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First Announcement From President of Virtual Reality

"His Campaign pledge in the election for the first President was to create one BILLION jobs in Virtual Reality during his initial 4 Year term in office."


My calculator struggled with that many zeros, but that's 684,931 jobs a day.

Maybe you should have said one Million?



I'm looking forward to employment progress updates. :cool:
 
hm I'm getting the impression the billion of jobs is referring to a system of microtasks (like the ones at entropia pärtners, for example). makes a lot more sense if you see it like that.

jobs = filling out surveys, listening to radio stations for points, etc
 
Mega said:
My calculator struggled with that many zeros, but that's 684,931 jobs a day.
Maybe you should have said one Million?
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I think u taking off in the wrong direction there. It's not meant as a specific recipe that you can simply follow through, step by step and then u have the end result. If it was that simple somebody would already have done it, and we won't be discussing here if it's possible or not.

It's not a recipe at all, it's a vision. If the vision is powerful enough, the recipe will be created.

Martin Luther said I have a dream! Most ppl at the time said well that's impossible. The society wont work that way, it has been proven through out centuries, what we have today is how it has to be.

Or, if u would tell anyone in 1998 (when Google was founded) that you can become the most powerful corporation in the world simply by mediating adverts on the web ppl would look at you with this, u know. friendly kind of smile. Yea yea good story bro.

And here we are today. Somehow, no more irreverent smile.

Shady said:
im starting to think that the problem is not the game but the player :(
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I'm afraid you are right there.
Whatever, if the game survives they will disappear in the mass of the new generation. If not there's no game and no players.


 
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"People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." (George Bernard Shaw)
 
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Great quotes lads. Unfortunately, Jon NEVERDIE Jacobs is not a visionary of any sort, he's a plain liar / advertiser and nothing more.

I'd much rather someone like Deathifier (who invested in this game because he understood the potential) or Star (who knows the game insider out, even if he is still a dirty twins reseller (Pornstar) ;) ) lead the game than a washed up hollywood fake like this chunt.
 
Aio said:
Great quotes lads. Unfortunately, Jon NEVERDIE Jacobs is not a visionary of any sort, he's a plain liar / advertiser and nothing more.
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Last I checked, he was visionary enough to buy CND.
Obviously that wasn't because he understood the potential of the game. When Deathifier invested, now that was the direct opposite, it was because he understood the potential of the game. Right, got it.

Anyway, it's good to know we have people in here who specialize in QA of the visionaries. Would u go over the New Testament Books for me someday? There's a few passages in the last one that I'm interested in. :cool:
 
Fifth said:
Last I checked, he was visionary enough to buy CND.
Obviously that wasn't because he understood the potential of the game. When Deathifier invested, now that was the direct opposite, it was because he understood the potential of the game. Right, got it.

Anyway, it's good to know we have people in here who specialize in QA of the visionaries. Would u go over the New Testament Books for me someday? There's a few passages in the last one that I'm interested in. :cool:
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sassy sassy
 
Fifth said:
Martin Luther said I have a dream! Most ppl at the time said well that's impossible. The society wont work that way, it has been proven through out centuries, what we have today is how it has to be.
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A) Martin Luther was a principal member of the Reformation Movement and was most famous for calling the Pope a scam artist. I wonder what he would have to say about ND's "election".

B) Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a leader of the American Civil Rights Movement who delivered a famous speech which has become known as the "I have a dream" speech. I have to believe that he would also have had a somewhat dim view of the "election", that is if he, in fact, even had time to consider it. I'm sure he was quite busy with that whole Civil Rights thing and the being assinated deal.

Regardless, I can't believe anyone would be so misguided as to actually compare ND to either of those two. I guess we should just be thankful that you left out Ghandi, The Prophet Muhammad, Moses, and Jesus Christ.

The very best comparison has got to be P.T. Barnum. The problem is, Barnum realized that he was essentially a conman, but ND seems to actually believe his own bullshit.

I don't know why everyone keeps throwing the word "visionary" around with such awe. There are literally millions upon millions of people out there with a "vision", and each one of those turdheads actually believes that their "vision" will change the world. Sadly, they are mistaken. A vision without intelligence is just another stupid idea that some moron truly believes in.

As for the video, I haven't seen a room full of engineers look that befuddled since my last corporate townhall. Man, I miss those days. :laugh:
 
Rumsponge said:
The very best comparison has got to be P.T. Barnum. The problem is, Barnum realized that he was essentially a conman, but ND seems to actually believe his own bullshit.
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Well, we have a reason to believe even the notorious P.T. Barnum pretty often actually believed what he said and his actions promoted the vision of a better future for all human beings. The real world is never as black and white as we're often led to believe it is:
P.T. Barnum said:
With the ratification of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution over slavery and African-American suffrage, Barnum spoke before the legislature and said, "A human soul, ‘that God has created and Christ died for,’ is not to be trifled with. It may tenant the body of a Chinaman, a Turk, an Arab or a Hottentot – it is still an immortal spirit"
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What about Martin Luther King, I expected for most ppl just the famous sentence "I have a dream!" would be enough to know who was the person I was referring to.

Rumsponge said:
There are literally millions upon millions of people out there with a "vision", and each one of those turdheads actually believes that their "vision" will change the world. Sadly, they are mistaken. A vision without intelligence is just another stupid idea that some moron truly believes in.
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Yes. I absolutely agree with you there.

See, the thing is, although we can't directly prove or disprove any visions, there's methods to evaluate the probability of visions being true or untrue. Those methods are commonly known as Futurology (the most commonly used example is the Moore's law). For some predictions (usually placed in the relatively close future) we can have pretty good estimations that they are most likely true or most likely false. For others (usually placed in a very distant future or having all their premises based outside rational thinking) we are unable to evaluate them either way.

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As it happens, my work is closely related to these problems. Nowadays strategic business decisions and all decisions related to funding scientific research are based on estimations about technological trends, possible breakthroughs etc. There's specialized software that takes available info about the current trends and then interpolates all those trends into the future. On those models we can see the future (with ever decreasing degrees of reliability as we go further into future).

The problem with those models is, we know for a fact there's always these "rogue factors" that "jump in" somewhere halfway through and can sometimes grow so powerful that they can reverse the whole outcome to it's direct opposite. It seems human brain is so far still a more reliable tool for evaluating the probable outcomes of those very complex developments than the computers and software we have today.
I can tell from my own experience, when you are trying to see this huge matrix where different trends are in a constant flux: joining up, branching out, influencing each other... Your conscious mind simply doesn't have enough computing power and short term memory capability to solve the problem.
Luckily human brain has huge additional resource, subconscious (or simply, not conscious) information processing. You can use this, but there's a price to pay - you can have very accurate results but you will have hard time trying to explain the process used to reach those conclusions.

For the same reason visionaries, if u ask them for the details often can't tell you how they know the things they know or what should we do exactly to get from "here" to "there". They can't describe the exact process. Not to themselves, not even speaking about other people.

What about improved AI, automation of mass production and mass unemployment, those are so obvious trends today that nobody in their right mind would doubt these processes will collide in the predictable future. It's just that today we can't say with any certainty how bad will be the impact and how far into the future we should place it.
 
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There was a TV series called "The Brain" presented by David Eagleman which discussed this and a lot of our decisions are based on our emotional state rather than cold hard logic. Without emotions people can become over whelmed and unable to make even the simplest choices.

AI will certainly aid in many things but what ND is saying that we should use our gaming skills to earn cash :scratch2: but wouldn't an AI be able to do that as well :laugh:
 
SpikeBlack said:
There was a TV series called "The Brain" presented by David Eagleman which discussed this and a lot of our decisions are based on our emotional state rather than cold hard logic. Without emotions people can become over whelmed and unable to make even the simplest choices.

AI will certainly aid in many things but what ND is saying that we should use our gaming skills to earn cash :scratch2: but wouldn't an AI be able to do that as well :laugh:
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Well for the most part what he's saying, I think, is with VR coming we will have more and more people popping into games like, Second Life, to live. And his idea is that with that we will need jobs to work in VR. And yes the billions of jobs does come form the use of AI bots :)

I wonder if MA thought this through. :scratch2: One and all come to EU with your bots we have billions of job openings! :eyecrazy:
 
Fifth said:
As it happens, my work is closely related to these problems. Nowadays strategic business decisions and all decisions related to funding scientific research are based on estimations about technological trends, possible breakthroughs etc. There's specialized software that takes available info about the current trends and then interpolates all those trends into the future. On those models we can see the future (with ever decreasing degrees of reliability as we go further into future).
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Something good is finally coming out of the craziness - people are starting to discuss people's approaches to visions for the future etc and mentioning a whole host of people other than the ones at the start of the thread.

It is a pity, though, that ND has such a low standing and that the election was more farcical than anything I have ever seen before - truly embarrasing.

Do I think we need real cash job artificial universes? Yes.

Have I been hoping for years now that a group with more integrity can start one up; one that uses the vast powers for universe creation now available for a really great immersible experience while bringing in a host of economic factors linked bi-directionally to players' wallets? Yes too!
 
Fifth said:
Well, we have a reason to believe even the notorious P.T. Barnum pretty often actually believed what he said and his actions promoted the vision of a better future for all human beings. The real world is never as black and white as we're often led to believe it is:
What about Martin Luther King, I expected for most ppl just the famous sentence "I have a dream!" would be enough to know who was the person I was referring to.

Yes. I absolutely agree with you there.

See, the thing is, although we can't directly prove or disprove any visions, there's methods to evaluate the probability of visions being true or untrue. Those methods are commonly known as Futurology (the most commonly used example is the Moore's law). For some predictions (usually placed in the relatively close future) we can have pretty good estimations that they are most likely true or most likely false. For others (usually placed in a very distant future or having all their premises based outside rational thinking) we are unable to evaluate them either way.

* * *

As it happens, my work is closely related to these problems. Nowadays strategic business decisions and all decisions related to funding scientific research are based on estimations about technological trends, possible breakthroughs etc. There's specialized software that takes available info about the current trends and then interpolates all those trends into the future. On those models we can see the future (with ever decreasing degrees of reliability as we go further into future).

The problem with those models is, we know for a fact there's always these "rogue factors" that "jump in" somewhere halfway through and can sometimes grow so powerful that they can reverse the whole outcome to it's direct opposite. It seems human brain is so far still a more reliable tool for evaluating the probable outcomes of those very complex developments than the computers and software we have today.
I can tell from my own experience, when you are trying to see this huge matrix where different trends are in a constant flux: joining up, branching out, influencing each other... Your conscious mind simply doesn't have enough computing power and short term memory capability to solve the problem.
Luckily human brain has huge additional resource, subconscious (or simply, not conscious) information processing. You can use this, but there's a price to pay - you can have very accurate results but you will have hard time trying to explain the process used to reach those conclusions.

For the same reason visionaries, if u ask them for the details often can't tell you how they know the things they know or what should we do exactly to get from "here" to "there". They can't describe the exact process. Not to themselves, not even speaking about other people.

What about improved AI, automation of mass production and mass unemployment, those are so obvious trends today that nobody in their right mind would doubt these processes will collide in the predictable future. It's just that today we can't say with any certainty how bad will be the impact and how far into the future we should place it.
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Very interesting...
 
minim said:
This election stuff has to be the biggest fail of EU history. Did really anyone in game take this seriously?
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Nope! I didn't even see or know of where we could vote. As if it mattered... and as if this position will produce or encourage anything... booooo
 
Some people like ND, some don't. That will never change.

What this does is give him the opportunity to advertise the game we all love. Notice how every time the virtual reality thing is mentioned he is eventually talking about and advertising Entropia.

Who on these forums has spent there own time to advertise Entropia in the way ND has continued to do for years. Who here brought one of the biggest influx of players into the game through their in-game actions(ie. sale of asteroid and RT).

I know I have not, have you?
 
dar hammer dei said:
Some people like ND, some don't. That will never change.

What this does is give him the opportunity to advertise the game we all love. Notice how every time the virtual reality thing is mentioned he is eventually talking about and advertising Entropia.

Who on these forums has spent there own time to advertise Entropia in the way ND has continued to do for years. Who here brought one of the biggest influx of players into the game through their in-game actions(ie. sale of asteroid and RT).

I know I have not, have you?
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Considering MA pay him and they do not me, I think it's fairly obvious why he promotes EU and I do not.

ND's job is effectively entropia - a) he makes money off players at Rocktropia and b) he's more in-bed with MA than any other participant.
 
What is a job?

In EU everyone has the sweet gatherer tool and everyone can get the s10 fap, one billion job promise is done :D
 
Aio said:
Considering MA pay him and they do not me, I think it's fairly obvious why he promotes EU and I do not.

ND's job is effectively entropia - a) he makes money off players at Rocktropia and b) he's more in-bed with MA than any other participant.
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Whatever his interests are. His still the only one doing it and its the only real form of advertising the game gets. Do you see any other PP in the headlines?
 
and the absolutely WORST thing about this entire matter is that they didn't partner up with Second Life!

in that case they would actually represent the real-money-economy side of "virtual reality games"! it's so baffling they didn't even think that far...

(btw, why did I join Entropia - cause I read an article about the biggest virtual item sale...)
 
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and the absolutely WORST thing about this entire matter is that they didn't partner up with Second Life!

in that case they would actually represent the real-money-economy side of "virtual reality games"! it's so baffling they didn't even think that far...

(btw, why did I join Entropia - cause I read an article about the biggest virtual item sale...)
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If they partnered up with anyone for real then they'd have to make a real poll and perhaps even have actual opposing candidates. Much harder to rig the election that way..
 
If only they paid 1000 $ to people to run for president.
 
dar hammer dei said:
Whatever his interests are. His still the only one doing it and its the only real form of advertising the game gets. Do you see any other PP in the headlines?
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To get "in the headlines" you have to do more than sending out a press release that no-one reads. You need to get the story picked up by the media. I can't think of any occasion on which ND has achieved that since around 2006.
 
Oleg said:
To get "in the headlines" you have to do more than sending out a press release that no-one reads. You need to get the story picked up by the media. I can't think of any occasion on which ND has achieved that since around 2006.
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Good observation there. Then again, has anyone achieved that?
Nothing easier than to be an effective collector of negative facts. You will be speaking the truth all the way.. to the end of the world. Nothing will change, nobody will be saved.
Takes a little bit more effort to actually do something positive (or even see anything positive) in this endless sea of boring mundane facts and figures.

Food for thinking. :smoke:
 
Fifth said:
Good observation there. Then again, has anyone achieved that?
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Well, as I said, Neverdie certainly achieved that around 2005/6 when he bought CND.

MA themselves seem to have made very little effort over the years to get any press (which is one of their biggest failings, by the way) and ironically when they did get some press it was about the EU cash-card which was subsequently abandoned. I remember that because I first heard about EU when the BBC News website ran a piece about it.

Deathifier got some coverage when he bought Treasure Island and has had some other press attention in Australia. I think that was all thanks to his own efforts but I'm not quite sure of the origin.

Similarly Buzz got a little bit of attention when he bought CP, and again I'm not sure whether that was due to his own efforts or whether MA did some PR there.

There was a piece about Ogulak Da Basher in the US a few years back (in a magazine of some kind?), and I think Star had something at one point in an American paper, I forget which one but iirc it was one of the big ones. I believe both of those articles focused on how they were able to make a living by playing a game.

Those are the only examples I can recall. It seems pretty clear from that what aspect of EU most attracts press attention.

I and some of the other members of the England/GB WoF team have tried to get some press interest in the past, mainly after we won it in 2008, but we didn't have any success.
 
Oleg said:
To get "in the headlines" you have to do more than sending out a press release that no-one reads. You need to get the story picked up by the media. I can't think of any occasion on which ND has achieved that since around 2006.
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wasn't there a link to a newsfeed which had used the press release? It may have only been yahoo 'news', with news being a very loose term there I think ;), but still..... just saying as a point of fairness....
 
jetsina said:
wasn't there a link to a newsfeed which had used the press release? It may have only been yahoo 'news', with news being a very loose term there I think ;), but still..... just saying as a point of fairness....
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Do you mean for one of the ones related to the "election"? If there was, I don't recall seeing it. I've only noticed them on press release aggregators (perhaps the wrong term to use to describe these sites?) like PR Newswire and Gamasutra.

The existence of those type of sites and the way that many media sites (Yahoo is a prime example but more traditional media and especially local newspapers have long been guilty of the same thing) just copy and paste the text from the release can make it hard to tell the difference.
 
Oleg said:
Do you mean for one of the ones related to the "election"?
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I mean the Digital Donald Trump one, which I think is this 'first announcement', yes, but I didn't pay very much attention to it. It was a lot longer than most 'articles', though, so I raised an eyebrow!
 
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