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    Quote Originally Posted by Blessing View Post
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    Are you kidding, again? You counting hours and saying that you lost yours time PLAYING A GAME? -103k! Who i can claim money for my time reading all BS in forum?! Same thing with "spent money" - who else then you is responsible for yours spent money? I am buying shoes, clothes, car... they loose value while i use that. Where i should complain?! You where buying shit skills, just to get skill count high (why?!), where buying most expensive items in game (if you would be new in game, i could tell that items loose value when new, better drops). People with best gear go for events, where best avatar + best gear + good hunter wins good prizes, you dont (too lazy to shoot at full power for 30h?!)... So yes, i do not understand you...
    Never said I am not responsible nor complaining for having spent the $ - it is indeed my choice. Was just pointing out that you cannot look at 422k total plus hunting and think that it is all profit and lies in my ped card, or say that 50k for a month would be a shitload especially if it is 1 month in like last 3 years. The $ spent per hour is very real especially if paying shooters and same applies for your time - again my choice so there is no complaint there.
    Buying the expensive stuff ingame like mk2 set was probably what made my 2014 and 2015, again not complaints there just putting a number on it.

    Item wise what got on my nerves quite a bit was nerfing buffs just half year after I got the viridian gun (they should never dropped it then), never organizing the event for the last TEN event armor piece which I was going after and releasing the X FEN amp over the semiunique X amp I acquired not long ago.

    And honestly could not care less if you understand me or not, I never did events seriously and likely never will they just don't interest me much, this is a hunting log not an event log. And I collected skills to 2k because it was a fun project, never complained about that neither did I?

    What I would like to avoid are years like 2017 which was characterized by 95% tt return.
    Most people would have quit, once in 2012 and again in 2017.

    2011 -120k
    2012 -11k
    2013 +75k
    2014 +205k
    2015 +239k
    2016 +42k
    2017 -108k
    2018 +52k
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    high efficiency stuff and looter skills seem to work again for me as of 2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by girtsn View Post
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    Never said I am not responsible nor complaining for having spent the $ - it is indeed my choice. Was just pointing out that you cannot look at 422k total plus hunting and think that it is all profit and lies in my ped card, or say that 50k for a month would be a shitload especially if it is 1 month in like last 3 years. The $ spent per hour is very real especially if paying shooters and same applies for your time - again my choice so there is no complaint there.
    Buying the expensive stuff ingame like mk2 set was probably what made my 2014 and 2015, again not complaints there just putting a number on it.

    Item wise what got on my nerves quite a bit was nerfing buffs just half year after I got the viridian gun (they should never dropped it then), never organizing the event for the last TEN event armor piece which I was going after and releasing the X FEN amp over the semiunique X amp I acquired not long ago.

    And honestly could not care less if you understand me or not, I never did events seriously and likely never will they just don't interest me much, this is a hunting log not an event log. And I collected skills to 2k because it was a fun project, never complained about that neither did I?

    What I would like to avoid are years like 2017 which was characterized by 95% tt return.
    Most people would have quit, once in 2012 and again in 2017.

    2011 -120k
    2012 -11k
    2013 +75k
    2014 +205k
    2015 +239k
    2016 +42k
    2017 -108k
    2018 +52k
    If you did not notice yet, MA do that all the time, they nerfing, they adding new and so on. Ofc i could not die for that, but i am like very very sure that they did not nerfe anything just to make you angry About shit times - i did track and saw very good players leaving because of shit year, but again, it was they problem they did not had "buffer" for that, you had, so you survived. Another thing - we all saw how and what you hunt, a lot of people where saying you doing one or another thing bad, but you kept saying they all wrong, but you are right... And last thing - yes, in my eyes (and a lot of others eyes) you complain more then anyone else.

    P.S. In first place it was, is and will be a game. So if you dont have fun, dont have profit you want... maybe time to stop.

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    Well it was you who came and said that I am complaining about having spent 103k$ in game while I was not complaining about that, the point to give some figures on spending was to explain to the people who see the 42k$ peds profit in the log and who seem to think that is actual net profit and I should go and spend the 4500$ on something nice.

    There is no net profit here nor is there any 4500$ to spend just a better armor and a useless soulbound armor in storage. Also about the bad years I "survived" because I paid for it with IRL $ and still do.

    Listed 3 very concrete things where MA screwed me over as below. Not saying they did it just for me, but was it / is it unreasonable to be unhappy about them or my returns or other things in game and complain about them on forum / support? Imho, when you see the promised systems like looter skills and efficiency seeming to not have effect like my second half of 2018 or fen item drops being distributed in a fucked up way, you have every right to complain provided you have the figures to back it up.
    Item wise what got on my nerves quite a bit was nerfing buffs just half year after I got the viridian gun (they should never dropped it then), never organizing the event for the last TEN event armor piece which I was going after and releasing the X FEN amp over the semiunique X amp I acquired not long ago.
    Hunting wise I always tried to keep it reasonable not going after mulcibers or such, nor did I change my hunting habbits radically as returns did change radically and skills and equipment was improved as much as I could throghout.

    On game, fun and leaving - at some point indeed (a lot of) the enjoyment goes away and it turns to another job that is the nature of the repetitive hunting experience - the thing that for me stays somewhat interesting is the improvement (skills, equipment, changes). Leaving wise as I have (again) complained, ESI system cannot be used to chip out these kind of amounts + the superrare items are very difficult to sell these days.

    Also, there are people who depend on the be it puny hunting activity rate I can provide over all these years, it is not easy to leave them hanging neither.

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    If you did not notice yet, MA do that all the time, they nerfing, they adding new and so on. Ofc i could not die for that, but i am like very very sure that they did not nerfe anything just to make you angry About shit times - i did track and saw very good players leaving because of shit year, but again, it was they problem they did not had "buffer" for that, you had, so you survived. Another thing - we all saw how and what you hunt, a lot of people where saying you doing one or another thing bad, but you kept saying they all wrong, but you are right... And last thing - yes, in my eyes (and a lot of others eyes) you complain more then anyone else.

    P.S. In first place it was, is and will be a game. So if you dont have fun, dont have profit you want... maybe time to stop.
    check out Smilgs hunting log and Smilgs coloring, texturing, beauty service
    high efficiency stuff and looter skills seem to work again for me as of 2019

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    Unhappy

    March 2019 = -3,992 hunting (96.21% tt)

    just as I changed my signature to say that seemingly efficiency and skills were finally working for me in 2019, immediately got reminded that it is not the case
    awful returns on big bulks, could not get a bigger hof while putting in quite a lot of effort with hofs flying left and right

    Its not like I am withdrawing peds in fact quite the opposite - is it too much to ask to at least be able to be able to get some peds to spend on tiers / upgrades on equipment like some others get? So depressing, such a dead end.

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    10 out of last 12 months profit and as soon as a single red one come along its a depressing dead end? Come on man.. Keep your mental game stronger than that.

    You wrote earlier that you feel all you get is crap for keeping this log. Well me and many others certainly appreciate it. Your own negativity draws others though. Just keep that in mind.

    Also, I must have missunderstood but surely you dont feel like the game should be able to cover whatever salary you pay your hunters? That would be absurd.

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    What I see as a depressing dead end is the return to 95% return which cannot be sustained unless it is part of some event with tremendous MU like fen or boxes or whatever. Based on my experience, such periods do last as soon as they start.

    On profit, you should not disregard time spent on the mostly repetitive and boring activities of this RCE, be it time of others or your own. It depends on the income level of the country of residence but if spending ~10 hours per day including weekends to "profit" 500$ per month does sound like nonsense, it probably is. And minus 500$ per month even more clear.

    I am not saying the game should cover it, but it should stick to it's claims on looter skills, efficiency and tt return. And I see it working for selected few others every month + rain of items on fen event, that makes it double as depressing dead end.

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    10 out of last 12 months profit and as soon as a single red one come along its a depressing dead end? Come on man.. Keep your mental game stronger than that.
    You wrote earlier that you feel all you get is crap for keeping this log. Well me and many others certainly appreciate it. Your own negativity draws others though. Just keep that in mind.
    Also, I must have missunderstood but surely you dont feel like the game should be able to cover whatever salary you pay your hunters? That would be absurd.
    check out Smilgs hunting log and Smilgs coloring, texturing, beauty service
    high efficiency stuff and looter skills seem to work again for me as of 2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Lord View Post
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    10 out of last 12 months profit and as soon as a single red one come along its a depressing dead end? Come on man.. Keep your mental game stronger than that.
    I like these monthly updates and what I learned from them and also from my logs is that it's ALL a matter of perspective really...

    While 10 months out of 12 to be in profit might mean a lot to many players, some other players could see it as a "waste of time" and it's understandable. Especially if the equipment used to mine that profit is very expensive and the devaluation pretty high and also taking into consideration a big grinder goes 12+ hours a day. What is your time worth it to you? 100$ a month? 800$ a month? Is it worth investing such large sums for this kind of profit? For different people the answer will be different so take that into consideration....

    Let me throw a few things out there, while only trying to be neutral although I too feel his tt return is a lot lower than it should be.

    • There are 99 months logged so far.
    • Total profit is 418,721 PED - big profit u might say,
    • But that's only a 4230 PED per month profit.
    • Past loot 2.0 he has an average of 1686 PED profit per month.
    • Past loot 2.0 he has a profit of 33721 PED - now extract that ~40k ped worth of a single item drop and think about it. That's 20 months of hunting. OK, the update hit him hard in the forst 4-5 months, yes, also
    • February 2018 to February 2019 it's over 100k PED profit, with 8600 PED a month average. Now that's better but it still looks a bit bad sometimes if you look at it month by month and draw conclusions...



    In conclusion, maybe this log should draw a line each quarter and quarters should be compared to each other and not with the one before it. Only that way I think it makes sense to put numbers in perspective and compare and draw conclusions because, cycles are just not 30 days long as this log clearly shows and no matter how great the setup is, how high the looter professions are, cycles are just bigger than 30days.

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    One thing.

    U also take my ubers gotten in my merry mayhem team into the equasion, but u dont take the globals/turnover into the equasion.

    So please let me fix that error for u.

    The correct numbers would be based on the below ubers.

    mg Joda VVV VVV 527221 PED 4687




    mg Joda VVV VVV count 17 sum 73717
    - Mayhem Araneatrox (FFA 5) 4 406 PED Sun, 30 Dec 2018 18:20:15
    - Mayhem Araneatrox (FFA 5) 11 514 PED Sat, 22 Dec 2018 17:05:24
    - Big Bulk Gen 07 1 025 PED Sat, 08 Dec 2018 07:34:51
    - Araneatrox Young Elite 10 651 PED Wed, 28 Nov 2018 14:57:16
    - Dire Hound 1 275 PED Sun, 04 Nov 2018 01:41:05
    - Araneatrox Young 1 248 PED Tue, 16 Oct 2018 02:12:05
    - Atrox Dominant 1 114 PED Sat, 13 Oct 2018 19:39:53
    - Osseocollum Prowler 1 088 PED Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:38:53
    - Warrior Commander 010011 4 859 PED Sat, 25 Aug 2018 14:59:33
    - Disecter, Brood of All 8 829 PED Sat, 25 Aug 2018 10:25:41
    - Aurli Watcher 2 589 PED Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:35:00
    - Vanguard Communicator 4 726 PED Fri, 17 Aug 2018 03:07:11
    - Vanguard Coordinator 1 086 PED Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:37:10
    - Legionnaire Gen 01 2 443 PED Thu, 16 Aug 2018 11:14:25
    - Eomon Provider 1 549 PED Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:33:25
    - Eomon Old 1 313 PED Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:13:39
    - Eomon Stalker 14 002 PED Fri, 10 Aug 2018 03:52:17
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    Indeed, I did capture the turnover somewhere before mayhem for ~3 months period as on EL and from then on just added any hofs i could find and relate. Adding your team hofs in Mayhem was an error as you said, support shooters etc so that does not fit - sorry.
    But that does not invalidate my hof drought for the period ~July to December.
    Providing turnover was meant to indicate that my turnover is not (a lot) smaller than the other samples.
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    One thing.
    U also take my ubers gotten in my merry mayhem team into the equasion, but u dont take the globals/turnover into the equasion.
    check out Smilgs hunting log and Smilgs coloring, texturing, beauty service
    high efficiency stuff and looter skills seem to work again for me as of 2019

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