To MA's marketing team, if indeed there actually is one.

Hmm so lack of money made those terrible ads we see now, i could make a better banner in paint wearing a blindfold, :)

Or MA could have used their brains and did a competition like before! Let the players submit videos/art for advertising and winner gets some nice item (though people would probably do it for free judging by this thread!)
 
Hmm so lack of money made those terrible ads we see now, i could make a better banner in paint wearing a blindfold, :)

I was thinking on the cost of TV-commercials or more professional Video ads. TV cost a lot of money that they don't have right now.
 
I doubt MA has ever wanted to advertise Entropia otherwise they would already done that.

Firstly the more known Entropia would be the more guys from law/legal/police would look into it and it could be a serious problem so that Entropia should be kept covered as it is. Entropia system seems legal for most of the countries but you know, if someone wanted to investigate and figure something out (taxes, loot distribution, randomness), sooner or later he would manage to do it and papa Entropia.

Secondly the better the product is the less ads it needs. If Entropia was advertised everywhere I would feel there is something wrong and I got caught into a trap. See Apple, have you ever seen any ads? No, their products don't need them and still they got the most sold stuff. Good products get their customers on their owns.
 
I doubt MA has ever wanted to advertise Entropia otherwise they would already done that.

Firstly the more known Entropia would be the more guys from law/legal/police would look into it and it could be a serious problem so that Entropia should be kept covered as it is. Entropia system seems legal for most of the countries but you know, if someone wanted to investigate and figure something out (taxes, loot distribution, randomness), sooner or later he would manage to do it and papa Entropia.

Secondly the better the product is the less ads it needs. If Entropia was advertised everywhere I would feel there is something wrong and I got caught into a trap. See Apple, have you ever seen any ads? No, their products don't need them and still they got the most sold stuff. Good products get their customers on their owns.

Well, Samsung have a lot of commercials and they sell more phones than Apple :D

Sounds a bit stupid argument that a company that want to earn money don't want any attention. I don't buy that argument. It that was the case they should just shut down.....
 
Sounds a bit stupid argument that a company that want to earn money don't want any attention. I don't buy that argument. It that was the case they should just shut down.....
Exactly.
Which also means if EU was actually balancing on the border of being classified as gambling or not, they would take steps to make sure they wouldn't... Instead of introducing Explo BP's with all the materials right outta TT.

Make a search on the internet, who's talking about the Entropia being an illegal gambling? there's only one single source, the players of Entropia.

Speaking from my own personal experience over the years, I started out as a firm believer of Casino-theory. EU = One Big Wicked Casino. Terribly unfair too.
This was what everyone was speaking and my experiences seemed to confirm it too.

Then the time came when I started to log my results, started to use my own head to analyze the results I saw there... and soon I realized there's no casino whatsoever. On the grassroot level there's lots of randomness, lot of fizzling.
It's like when u boil the water for your tea. If u interested u can spend lot of time to investigate all the intricacies of the boiling process. U can scrutinize each tiny bubble of hot steam, measure it's diameter and the exact temperature.

If u are experienced player u don't care about that any more. U will enjoy your tea instead... and leave the fairytales for the noobs. :smoke:
 
I doubt MA has ever wanted to advertise Entropia otherwise they would already done that.

Firstly the more known Entropia would be the more guys from law/legal/police would look into it and it could be a serious problem so that Entropia should be kept covered as it is. Entropia system seems legal for most of the countries but you know, if someone wanted to investigate and figure something out (taxes, loot distribution, randomness), sooner or later he would manage to do it and papa Entropia.

Secondly the better the product is the less ads it needs. If Entropia was advertised everywhere I would feel there is something wrong and I got caught into a trap. See Apple, have you ever seen any ads? No, their products don't need them and still they got the most sold stuff. Good products get their customers on their owns.


Why would Mind Ark boldly invite a large public figure head like Warren Buffet through PR Press Releases, if they were concerned over legality matters of the games structure.
 
Why would Mind Ark boldly invite a large public figure head like Warren Buffet through PR Press Releases, if they were concerned over legality matters of the games structure.

Because they know he will never get the invitation.

I could have my marketing folks invite Warren Buffet to get involved too and get the same result.
 
Because they know he will never get the invitation.

I could have my marketing folks invite Warren Buffet to get involved too and get the same result.

The point is, that is not the action of a company wanting to keep quiet.


Rgds

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I really hope this thread doesnt degenerate into, "This is a casino."

IT IS NOT A CASINO.

The ONLY people that call this game gambling, are those that lose.

People lose in real life all the bloody time, bad investments, all are gambling to a degree, but it doesnt make it a f**king casino.

Can we move on please. MA obviously do NOT want to keep this game quiet. That is idiocy, they do promote this game, just not a lot and badly. MA employees go on inteviews. Their whole business relies on people playing.....

MA want to keep quite......stupid.

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EDIT: that's not to mention compets, which will have entropia universe plastered over it, accessable to over a billion people.....yeah, they want to keep quiet!!!!!!!!!!
 
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You're right, they dont want to keep quiet. I completely agree there.

The marketing campaign though I think is aimed more at customer retention. Some acquisition happens, but I think MA has elected to be careful who comes onboard because there is a serious risk of negative results long term were they to appeal to folks on a massive scale.

Why?

Well, simply put the newcomer experience is not diverse enough to keep low paying and non paying members from viewing the game negatively. Without the ability to entertain that segment properly, they will face, once again, a large host of players who are instantly alienated, and in true gamer fashion very eager to tell their friends (and anyone else who will listen) how much the game sucks.

I am however very concerned that they have put product development on a back seat, favoring Compet. When a business diversifies it must be very careful that it does not make a play that ultimately will threaten to shift the entire focus of business. I see that play as already being made here.

Compet should have been done 6 months ago, if not longer ago. Assets remain undeveloped, and the main product is slipping back technologically. While other games put out dynamic weather, families, and deep social structures, Mindark continues to use the dated society interface, simplistic combat models, and struggles to keep an engaging storyline.

Entropia Universe needs some serious attention, right now, if it is going to remain competitive. The double edged sword MA is dealing with (I believe) is that they need a fresh infusion of cash to pay for that development, but advertising is actually a very risky way of getting that infusion.

Compet is their answer. It's a way to advertise and get money into EU while only passively involving Entropia itself. It's very risky though. If it fails it will take more of the current playerbase along with it. I do not believe MA currently has the staff needed to give both products the required attention. An MMO needs constant updates or it becomes stale quickly. MMO's are virtual reality. Your competitor is always trying to make their next product feel more real than yours. You need to keep up with that, if your product is meant to be long term, or your product will fail for no better reason then it became antiquated and unappealing. A mobile app may seem like a very simple deal, but if its meant to provide regular infusions of money and not just be a one shot deal, its also going to need regular updates and expansions. It will need to keep up with growing mobile technology.

Does anyone here think MA has the capacity to do both tasks right now?

I also think the President of Virtual Reality is a low budget PR stunt meant to get EU attention indirectly. It wont be taken seriously though if there is not buy in from entities outside of Entropia Universe. Listing Planet Partners is not good enough.
 
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I don't think that MA is trying to hide the game, they do want to main player they just not up to task. If you step back and look at game its no where near its true potential. Now we have 6 planets only Caly and Ark has covered for most professions. I don't know much about other planets as I spend most of my game time on RT. Even though I love the planet its frustrates me to hell how underdeveloped it still is. Its over 5 years old and still don't have the basic stuff to become a independent planet. I have asked many times ND about mining finders and he keeps saying that MA is the problem. I know its not just RT that has problems, but other planets too. I really think MA should help PP get their planet to certain stage too. Space is another problem how can you sell space the way it is, the majority who use it fly afk for half hour between planets. It has so much potential, but its boring as hell. Com pets seem to be taking for ever to make, I am no IT expert, but should it take this long? They need fresh blood to make this game live up to what it should be, maybe some out side help how take on certain areas like space. Maybe that's what the whole idea of VA present is going to be to get out side help to manage certain areas. I don't think this game is ready for big publicity yet.
 
Okay, so I unfairly ranted last night.

I just find it very frustrating.


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With that ad I saw I think they aim a specific category of customers :laugh:
 
See Apple, have you ever seen any ads? No, their products don't need them and still they got the most sold stuff. Good products get their customers on their owns.

LOL

I see a lot TV adverts from apple in my country and they surely need it, as their product is not that good than they think it is.

Not many people I know RL use something from apple.
They better would produce foods than electronics, applejuice maybe :D
 
LOL

I see a lot TV adverts from apple in my country and they surely need it, as their product is not that good than they think it is.

Not many people I know RL use something from apple.
They better would produce foods than electronics, applejuice maybe :D

I see Apple ads all over the place. I work here in the US, in Silicon Valley, in a tech job, at a tech company. I also see many people using ios devices. A lot of my co-workers use ios devices. Some of them carry android devices in addition to their ios device since the company requires them to carry a cell phone for business purposes and the company buys android phones because they are cheaper, not that they are necessarily better. A lot of those people prefer their ios devices if they had a choice. Some say they like their android device because they feel like they can tinker with it more. A lot of people who use ios don't care to tinker with their ios device, they just want something that works, and works with everything else they have. This is my situation. I deal with technology all day, I don't want to fuck around with it when I get home, I just want to log into PE and play. Most, like me, can afford, and are willing to pay for that convenience. Other's will stretch their budget to buy ios because they see a value in that. A lot of people I see that are purely looking at the price because they are on a tight budget often go with the less expensive android options. Some people like those really big android Note phones. The good news is there is something for everyone! Nobody is forcing anyone into one ecosystem. This is just my observations.
 
Guys,
maybe a very light version of Entropia Universe for Android (and not ComPet) will be the solution.
Not much ad needed, just a good reliable Unity version that can give you 4+ stars and pffff you can have a million depositors in few weeks.
But MA knows (knows?) better.

Virtual Tycoon is already out there
 
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VT was developed by an third part developer and so is Compet from what Kim has said in the past.

I can't see them letting a third part access to their loot code and Anrdoid games aren't exactly hard to hack, seen plenty of infinite donut / clam versions of games.
 
MA can do all the advertise in the world,it won't matter! Yeah,you make some people join,but when they see the returns....this is supposed to be an RCE after all,and that will make people try it and stay here,because when it comes to gameplay,EU is WAY behing most of online games.
Hunting is just shoot,shoot,shoot or hit the autoclick...mining is running arround hitting a button which drops a probe into the ground...crafting is an autoclick machine,PVP is all about who has the best gear,HP and dodge(no personal skills involved,such as using this combo,or that combo,but hell,you can't make a combo when shooting just means a click with a target on a player...haven't found a game to mach Eve or Anarchy Online when it comes to pvp).If that is appealing gameplay,then it means i don't understand gameplay and having fun in online games.
The only reason people will join EU will be for the RCE(if i hear people again about socializing and having fun in here...alot of social networks for people who can't handle socializing with other people face to face and i allready wrote about how fun is the game) and when they see the returns,they will run...you join EU because you want to try to do some cash while playing an online game.....if they would boost that up,players will spread the word out very fast!
Just my 2 cents.
 
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