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Gewitter

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Hello!

I'm intersted, which maximum multiplier is possible now in mining after 2012.

How to calculate your multiplier:

Panetside: (price of drop) X 3,3 X multiplier = your result,
where price of drop is TT value of your attempt, including TT of amp decay and probes
Example, Terramaster 3 Gold Rush + Level 5 Amp: ((1 PED (ore) + 2 PED (amp decay))x3,3xmultiplier=990 PED
Multiplier = 990/9,9=100

F.O.M.A: (price of drop) X 3,3 X 5 X multiplier = your result,
where 5 - additional multiplier for indoor mining.

My results (bolded - multipliers):

In 2012 (before 'modified loot'):
1 PED (unamped ore) x 3,3 x 2009 = 6632

Current (after 'modified loot')
Arkadia Underground: (3 PED(B40(enmatter))+Level 5) x 3,3 x 5 x 301 = 14943 PED
Planetside: (1,25(ore)+level 1 Amp) x 3,3 x 323 = 1332 PED

Someone had more than 1000?
 
Depends on whether you count finder decay or not. :)

984x/1004x (1004 PED Yellow Crystal w/ F-105 and Level 2 Light (L) = 1.00/1.0205 PED in) on November 12, 2015.

My last unambiguous 1000x+ was in April 2015;
the highest (1555x without finder decay) in June 2014;
I know from fairly reliable souces of a 2537x multiplier in December 2014.
 
Haruto Rat said:
Depends on whether you count finder decay or not. :)

984x/1004x (1004 PED Yellow Crystal w/ F-105 and Level 2 Light (L) = 1.00/1.0205 PED in) on November 12, 2015.

My last unambiguous 1000x+ was in April 2015;
the highest (1555x without finder decay) in June 2014;
I know from fairly reliable souces of a 2537x multiplier in December 2014.
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1004 PED = 1 X 3,3 x 304 (without decay of course, almost low value), multiplier is only 304, where 0,5 PED is probes for enmatter and 0,5 PED - decay of amp
 
What does this 3.3 mean?

I thought multiplier meant Output tt/input tt. (and on indoor mining yes 5 might be right)
 
Gewitter said:
My results (bolded - multipliers):

In 2012 (before 'modified loot'):
1 PED (unamped ore) x 3,3 x 2009 = 6632
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Idk where did u get those numbers, but before mod loot max multiplier was ~13.6k planetside and i remember someone hittin 60k+ unamped at foma
 
whiteknut said:
What does this 3.3 mean?

I thought multiplier meant Output tt/input tt. (and on indoor mining yes 5 might be right)
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3,3 is your hitrate in mining. When you do attempts, you will recieve only 33% claims, of course with ~3,3 multiplier.
Example: 1,25 - NRF, 1,25 - NRF, 1,25 - 4+ PED claim (without any additional multiplier)
 
Gewitter said:
3,3 is your hitrate in mining. When you do attempts, you will recieve only 33% claims, of course with ~3,3 multiplier.
Example: 1,25 - NRF, 1,25 - NRF, 1,25 - 4+ PED claim (without any additional multiplier)
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Hitrate shouldnt be added to maximum possible multiplier calculations. (as every drop is separate occasion).


Thus hitrate should only be calculated on this specific drop. So for 1ped bomb drop that gives out 1k ped loot (multiplier is 1000 and not 333.).
 
Gewitter said:
3,3 is your hitrate in mining. When you do attempts, you will recieve only 33% claims, of course with ~3,3 multiplier.
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That's an assumption. It's most likely neither 33%, nor the same across the universe, nor constant in time.

We know pretty well the average crafting success rate is not constant in time (btw, it's back up around 35% these days), why would mining hit rate be constant?
 
Haruto Rat said:
That's an assumption. It's most likely neither 33%, nor the same across the universe, nor constant in time.

We know pretty well the average crafting success rate is not constant in time (btw, it's back up around 35% these days), why would mining hit rate be constant?
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Yup and also this 35% is not added to multiplier calculations either. It is always Output tt divided by input tt
 
whiteknut said:
Hitrate shouldnt be added to maximum possible multiplier calculations. (as every drop is separate occasion).


Thus hitrate should only be calculated on this specific drop. So for 1ped bomb drop that gives out 1k ped loot (multiplier is 1000 and not 333.).
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It is a moot point, anyway, I do my calculations, given the hitrate.
Hunting: Almost each mob contain loot, base hitrate 1
Mining: 3,3
Manufacturing: variable, from 1 (quantity) to 8 (condition)

Piotr said:
Idk where did u get those numbers, but before mod loot max multiplier was ~13.6k planetside and i remember someone hittin 60k+ unamped at foma
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13600 was unamped? Ore or enmatter?
 
Gewitter said:
Manufacturing: variable, from 1 (quantity) to 8 (condition)
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Probably not constant either. Haven't crafted on condition since the introduction of explosives but the ratio used to be about 7.4 as measured by the minimum success (e.g. 37 PEC on basic filters on full condition).
 
Haruto Rat said:
Probably not constant either. Haven't crafted on condition since the introduction of explosives but the ratio used to be about 7.4 as measured by the minimum success (e.g. 37 PEC on basic filters on full condition).
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The point is that to calculate the multipliers do not need quite exact digits. I'm curious to see whether I can get now a multiplier of 1000 or more.
Max I seen was ~550 in manufacturing (14 PED click / 7800 result on quantity)
 
I thought the max multiplier was something in the x10000 range without fluke abnormal hits.
 
Gewitter said:
It is a moot point, anyway, I do my calculations, given the hitrate.
Hunting: Almost each mob contain loot, base hitrate 1
Mining: 3,3
Manufacturing: variable, from 1 (quantity) to 8 (condition)



13600 was unamped? Ore or enmatter?
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13k ore 6k enmat
 
ok, what about 5k ores in underground with 106 finder no amps (2014)?
This would be a multipler like 3333.3333333 about i did ores and enmatter at same time.
 
trance said:
ok, what about 5k ores in underground with 106 finder no amps (2014)?
This would be a multipler like 3333.3333333 about i did ores and enmatter at same time.
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5000 = 1 x 3,3 x 5 (indoor) x 303. Just 303 in my formula
 
I understand what Gewitter is getting at. At least I think I do.

The average none multiplied loot in mining is 2.7 x cost of drop. (2.7 is from extensive calculations). Which means on a one ped drop, on AVERAGE you get 2.7 ped back. So in effect the 2.7 (or 3.3 for gewitter) is 100% return with no loot multipler.

If you get double the normal amount. (i.e. x2 multipler), so will find, on AVERAGE, 1 x 2.7 x 2 = 5.4 peds (on average)


E.G. no multiplers with level 13 amp you will finder on average 2.7 * 20 * 1 = 56.7 ped.

At least this is what i think he means.



Rgds

Ace
 
Ace, yes it is close to what I mean
 
Max multiplier to date:

217847/3.x=

.x decay of F105 finder.
 
eSoul said:
Max multiplier to date:

217847/3.x=

.x decay of F105 finder.
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This was at HELL if I'm correct, so you must divide on 16,5, multiplier would be ~13200
And this was before MA implemented 'mod' loot.
 
After the mod loot, my best hit on planet side is about 980 (unamp), with lv5 my best is 2.3k, with D-class is 4.5k, so if i'm correct in understanding your calculating method, my multiplier for planetside will be about 300 to 350.

planetside:
unamp: 1 x 3.3 x 300 = 990
amp: 5 x 3.3 x 300 =4650

indoor mining:

I didnt get too many big hits at indoor mining area, the only one i got is 20k iron, D44 finder with lv5 amps, in 2013. D44 used bit more probes, something like 0.2 ped extra if my memory is correct..so thats about a slightly more than a lv7.

Before the mod loot, i hit a couple of 1.3k to 1.5k claims on planetside and a 38k (38325 is the exact number) with lv5.

so unamp is: 3x 3.3 x 3900 = 38610

I didnt hit anything over 2k in old cnd so..not sure the max multiplier but i saw people hit unamped 78k over there.

so..MA may just make the current max multiplier be 1/10 of the old days in mining.
 
So finaly u agree that u cant get more than around ~1400 unamped planet side?

I asked u and others before to show me a hit over 2k or 1.5k unamped and i will give anyone 500 ped for this.

Gl on ur grinding :)
 
TheRock said:
So finaly u agree that u cant get more than around ~1400 unamped planet side?

I asked u and others before to show me a hit over 2k or 1.5k unamped and i will give anyone 500 ped for this.

Gl on ur grinding :)
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I had a 4584 planetside recently level 5 amp, terramaster 6. 1506 if unamped, do I win 500 ped :)?
 
Atlantis said:
I had a 4584 planetside recently level 5 amp, terramaster 6. 1506 if unamped, do I win 500 ped :)?
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Sorry my friend. You did not get the 1500 unamped. You are just saying if which is not correct :)
 
Atlantis said:
I had a 4584 planetside recently level 5 amp, terramaster 6. 1506 if unamped, do I win 500 ped :)?
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4584=(1(if ore)+2(amp))x3,3x463

TheRock said:
So finaly u agree that u cant get more than around ~1400 unamped planet side?

I asked u and others before to show me a hit over 2k or 1.5k unamped and i will give anyone 500 ped for this.

Gl on ur grinding :)
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I think this is possible, but very-very-very rare :)
 
Gewitter said:
4584=(1(if ore)+2(amp))x3,3x463



I think this is possible, but very-very-very rare :)
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Ok, seems you are right, I just confirmed one of my friend hit a 2k lyst unamped about 10 days ago, planetside.

So it is still possible.
 
Biggestglobal said:
Ok, seems you are right, I just confirmed one of my friend hit a 2k lyst unamped about 10 days ago, planetside.

So it is still possible.
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It is about 600х
Good, but not 1000-2000-5000x ;)
 
Planetside
Dsec30 unamp: (2)*3,3*M =5097. So =772

Indoors
Dsec30+ta7: (2+9)*3,3*5*M=54590. So=301

Based on the same turnover per month indoors, in the past 2 months it seems harder to get any multiplier bigger than 50
 
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