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moise said:
to be honest i didn't mean to "tell" you anything
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Maybe u shouldn't post on the public forum if u don't want to "tell me anything"? ;)
Off u go on the ignore list, troll.
 
Fifth said:
Maybe u shouldn't post on the public forum if u don't want to "tell me anything"? ;)
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same message in reputation comment
lol harrasment ?

post here is "talking to you" ?
come on ...
go for PM to let thread clean

ho and between who are you to tell me what i should do and not to do ?
 
Fifth said:
Some ppl always start talking about their biggest HoFs when others talk about average TT return. For fraks sake it's apples and oranges! Never had a 100%+ TT run on minis only, without a single global?
It's bad enough that lot of ppl don't know what too small sample size means, to count the biggest loots on tracker as some kind of proof is outright hilarious.
I for one would gladly give away all my globals and hofs, u can keep em! Just gimme a decent average TT return and I'm happy.

And then ofc they always add this mandatory magical line like with "a ton ped cycled", like your "ton" should tell me something? Hell most ppl can't even imagine what "a ton ped cycled" really means for some ppl here...


That being said, i have too noticed the whole EU is like in a "condition mode" last weeks (as opposed to "quantity mode")... or sth. Sadly, it's true and not so hard to notice either. Waiting for the wind to change... :yup:
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Most likely see a 200k+ one in the next few weeks and have ma come out and say it doesnt effect your returns again lol. well thats what i remeber from alan uber when he got it. Nothing to get the masses depoing and cycleing ped when a big one pops up ;) give us some hope cough cough
 
Well, you've seen my logs. This last week has been the worst I've had. 45% is possible in the extreme short term if you are not getting any globals/minis because that is generally the base. But that % is not the base for 3.125dpp but more like 2.85-2.9 which you are getting when you factor in defense cost or less.

It's not desired but when you have all the grinders who are running with ped leaks these days because of the rings and uber gear, it is not surprising we are all in a slump now.
 
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slick27 said:
Most likely see a 200k+ one in the next few weeks and have ma come out and say it doesnt effect your returns again lol. well thats what i remeber from alan uber when he got it. Nothing to get the masses depoing and cycleing ped when a big one pops up ;) give us some hope cough cough
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that was 300k+ & in the old lootsystem
these days, it's impossible to get those multipliers.. my point is low vs high loots.
I just lost what i didn't manage to loot in the last 400k cycled & to tell the truth, it's not the only run like this.

sure, i can recover from this back to my 88-90%tt & still lose 15k+ ped/month
is that why I skilled to lvl100+? not really
& that's when using 65 dps only, something a lvl 50 L user can get w/o enh
maybe we should count the cost/h again to play this game couse it sure ain't 1$ for me
 
das said:
sure, i can recover from this back to my 88-90%tt & still lose 15k+ ped/month
is that why I skilled to lvl100+? not really
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welcome in entropia casino were skills allows you to gamble higher stakes = loose more money in the same time
if your expected to profit with lvl 100 they trapped you :yup:
 
Dollymaus said:
welcome in entropia casino were skills allows you to gamble higher stakes = loose more money in the same time
if your expected to profit with lvl 100 they trapped you :yup:
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i don't but close to break even with a chance to profit after mu should be a motivation for ppl to stay longer then 3 months..
maybe I should remove all items from my account & give it to the gambling commission? :D
 
Nice improved loot ....

Hunted yesterday and mined, After almost week being off.... (due low returns, Week b4 64% etc.). Game is getting unaffordable to play (I considering to be a low profile player), so I gues other " low" profile players are just not playing,.... and Cost to play with 40DPS is getting over 10$/h .... (MA did publish that cost to play is 1 $ /h that info was on MA pages, now is removed ...)

A run on small molisk (Youngs,+... Most Scout/Gatharer) .... a Full run with A106 and Lc 100 + 2 Accu enhancers (none broke this run) + Ares L = 2006 shots, + Enblade 6 as finisher + Si Scorpion as finisher, did few times fap up with S10, and Adj pixies as armor (def. cost low as scouts are down b4 getting in attack range) making, that run ~ 280 PED TT cost

TT loss 137 ped .... = ~ 51% (I do track differently - TT gain /loss and then MU, as those Mystical 90% are no use for me)

What was observations during hunt
- 1 global 28 peder :yay:
- But other mini multipliers were in range of 3x-7x max in comparison before mini multipiers were ~10x (I grind Molisks time 2 time) :eyecrazy:
- Great count of Nolooters /nova Blazer :lolup:
- Average loot also looked to be low :scratch2:

Soo why to play.....
Ps. those who want/would write BLABLAABAALAAA = 2 little cycled - sorry, You are as heavy addicts who need to get cure, most of community are not spending that much and New players getting (They are uneefficient as with less knowledge) would be scareed (are) away.....

Cost to play 13.7 $/h

2. Also joined in evening Merps HSL event (what #1 spot and 2# was won by cheaters who took down Random spawn mobs)
- 1 H run with Enblade -6 E.l.M. mob Merp Young (some MAt and got like 5 Olds)= TT loss 17 peds (was inefficinet as agroed many mobs for speeding up)
- no loot above 2 peds

At least some fun,...
Cost to play 1.7 $/h

3. small run with 3 D-C amps on Calypso planet side enmaters
1st amp 2 claims = 36 ped average MU ~ 1%
2nd amp = NRF
3rd amp 4 claims VIII, VII , VIII and VII ..= TT =34 ped average MU 1%...
Making cost 538.5+ TT (565.5 With AMP MU) and Return 70 PED, = TT loss " Just" 468 PEDs


Nice 12.999999 % TT return
Or for real ~12.38 % Return as MU on amps also should be paid

and Yes I had similar runs on planet side so I do not mine almost anymore....

Cost to play - not calculated as I was getting Idle - made me think in middle to TT amps (would be much better TT Return if instant TTing thme after purchase bzw.... :lolup:)

Soo I am down for 622 ped in few hours,
Did login today .... for whole 5 min,.... as had 2 wait for patching up other game....
 
OMG the most unbelievable thing just happened! After getting shit loot of 300 peds spent i didnt come to cry on forum. I kept going, after 2 days of shooting (20k+ turned) i was down by 1,2k peds with my dpp of 3.4+. No, i still didnt go on pcf, i went to sleep. Did i start today by coming to pcf and cry? NOT. Started shooting as per usual and already up by 1k. Bigger swings thx to 'bighoffetishists' but loot is same as always was. Ppl can never cease to amaze me after claiming of to have lost 10k-100k in EU then comes with 300 ped runs with bad returns while 'nibs' actually log their hunting activity n see where their TT return is :)

As for those who actually tracks n get shit returns, check smilg's log how did he fare in the months before hitting his biggies compared to other 'normal' months.

Ppl wanted big hofs, first have to pay for them!
 
Piotr said:
OMG the most unbelievable thing just happened! After getting shit loot of 300 peds spent i didnt come to cry on forum. I kept going, after 2 days of shooting (20k+ turned) i was down by 1,2k peds with my dpp of 3.4+. No, i still didnt go on pcf, i went to sleep. Did i start today by coming to pcf and cry? NOT. Started shooting as per usual and already up by 1k. Bigger swings thx to 'bighoffetishists' but loot is same as always was. Ppl can never cease to amaze me after claiming of to have lost 10k-100k in EU then comes with 300 ped runs with bad returns while 'nibs' actually log their hunting activity n see where their TT return is :)

As for those who actually tracks n get shit returns, check smilg's log how did he fare in the months before hitting his biggies compared to other 'normal' months.

Ppl wanted big hofs, first have to pay for them!
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yes, I did do another 300 ped run & ended up with 1 mini of 19 ped, how much did you get in globals during that time?
around 500-600 ped..
I also know for sure that if i did another amp I would've gotten the same result, so yes, I canged mob
You wonna share your TT return? & I'll share mine?
Guess not.. not everyone profits enough to buy a mm & some other fancy stuff

FYI, 1080 globals since i got a 2k ped loot..
How long has it been for you?
 
das said:
yes, I did do another 300 ped run & ended up with 1 mini of 19 ped, how much did you get in globals during that time?
around 500-600 ped..
I also know for sure that if i did another amp I would've gotten the same result, so yes, I canged mob
You wonna share your TT return? & I'll share mine?
Guess not.. not everyone profits enough to buy a mm & some other fancy stuff

FYI, 1080 globals since i got a 2k ped loot..
How long has it been for you?
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660 globs since but ur 2k loot is probably bigger multiplier than my 3k ped hit on a 30+ ped mob :)
If we go at it like that, why not check ATH/globals ratio too ? ^^
Both r bad comparisons, i have better returns than smilgs and thats without big multiplier (meaning much bigger than 300x). All get the loot they r supposed to, how much they spend to get it? Thats the secret
 
atomicstorm said:
My returns have been poor too. I got some of it back yesterday. I think it has to do with resource caps than anything. But 2k peds is too small a sample.

I'll be blunt with das, if I wasn't going hard for ks, I wouldn't hunt again until explosives was removed or tweaked.

And on a side note, 3% Def cost is very high.
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I am genuinely intrigued. What is your connection between exp bl and hunting?


Rgds

Ace
 
Since you didn't givbe your numbers, here are mine since i complained
TT cycled : 6373.72 ped
TT return : 4151.31
% TT return 65.13%
Return after mu : 4270.4108
% return after mu : 66.96%
AVG MU % : 102.87%

total loss after mu 2107 ped

time needed to cycle : 8.5h
cost/h : 247 ped
 
looking at the numbers, I'll stop shooting for more then a week..
more like 3 weeks at least standing at rig top recover from 8.5h hunt :)
pretty sure with a normal TT return, MA would've mùade a shitload more from me :)
 
Im in TT+ rest infos r classified =)

EDIT: decided to share info of my pre-MM period (1,5 years or so)

spent: 2780304.65
loot back: 2863610.27 (1.029962767%)
def cost: 10396.17+16397.77 (0.9662664126%)
MU gained: 328593.21 (11.47478808%)
extra cost (enh, pills, rent fee etc): 65116.54
Total profit: 346782.29

ANd those numbers include going full out on eomons where i lost 37k in TT
 
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Maybe ... the invisible armor which didn't sell is taken from loot returns
Maybe ... withdrawn money is compensated by taking it from loot returns
Maybe ... the exploit MM is compensated by taking it from loot returns so CLD are back to normal
Maybe ... we are all fools and don't use the right equipment and method to hunt, mine or craft :confused:
Maybe ... the management team takes a yearly bonus compensated from loot return
Maybe ... the sky is falling
Maybe ... it is just a perception and all is virtual :eyecrazy:

Maybe ... it is dynamic

:girl:

Atami
 
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Piotr said:
Im in TT+ rest infos r classified =)

EDIT: decided to share info of my pre-MM period (1,5 years or so)

spent: 2780304.65
loot back: 2863610.27 (1.029962767%)
def cost: 10396.17+16397.77 (0.9662664126%)
MU gained: 328593.21 (11.47478808%)
extra cost (enh, pills, rent fee etc): 65116.54
Total profit: 346782.29

ANd those numbers include going full out on eomons where i lost 37k in TT
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Interesting values
The most interesting for me is the 11.47% MU looted these days
Thanks for sharing
 
das said:
Since you didn't givbe your numbers, here are mine since i complained
TT cycled : 6373.72 ped
TT return : 4151.31
% TT return 65.13%
Return after mu : 4270.4108
% return after mu : 66.96%
AVG MU % : 102.87%

total loss after mu 2107 ped

time needed to cycle : 8.5h
cost/h : 247 ped
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This happens even when it isn't the last couple of weeks. This is why bankroll is important. But, 6k is too small a sample size. I hope you cycled more than that before creating this thread.

67% sucks. I never have a hunt that goes that low (except on very very rare occasions) but hunting is one of those things where bankroll is important. Your markup needs to exceed your defense cost by a lot too btw.

I will show you mine, since you showed me yours (and it was too small *wink*):

This Month So Far:

Cycled: 91,931.82 (90.9702%)
Markup Sold: 1,910.84
After Markup and Tax Rebate: -3549.8 PED (96.1387%)
Def Cost: 215.97 (0.2349%)

Total Skills in TT: +1705 PED
BIG Rewards Rebates (not yet counted): +1160 PED
 
Resnis said:
I do track differently - TT gain /loss and then MU, as those Mystical 90% are no use for me
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Goes w/o saying, everyone can keep track in their personal logs whatever way they want.

If u come to forum and post em, that's a different story. It has nothing to do with "mystical figures".
Instead, it's all about presenting your results using the same format as everybody else.
Think about it. If everyone calculates their results differently there's no way we can compare the results with each other and all the numbers u posting are perfectly useless to anyone else.

Don't take me wrong, I'm not criticizing. I'm trying to help.

Cheers! :girl:
 
atomicstorm said:
Item markup obviously.
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How does exp BP crafting affect your mark? Exactly what items you loot in hunting were effected by ex BP? I could name shit loads that were effected by shrapnel.

Especially as they changed drop rate. The lack of bps that use the stuff hunters loot, is also big problem.

None of which is effected by the exp BP.


Rgds

Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
How does exp BP crafting affect your mark? Exactly what items you loot in hunting were effected by ex BP? I could name shit loads that were effected by shrapnel.

Especially as they changed drop rate. The lack of bps that use the stuff hunters loot, is also big problem.

None of which is effected by the exp BP.


Rgds

Ace
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all oils for example?

ppl which clicked plastic stuff now click expl 3 or whatever
 
The exp bp was relesed in 2014 dec.

NO ANIMAL OILs were effected. I Just checked.

So again, what markups for hunters has the exp bp effected?

Apparently, to atomic, it is obvious.


Rgds

Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
The exp bp was relesed in 2014 dec.

NO ANIMAL OILs were effected. I Just checked.

So again, what markups for hunters has the exp bp effected?

Apparently, to atomic, it is obvious.


Rgds

Ace
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shrapnel replaced alot of oils and those oils didn't go up in mu..so you get more or less mu after your hunt?
 
Ace Flyster said:
The exp bp was relesed in 2014 dec.

NO ANIMAL OILs were effected. I Just checked.

So again, what markups for hunters has the exp bp effected?

Apparently, to atomic, it is obvious.


Rgds

Ace
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not that its exactly important regarding this thread, as its TT return but oils did drop around the time of the bp's

iirc The loot system was altered just before the bps were added, using the graph for muscle oil you can see a sharp jump up which started to decline over the release of the bps and beyond (related or not) but the muscle oil now is slightly higher MU than before because of the loot change
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Ace Flyster said:
That's shrapnel, nothing to do with exp BP.


Rgds

Ace
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ok, shrapnel added...alot less oils dropping price should go up?
yes it did and then expl came and it dropped to the previous mu...

so before shrapnel on 100 ped hunt you got 70 ped oil with 105%, then after shrapnel you got 20 ped oil at 115% and after expl you get 20p oil at 105%...
 
The Jetman said:
not that its exactly important regarding this thread, as its TT return but oils did drop around the time of the bp's

iirc The loot system was altered just before the bps were added, using the graph for muscle oil you can see a sharp jump up which started to decline over the release of the bps and beyond (related or not) but the muscle oil now is slightly higher MU than before because of the loot change
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Atomic said he would stop hunting untill they get rid of, or sort out, exp bps. I asked why? He said cause the bp has effected hunting markups.

It hasn't.

For me it's like saying. I am not going to vote this year, because africa is in a dry season. Too completely unrelated scenarios.

If he had said shrapnel screwed with loot or the loot pools are connected (i.e crafters are taking tt out of hunting pool) or lack of bps screwed hunting markup....or drop rates screwed markup. Even if i didn't believe in the idea....they would make sense.

But to say, exp bps screwed hunting, is just wrong. (Or more importantly i am trying to find something it has effected in hunting loot markup)


Rgds

Ace
 
Ace Flyster said:
Atomic said he would stop hunting untill they get rid of, or sort out, exp bps. I asked why? He said cause the bp has effected hunting markups.

It hasn't.

For me it's like saying. I am not going to vote this year, because africa is in a dry season. Too completely unrelated scenarios.

If he had said shrapnel screwed with loot or the loot pools are connected (i.e crafters are taking tt out of hunting pool) or lack of bps screwed hunting markup....or drop rates screwed markup. Even if i didn't believe in the idea....they would make sense.

But to say, exp bps screwed hunting, is just wrong. (Or more importantly i am trying to find something it has effected in hunting loot markup)


Rgds

Ace
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true, and on the other hand, if the loot pool is shared the recent big hunting loots could be because of crafters losing hard with EP.

while i don't like the idea of EP bp, I honestly can't blame them, with the hunting loot pool full of good L guns and armor the crafters have turned to the casino terminal. if guns were reduced and new bps released to craft those guns, some of these crafters may go back to crafting again, and in turn using mats we loot.... but that's a different issue for a different thread
 
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