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Petition to remove Explosive BPs (or change them) - Part 2

Yep add me to.

Like has been mentioned 3 ATH's in two weeks is just crazy lol, way things are headed will be all expl clks and EU will be EP IV Universe. :D
 
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My personal opinion

Mindark needs to introduce (L) items actually worth crafting and overhaul loot tables to make crafting more appealing. Currently both hunters and miners have little to no need for crafters.

The economy feels dead. Whatever life it may appear to have is extremely superficial. In reality there is little to no demand for anything aside from UL gear, enhancers and (L) mining amps.

Mindark is focusing on attracting/recycling more players (by marketing, refining/adding content, bug fixes) who will theoretically give the economy a superficial boost. I say "recycling" because as new players are coming in, more players are leaving.

This economy is not built to handle growth from a sustainability standpoint. It seems they are putting very little effort into creating a functioning organic economy (ie: a balance of supply and demand).

From a development standpoint, it feels like Mindark's design philosophy has shifted. EU is no longer a virtual universe. It's just a game. I wonder if they have recently sought counsel from any professional economists? I doubt it. Maybe they did years ago, but nowadays they seem to be content with shared loot events, Christmas Mayhem and Explo Gamblers.

As long as Mindark keeps pushing out events and content to attract players and keep them logging in and spending money, EU will scrape by. But it continues to shift more and more towards nothing but a gambling game with a loose sci-fi theme, despite Bertha Bot's best attempts.

This is why people hate Explosive Crafting. Not so much because "removing it" will "fix the economy". But because it's indicative of a much, much larger issue. The progressive death of our economy, and the impending doom of our virtual universe.
 
Guess in the last month MA have made a few new IV crafters atleast :p

Time to introduce "rent a hunting bot" MA? =P
 
ZPF said:
This is why people hate Explosive Crafting. Not so much because "removing it" will "fix the economy". But because it's indicative of a much, much larger issue. The progressive death of our economy, and the impending doom of our virtual universe.
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Grinding missions didn't help, (L) with huge tt value didn't help and the repeated screwing with the loot system to cope with those two changes didn't help. However they were still welcomed by most of the players with open arms.

A lot of things have gone into screwing the economy the ebp is just the least welcomed by the players.
 
Add me please
 
sign me up for this list
 
Exhibit A - A forum petition that has been running for a long long time and has collected 250 signatures: no response.

Exhibit B - A forum whine thread about the 'unfairness' and 'exploit' (which isn't really an exploit at all) of the Earthshock armor: armor is immediately pulled.


What motivates MA is always glaringly clear. No response, no action, no bananas given.
 
I remember when they removed the triple bombing on last probe....really really fast.
 
Me Really Never said:
isnt doing ep1 on quantity highly unprofitable as every random return roll below 1 pec is a failed attempt thus resulting in roughly 60% returns? condition barely works though
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no


[EDIT]: too few letters in post
 
Lefty said:
no


[EDIT]: too few letters in post
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well you may say that but my obervation after 150k clicks shows that the return per 1.5k clicks varys mostly between 60 and 70%. and pretty much everyone else who keeps statistics of this says the same...
 
Can we still get on the list? If so, please add me to it!
 
Just looking back in my logs and notice that our Explosive Projectiles blueprint is a 2 years old on this very same month!

As well, here on Arkadia while online I have found that I have 192,143 EP globals listed. The only way we can get MA to listen is to simply stop using them otherwise as you can read by the numbers here on - Arkadia - I don't think MA will be turning them off anytime soon :(
 
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It was argued somewhere that big EP isolated the gamblers from the rest and that this was actually a smart move. Well it also isolated every other group from each other by removing a big factor in their interdependency, and broke the bonds which were once carefully created. Now almost everybody gets to tt most of their produce instead of benefitting from a lively interchange. The deceptive auction market data only keeps an illusion -- deceptive because they take into account only successful sales and hide the countless expired auctions from public statistics.

It might be superficially rational if this way is better for the company coffers, taking the rake directly instead of indirectly. But it is also short-sighted. They are scavenging on the severed parts of the creature they once carefully raised. Although it is not the first time I've experienced a company started with enthusiasm going down that road.
 
well its obviously that MA wants as little money inside the system EU as possible. Deeds, Plots, Upgrade missions, EP crafting, all those things drain money out of the system. they could do it on another way and keep the mining in the system but how some reason they dont want that. they bleed the game out of peds. and without peds in the system the MU cant be kept up.
 
change the materials for crafting EP

Count me in the petition, Tyrano Trex Rex.
If they dont change the EP blueprints they should remake the whole game and make it into a f***ing slot machine..
God damnit Mindark you fked up
 
San said:
It was argued somewhere that big EP isolated the gamblers from the rest and that this was actually a smart move. Well it also isolated every other group from each other by removing a big factor in their interdependency, and broke the bonds which were once carefully created. Now almost everybody gets to tt most of their produce instead of benefitting from a lively interchange. The deceptive auction market data only keeps an illusion -- deceptive because they take into account only successful sales and hide the countless expired auctions from public statistics.

It might be superficially rational if this way is better for the company coffers, taking the rake directly instead of indirectly. But it is also short-sighted. They are scavenging on the severed parts of the creature they once carefully raised. Although it is not the first time I've experienced a company started with enthusiasm going down that road.
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Im not sure if this will change anything about explosives crafting, but add me...

Madnar VY Starchild
 
Add ME, MA They will never change it because they make money with this BP...
 
Add me please.
Mark Craftmeister Cheepos.

1) Nothing spoils my game more than standing next to a 'gambler' scoring one EP global after another while I go out empty crafting useful items. :mad:
2) So imho useful item crafters are so badly outnumbered that they are actually financing the globals of the EP gamblers.
3)Crafting, mining and hunting should always be balanced as they are all very dependent on each other. EP BP's have seriously disturbed and damaged the 'balance'. If they were created in the first place with for eg: natural + mineral + tt material, PEDS to manufacture them would have been fairly distributed between players with a small tt commission for MA and the loot pool.

Even so I do not think MA will change what has actually become the real 'Cashcow' for them in the game.
 
Add me: Daniel Ninja Kevlie

Remove pure casino from eu!
 
Remove nanocubes and any other component for crafting (enhancers) from trade terminal and replace them with mining/hunting loot.

Signed Naming Policy Violation
 
NPV said:
Remove nanocubes and any other component for crafting (enhancers) from trade terminal and replace them with mining/hunting loot.

Signed Naming Policy Violation
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Oh dear, do people actually know what they are asking here?

You remove nanocubes and replace with markup items. The ONLY thing that happens is people stop clicking them. That's it. They wont magically click something that requires stuff with markup.

When they were introduced, crafting went from 400k a week to 2-6million a week.....only because of EP's. Take that away and it will go back to 400k per week. Probably less, because of the abundance of unlimted weapons, and the abundance of limited guns in hunting loot.

The only reason people click EP's is because of tt materials.

Rgds

Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
Oh dear, do people actually know what they are asking here?

You remove nanocubes and replace with markup items. The ONLY thing that happens is people stop clicking them. That's it. They wont magically click something that requires stuff with markup.

When they were introduced, crafting went from 400k a week to 2-6million a week.....only because of EP's. Take that away and it will go back to 400k per week. Probably less, because of the abundance of unlimted weapons, and the abundance of limited guns in hunting loot.

The only reason people click EP's is because of tt materials.

Rgds

Ace
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But you see also the other site? No more MU at any recources and hunt loot? Do you have a idea how to fix this?
One is clear, ep crafting is a slotmachine in a other grafical look. the only one profiting about this ep stuff, is only MA. Crafters should craft stuff for the game, and not usless TT stuff what also is killing the whole economy.

The 2-6 million per week, you mentioned, dont help to make the game better! it only benefit MA. So yes, i would love to go back to the 400K week, but stuff get MU back.

The game economy was never that bad, as since we have this freaking EP crafting.

If some couverments check out, about the ep crafting, im sure this game get banned into this countries. Here into Switzerland, it would not be allowed! It would be defined as a Casino!
 
trance said:
B]If some couverments check out, about the ep crafting, im sure this game get banned into this countries. Here into Switzerland, it would not be allowed! It would be defined as a Casino![/B]
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SGA has looked into it again and from their findings and what MA has told them about EPs is that it still falls under the simple rule: You gain skills to sale to others and hence is not a casino. Yes SGA stated THIS!
 
trance said:
But you see also the other site? No more MU at any recources and hunt loot? Do you have a idea how to fix this?
One is clear, ep crafting is a slotmachine in a other grafical look. the only one profiting about this ep stuff, is only MA. Crafters should craft stuff for the game, and not usless TT stuff what also is killing the whole economy.

The 2-6 million per week, you mentioned, dont help to make the game better! it only benefit MA. So yes, i would love to go back to the 400K week, but stuff get MU back.

The game economy was never that bad, as since we have this freaking EP crafting.

If some couverments check out, about the ep crafting, im sure this game get banned into this countries. Here into Switzerland, it would not be allowed! It would be defined as a Casino!
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I would agree unamped miners would benefit. But what about all the limited crafted guns that benefit from low metal residue? Its hard enough for those to compete?

If EPs went, then metal residue would rise, mining amps would rise in cost, people would amp less and ores/enmatters would increase in price.

But that would only benefit unamped miners. (as those that amp have already incurred most of the cost with the increase markup on amps)

I know that some would rise more than others, but i am pretty sure it would even it self out.

The biggest losers would be any other crafted item that requires metal residue that competes with the shed load of unlimited items out there.

And EP crafters havent taken anything a way from the economy, that increase from 400k to 2-6million per week is EXTRA. It has not come from other proffessions. Actually hunting is up, mining is up....all in terms of turn over from players

So personally i think EP's are a win win, if MA can introduce competitive limited weapons


Rgds

Ace

EDIT: the main reason people are signing this petition is because they see EP's at the top of the hof list and know they use tt stuff. It must be bad and i am fed up with seeing it on the hof list......sign.
 
EPs is an avatars last place before inactivity. So be happy people gamble rather than withdrawing.

But would be Nice to go back to no limited items, no mining amps, no EPs bps, no SiB weps, no missions.

And I could just lay down and slide all over EU :)

Back to topic. Yes remove the bps ^^
 
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Ace Flyster said:
I would agree unamped miners would benefit. But what about all the limited crafted guns that benefit from low metal residue? Its hard enough for those to compete?

If EPs went, then metal residue would rise, mining amps would rise in cost, people would amp less and ores/enmatters would increase in price.

But that would only benefit unamped miners. (as those that amp have already incurred most of the cost with the increase markup on amps)

I know that some would rise more than others, but i am pretty sure it would even it self out.

The biggest losers would be any other crafted item that requires metal residue that competes with the shed load of unlimited items out there.
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You could say, "remove EP, put metal residue in the TT instead of nanocubes", but that wouldn't really solve anything would it? Amps would still be dirt cheap, the market would still be flooded and markups would still be garbage. The only thing that would change is a potential increase in gambling on mining amps and a heavy decrease in overall crafting turnover, this would not help the economy much I imagine.

Really, the only long term solution is this:

Ludvig|MindArk said:
For those worried about crafting being neglected; there are also plans in motion to reinvigorate the crafting profession
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Nearing the end of the month! Hope to hear an update on this soon. But I wouldn't hold my breath... They would need to do some radical changes to put a dent in the current state of crafting.
 
ZPF said:
Nearing the end of the month! Hope to hear an update on this soon. But I wouldn't hold my breath... They would need to do some radical changes to put a dent in the current state of crafting.
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the new attachment and weapon gizmos were a great idea.. and the new L guns are far superior to ANY looted L gun in game.

good moves...

but i would have like to see ep4 modified.. you still shouldn't be able to play EU at 20 ped/click or that high rate of cycle for TT cost.

alternatively I want lvl 13 mining amps and L m83 preds in the TT if that's the case.. keep it equal amirite?
 
Rocket192 said:
the new attachment and weapon gizmos were a great idea.. and the new L guns are far superior to ANY looted L gun in game.
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Didn't realize how out of the loop I was, no idea what you're talking about here. Did they release new BPs already?
 
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