fee) = 900 PED basic return (90%)
If we recieved 200 PED MU, it will be 200/900*100=22,222% or 122,22% as showed on auction

Withdraw amount = pure MU, not a working capital, it calculated for 90% return after all expenses and fees paid

For 'zero' (or just for skilling) mining, you'll need atleast 111,11% relative MU (unamped with UL finder, or amped with both UL amp+finder)
 
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subscribed, gl with mining)
 
Subbed and gl out der :)
 
Gl with this... I know how well this UL TM8 is, while amps can burn in Hell :D
 
Thank you all,

Regarding Hell (If you mean RT Hell). This week I had runs in the Arkadia Underground (3 runs), and I got a significant decrease in MU. It would be better if I'll stop these experiments.
 
Regarding Hell (If you mean RT Hell). This week I had runs in the Arkadia Underground (3 runs), and I got a significant decrease in MU. It would be better if I'll stop these experiments.

IMO this week has been rough for mining all around.
 
IMO this week has been rough for mining all around.

I'm not sure in what you're saying ;)

My best multiplier (about 1:325) with TM8/Level 1 Amp was this week (today):

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My mining has been pretty normal this week also. I'm seeing the usual pattern lose 3-4 runs HOF back up. Gz on the Uber, Andy... nice one. :cool:
 
Now again the time for update!

11-DEC-2015 - 17-DEC-2015

Turnover = 7550,44 PED

Total 20 runs (5800 attempts, one run was partial, only 100 drops), 16 runs Calypso and Arkadia, and 4 runs in Arkadia Underground, these 4 runs caused to significant MU decrease!

TT return = 100,59%
Recieved MU = 1161,53 PED
Relative MU = 117,09%

Weekly result = 1247,53 PED

Possible withdraw amount = 406,49 PED

1 Uber this week (posted above)

Overall:

Turnover: 23960,98 PED

TT return: 98,23%

Profit / loss : 3487,39 PED

Overall relative MU: 118,48%

Ubers (more than 1000 PED HoF's): 3
 
Overall:

Turnover: 23960,98 PED

TT return: 98,23%

Profit / loss : 3487,39 PED

Overall relative MU: 118,48%

Ubers (more than 1000 PED HoF's): 3


Very nice! You are obviously doing something right. :wtg:
 
Very nice! You are obviously doing something right. :wtg:

Someone has already written today, that I am a friend of MA or exploiter. If my knowledge is exploit, I agree :laugh:

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For those who do not want to search:
Latest results (17 DEC 2015) - here!
 
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Wow, really m8, you cycle 20k (!!!) ped and get 3x HOF over 1k ped (with L1 amp? - feels impossible after turning over a million, doing 3-7ped clicks on hunting/mining not getting anything over 600ish ped)..


Then you go around the forum telling people how they dont know how to mine yadi yada, while your only real interest is obviously an attempt on defending the value your investment in the UL mining gear you have here...

I advise you to tone down your aggressive forum posts with all the - you are all idiots - you don't know how you must play the game etc. because people are losing respect they had for you (you've done really well with your shops!)


GL with the log, be gratefull as it seems you have one of those avatars which can still hit high, good loots while doing tiny clicks, I'm sure you'll be allright.....:lolup:
 
First of all, thank you :) But...

Then you go around the forum telling people how they dont know how to mine yadi yada, while your only real interest is obviously an attempt on defending the value your investment in the UL mining gear you have here...
I advise you to tone down your aggressive forum posts with all the - you are all idiots - you don't know how you must play the game etc. because people are losing respect they had for you (you've done really well with your shops!)

Why? In fact there are certain reasons, and my investment items are not important because they are not worth a large sum (~25k is not a big sum IMO). And I never said 'you are idiots', I said 'loosers' and 'you (they) don't know how to play'
I have already said in another topic that I just know how to play (in all professions). My records over the past year show that in hunting I got only 2500-2600 PED profit for whole year, I don't like this result, therefore I sold out all hunting gear and turned to mining. I definitely can say that you can earn in the game in every profession...if you know how. If you're smart enough, and you know where and how to play, and count your results.
I do not want to share this knowledge with everyone, it's completely devalue it, but I'm just trying to give people the opportunity to reflect on how they play.

You also noticed only my HoF's. But HoF's are not important part of the game, you missed an important line in my log. This is also indirectly telling me that you (perhaps) have the wrong strategy.
 
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I agree with Andy that HOFs are not the thing to note when it comes to mining, any profession for that matter. All they do is give you a PED pillow to keep going, in my experience the +TT always evaporates eventually. It's what you choose to do with the extra cycle PEDs that will make a difference in the end. :cool:
 
I have already said in another topic that I just know how to play (in all professions). My records over the past year show that in hunting I got only 2500-2600 PED profit for whole year, I don't like this result, therefore I sold out all hunting gear and turned to mining. I definitely can say that you can earn in the game in every profession...if you know how. If you're smart enough, and you know where and how to play, and count your results.
I do not want to share this knowledge with everyone, it's completely devalue it, but I'm just trying to give people the opportunity to reflect on how they play.

i have to agree here.
sharing knowledge is very dangerous, sometimes one other player doing the same but undercutting can destroy the whole situation...
 
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You also noticed only my HoF's. But HoF's are not important part of the game, you missed an important line in my log. This is also indirectly telling me that you (perhaps) have the wrong strategy.

You also noticed in my post that I noticed your HoF's...didnt want to go full on that but let's just say, with 98% TT return, yes - you can do well in mining as you are, hitting big loots all the way, I see your EL page,... :)

BUT

You see,...when you cycle a mill and get not 1 not 2, not 3, not 10 but NONE loots over 1k, as you did in 20k cycled, you are also NOT at 98% TT (if you think otherwise, you're a fool), but rather in this certain case 72% TT return to be exact.

Apply your average markup to ~70% return and then talk about profit, my friend..

Thats all there is to my noticing of your HoF's, I am well aware of the concept of making profit in a 90% return environment,...but when that stops being the case,...there are no area's, no special finder+amp combo u can use said area's to make 132,5+% (just using L5 amp & 70% here for example)....


That's why I'm saying that please restrain yourself from these wild accusations that players are incompotent, when in fact - many of them are not, but just dont have that avatar luck slider set to quantity, nor condition - but instead - "payoff others off your ped cycling" option...
 
I agree that Andy tends to come across as a bit condescending, but I don't think it's intentional. I just read everything he writes in a thick Russian accent and then it makes sense.


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My 98% return is now caused only from the very short period of time (3 weeks of log). It will be lower (about 90% - check Eve Damsel Online logs and more others). I also looked in your EL account and make sure that you play EU as casino (you can see it on your page 'Crafting Globals'). With this approach, it's surprising me how you get not only 72% return, IMO you must got 72% losses! I have no more desire to argue with you, because you are playing with Explo IV BP - and I'm sure, that you're a looser (all EP IV BP players are loosers IMO) and did not know how to play this game.

For all others (who are not EP IV gamblers) - it is possible to reach same results as me, in EU is enough places with ores/enmatters with high average MU. And you do not need to buy TM8 Gold Rush. Just take your patience and knowledge.
 
I agree that Andy tends to come across as a bit condescending, but I don't think it's intentional. I just read everything he writes in a thick Russian accent and then it makes sense.


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With more appropriate background (and apologies to late Alexei Savrasov):

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(a bit crudely airbrushed - my image tools are on another partition and I'm too lazy to reboot :))
 
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