Really... turn EU into slave labour job creation program?

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"To get things started, Jacobs has offered to pay his eager new workforce $180 for their first year playing while the groundwork is being laid. After that, he plans to institute minimum wage laws in VR-space, paying a minimum of $2.50 per hour or basic work, and a minimum of $5.00 per hour of skilled labor on behalf of the game."

Making the game better is one thing, but turning it into a slave labour job creation program to profit off of, does not sound like great human relations or advertising for this game.

Is this a 4th world dictatorship? press releases without eu community voting on an idea like that?
that is not right

People have money invested in this game.... there should be some rules regarding press releases in relation to this game.
 
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Well Sure

Okay so $2.50 or $5.00 an hour may sounds like chump change to you but I remember when I started paying EU in my teenage years I would have LOVED to be making $3-$4 an hour playing a game. There are many gold farmers in other games (names we will not mention as our lord who shall not be named) who work for less than that.

Couple that with the facts that EU is a global game, the costs of computers are decreasing to where people in third world countries can afford them (okay not all but still, getting easier to aquire), and that google is providing internet to a lot of places that previously didn't have it.

There is a documentary on Netflix called "Living on a Dollar a Day", where college kids simulate living on $1 A DAY in Guatemala. If I had incentive to work for $2.50 AN HOUR instead of $1 A DAY, I could definitely see many, many, of these types of people playing. Instead of learning to farm, or things like that they would learn to use a computer, maybe not the adults (hopefully they could learn), but maybe the kids could. At the very least it provides an opportunity to those who make very little money (and could come up the fixed cost of buying a PC and internet access) to better themselves. This is well down the pipeline, but I'd bet at least a lot of gold farmers and people who do that sort of thing would switch to EU and I think that could potentially be a lot of people.
 
"To get things started, Jacobs has offered to pay his eager new workforce $180 for their first year playing while the groundwork is being laid. After that, he plans to institute minimum wage laws in VR-space, paying a minimum of $2.50 per hour or basic work, and a minimum of $5.00 per hour of skilled labor on behalf of the game."

Source of this quote
 
Difference in this case would be that to earn that low wage pay, you also have to spend money to get it ;)

But hey, if you spend 3 $ to earn 1 $ per hour :D It's awsome right?

Oh and I forgot to add. You need to play 12 month (15 Hours per month) on 1 dollar per hour before being able to get payed more :)
 
There are two problems with that

The first one is, to qualify for this job you must spend so much time in the game that you most likely can not have another full time job in the real world or you wont have enough free time to relax or sleep. Sitting 6 or 8 hours on a pc and doing stuff isn't relaxing at all.

People will write and use BOTs to make their avatars performing this work.

Apart from that

How will this work look like ? For me it apears you dont need any real life skills and you do artificially created work
that serves no other purpose to keep you busy while other people have to pay you for. The job will be boring, people are pissed because they have to pay for it and anyone please show me the game where you can stand doing the same thing over and over each day for a couple of hours thats not getting super boring.

If this comes i will vote with my wallet , this world have so many cool things where you can spend money on. If EU will start sucking im sure i can find a substitute.
 
Difference in this case would be that to earn that low wage pay, you also have to spend money to get it ;)

But hey, if you spend 3 $ to earn 1 $ per hour :D It's awsome right?

Oh and I forgot to add. You need to play 12 month (15 Hours per month) on 1 dollar per hour before being able to get payed more :)

at this moment we have no idea what the jobs is, other that its hard work. it could something you can farm slowly, or kill so many mobs which could stack with an iron mission. These wouldn't be too bad as its something your likely doing already.

But it could also be something like run here, tp there, grab that, craft one of those
 
at this moment we have no idea what the jobs is, other that its hard work. it could something you can farm slowly, or kill so many mobs which could stack with an iron mission. These wouldn't be too bad as its something your likely doing already.

But it could also be something like run here, tp there, grab that, craft one of those

From what stated on

http://www.presidentofvirtualreality.com/

It's basicly 2 things. Maintain and "craft" teleport systems, and defend Teleporter from AI attacks.

Go down and read how the "conscription" would work :)

And looking on how fast MA develops new things, we will prob be stuck with those two for a really long time before seeing anything new :)
 
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

There are 69 countries where minimum legal wage is lower than $1/hour.

There are 114 countries where minimum legal wage is lower than $2.5/hour.

There are 134 countries where minimum legal wage is lower than $5/hour.

In comparison, there are only 22 countries where minimum legal wage is higher than $5/hour.

Just to have a larger view...
 
Everybody's good with new and original ways how to spend money.
The problem is always the other side of the equation. If nobody generates the wealth the system only works until every penny is spent... and then breaks down.
Cold war was won not because capitalist economy created a better more fair wealth redistribution system. Soviet Union had it much more fair and equal - but it didn't matter.

The paid slave labor could be an immense blast if the jobs they do would actually create new value. New resources, services, anything that has a demand and thus can be measured in $$. This is the Magical Unicorn, the missing link that completes the circle and makes it work.

Start with the Unicorn. If u find it, the rest is walk in the park.
Can't find it? Stop daydreaming, do something useful instead.



Without Unicorns the only resource you can sell in entertainment industry is entertainment. Want to survive in this business? Stop fooling around and concentrate on the main task.
- How can I create more entertainment value with less cost?
- How can I create more durable content that doesn't lose it's value over time as fast?
Those are the questions that will make you or break you. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors.
 
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

There are 69 countries where minimum legal wage is lower than $1/hour.

There are 114 countries where minimum legal wage is lower than $2.5/hour.

There are 134 countries where minimum legal wage is lower than $5/hour.

In comparison, there are only 22 countries where minimum legal wage is higher than $5/hour.

Just to have a larger view...


So if I understand this correctly, it will bring more players into the game from countries that can not afford to play the game, and the players that can afford to play the game will be subsiding wages for people in other countries? and obviously some will profit off this system.
 
This isn't a job. It's tax relief.

Shoot robots for 1 hour costing 50PED, receive 10PED. You're getting 20% tax relief.

Not even counting for the capital cost of a computer, and the electricity to run that computer.
 
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country

There are 69 countries where minimum legal wage is lower than $1/hour.

There are 114 countries where minimum legal wage is lower than $2.5/hour.

There are 134 countries where minimum legal wage is lower than $5/hour.

In comparison, there are only 22 countries where minimum legal wage is higher than $5/hour.

Just to have a larger view...

I highly doubt someone in Guinea-Bassau or Afghanistan is interested in playing a RCE video game. This is an entertainment product for those with disposable income - it will be a net loss to perform a job on EU.
 
Hmm

So if I understand this correctly, it will bring more players into the game from countries that can not afford to play the game, and the players that can afford to play the game will be subsiding wages for people in other countries? and obviously some will profit off this system.

I see what you're saying and it could definitely go that way, only people being paid to play and everything being siphoned from regular depoers so that their PEDs do not go as far as they do today.

A possibility I see is in the beginning, this will be the case due to the teleporter fee. However, once (and this is only a possibility, it may never see the light of day) EU as a whole catches on and the population substantially increases because people play for the $2.50, maybe that will draw people from other games to it. I know I was not drawn to EU originally (my focus has shifted since 2011) by the thought of working for $2.50 an hour, BUT, to profit and do this as a full time job making good money ($10-$15/hr by my then standards). Say we have all these players attracting attention to the game and some of those gamers make new accounts and start EU because they see the idea I originally had (and many others I assume, before we all found out the true nature of this game, I.E. that $10-$15 an hour would be very hard [not impossible] and only someone like girts could do), and they deposit and use the services offered by the hourly workers (whatever those may be? faster tp's, transferring goods between planets etc,.).

There will be many more people in the game and lead to higher MU's on certain items. Items easily attained by the hourly worker will see decreases in MU but with all these new players things only higher skilled players can get will become sought after (Not a good example, but look at A101 Amp; it has increased dramatically in price because of new players imho).

I think this game will always thrive on people depositing to skill and gear up to try and turn a profit from this game or increase their profits from this game. Getting people to deposit is important. More players, more opportunity, and a larger economy may do that. For us that is good, because you all know this game is zero sum. The only money you are ever going to make is MU from another player.
 
Re. low-wage countries: They would still need to get themselves a computer with capable specs, which, save for taxes and import duties, costs roughly the same everywhere. Machines available through subsidized programs are seldom of suitable power to play 3D games. The next problem is internet access. In some such countries I have travelled or know people. They often solve their internet stuff by sharing in the family, go to internet cafés, at school or sometimes at the workplace. None of this is viable if you need your own time for long hours many days. They still need to get their hands on a bare minimum of, say, $600-$700 to get started at all. Will they be able to work that off inside of the game within reasonable time? If so, I doubt I want to pay the resulting fees...
 
Re. low-wage countries: They would still need to get themselves a computer with capable specs, which, save for taxes and import duties, costs roughly the same everywhere. Machines available through subsidized programs are seldom of suitable power to play 3D games. The next problem is internet access. In some such countries I have travelled or know people. They often solve their internet stuff by sharing in the family, go to internet cafés, at school or sometimes at the workplace. None of this is viable if you need your own time for long hours many days. They still need to get their hands on a bare minimum of, say, $600-$700 to get started at all. Will they be able to work that off inside of the game within reasonable time? If so, I doubt I want to pay the resulting fees...

I don't know about other countries, but my country (Romania, member of European Union) fits under the category where legal minimum wage is between $1 and $2.5.

My Internet line (+cable TV +landline phone with unlimited national calls) with 200Mb download, 100 Mb upload, 99.9% guaranteed uptime plus a few other features (like free installment, free router, free tablet, first three months free of first six months at half cost) costs $15 per month (only Internet line would have been $9 per month). No need to share or go to internet cafes, schools or anything like that.

My computer is a 12 years old computer (single core processor, 2 GB RAM, GT430 video card) and it runs EU just fine (true, not on high settings, but it runs with 40+ FPS constantly and hardly ever crashes); a refurbished similar computer (even slightly better) could be bought (legally, from a company) online for less than $100.

So someone from Romania could get herself started on this with an investment of about $200, including the cost of the Internet line for a full year.

* Offered links not to promote them, but just to prove my numbers; they are even not the cheapest options we have available in Romania, but just what I use *
 
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I live in one of the wealthiest countries of Europe.. and we have current minimum wages:

Wettelijk bruto minimumjeugdloon vanaf 1 januari 2016
Leeftijd
duration: 36 uur 38 uur 40 uur
15 € 2,94 € 2,78 € 2,64
16 € 3,38 € 3,20 € 3,04
17 € 3,87 € 3,66 € 3,48
18 € 4,45 € 4,22 € 4,01
19 € 5,14 € 4,87 € 4,62
20 € 6,02 € 5,70 € 5,41
21 € 7,09 € 6,72 € 6,38
22 € 8,31 € 7,87 € 7,48
23+ € 9,78 € 9,26 € 8,80

note: this is before tax deduction.. We have a nice social security system, which we pay by deducting at least 33% income tax (more if you earn more).
 
ah the JOB
will we get all papers needed for our RL Tax to fill in Other incomes:scratch2:
 
It still amaze my his random ramblings gets so much attention?? :scratch2:
It's just his fantasy vision daydreaming.
 
So someone from Romania could get herself started on this with an investment of about $200, including the cost of the Internet line for a full year.

That's still 200 hours work of your country's minimum wage. Translated to the minimum wage I could earn in the UK, £7.20 (over 25), at 200 hours, is £1,440 ($2077). That's a massive amount for someone to spend on an entertainment product.

200 hours is also 5 working weeks of wages, without spending anything on life essentials (rent, food, bills, transport). Then you have the fact (and in due course it will be a fact) that to earn the PEDs in-game, you will have to spend more money. So this person is spending 2, 3, 4, 5 times his/her hourly wage to earn 1 hour's wage.

It doesn't make any sense to relate this to low-income people.
 
From what stated on

http://www.presidentofvirtualreality.com/

It's basicly 2 things. Maintain and "craft" teleport systems, and defend Teleporter from AI attacks.

Go down and read how the "conscription" would work :)

And looking on how fast MA develops new things, we will prob be stuck with those two for a really long time before seeing anything new :)

My god the man is so full of himself.

Wait... My bad I meant,

My Jon NEVERDIE Jacobs is so full of himself

I can't believe I got the two mixed up. God is clearly does not match up.

Assuming there is one besides NEVERDIE.
 
My god the man is so full of himself.

Wait... My bad I meant,

My Jon NEVERDIE Jacobs is so full of himself

I can't believe I got the two mixed up. God is clearly does not match up.

Assuming there is one besides NEVERDIE.

Please, let's be a little more formal. Presdient of virtual reality and visionary entrepreneur Jon NEVERDIE Jacobs is going to create more jobs than there are people in Europe (before 2020) - this man should be showed the respect he deserves! :rolleyes:

Instead of wasting time with the following:

  • Absurd sound bites
  • Wasting time creating a presidential seal and a coin with your own face on...
  • Peddling some ludicrous teleportation fee idea

Why not actually do something useful such as:

  • Use your "A-list" status to market EU to the wider gaming community (Entropia-Life doesn't count)
  • Help to improve certain aspects of the game. For example, crafting EP.IV could become an (L) blueprint to help stimulate mining and hunting that could bring back some acceptable MU back to these professions.
  • Convince MA to develop a secure way for players to loan items to other players with zero risk of being scammed.
 
Please, let's be a little more formal. Presdient of virtual reality and visionary entrepreneur Jon NEVERDIE Jacobs is going to create more jobs than there are people in Europe (before 2020) - this man should be showed the respect he deserves! :rolleyes:

Instead of wasting time with the following:

  • Absurd sound bites
  • Wasting time creating a presidential seal and a coin with your own face on...
  • Peddling some ludicrous teleportation fee idea

Why not actually do something useful such as:

  • Use your "A-list" status to market EU to the wider gaming community (Entropia-Life doesn't count)
  • Help to improve certain aspects of the game. For example, crafting EP.IV could become an (L) blueprint to help stimulate mining and hunting that could bring back some acceptable MU back to these professions.
  • Convince MA to develop a secure way for players to loan items to other players with zero risk of being scammed.

And to think that he thinks he's like Trump.:scratch2: Well, true he is building that wall around himself and kicking us out.

Anyway I'm still sticking with Ted Neverdie Cruz --- it just sounds better.
 
ah the JOB
will we get all papers needed for our RL Tax to fill in Other incomes:scratch2:

I asked pretty much the same question in another thread.

Seriously ... after MA put in so much effort making sure that playing Entropia is not officially regarded as gambling, why would they want to create the impression of officially employing thousands of people across the world and paying them within their RCE?

I think that playing around with the terminology of 'jobs', 'employment', 'payment' etc. is a really bad idea and should be ditched asap.
 
(double post on accident, sorry)
 
Promoting socialism is against forum rules ;)
if ND & the Pres is gonna pay minimum wage, what's Mindark gonna do when worldwide the acceptable minimum wage goes up. If they are throwing terms around like that won't they have to at least use the whatever the 'standard' minimum wage is in the Country that the servers are sitting in?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_by_country
in Sweden the law provides for the right of workers to form and join independent unions to bargain wages collectively, and it prohibits antiunion discrimination.
 
I just dont see what right ND has to put out press releases, he has made a website
promoting his plan.
Did he consult with everyone before doing this? What he does affects everyone from the
other planet partners to deed holders... and lastly players.
He should change it to Virtual Dictator or create a new game or system that uses
the MA platform.

When MA did the Caly deeds for the cash injection, following that, they have to split the profits that
they did not have share prior. That reduced the income for themselves, how has it been made up?
EX bp, shrap? They have to make twice as much money to end up with the same
revenue stream they had prior to the Caly deeds, for themselves.
TPs are part of the game, to decide on behalf of everyone that he will implement a new tax to play
the game, you may as well just ask for a monthly fee on top of regular deposits to play the game.

How many ways can you cut the same pie before you have nothing but crumbs.
 
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