They take all my money

I'm thinking of this game as a just a more honest mmo. doesn't matter if I manage to break even in the course of my 10-year plan, I certainly will have had more fun playing this than wow or any such mainstream mmo

It is mainstream now...did u miss the pets and boxes ?

What I do not know:
- How to get super crazy rich from EU everyday.
- Become a chosen avatar; j/k.


What I do know:
- We decay in EU & IRL.
- The weather is very nice outside and suggest checking it out.


There are always times that we would all love to make a nice big profit, but there are days to know the wisdom to just step back or relax & have fun as well when lootious abandons you, lol. Knowing this, besides MU is king, is important & not knowing this then you're subjected to the same crux/ideals such as paying more/extra taxes you could say than those who do know.

Rocket192 said:

Profit looks like this:

TT loot + markup loot = greater than or equal to 90% of TT cost + markup cost.


If you are not getting this then you are losing. There's really no easier way to say it. Some people are okay with losing a bit as the entertainment is well worth the cost, others are not. It really depends on how you view EU. Some view it as an investment platform, and others as an MMO.

Markup is king.. Both in cost and in loot. This should be the first lesson every noob learns.

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The problem here is that you get what, 2-3% in markup from loot. The rest 7-8% is pure loss. The stupid players have ruined the markups when they undermine eachothers auction prices all the time.

Valle said:

The problem here is that you get what, 2-3% in markup from loot. The rest 7-8% is pure loss. The stupid players have ruined the markups when they undermine eachothers auction prices all the time.

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so, the REAL in the Real Cash Economy took over... the experiment known as Project Entropia has come to near full fruition... still a couple of years before the ultimate conclusion is arrived at... (that all of us silly people that pay for pixels are really quite foolishly wasting money, time and other resources, lol... but we love doing it.)

dey take me maaney..dey take me gyal...dey take me juju doll...bloodfire bumboclats...

Valle said:

The problem here is that you get what, 2-3% in markup from loot. The rest 7-8% is pure loss. The stupid players have ruined the markups when they undermine eachothers auction prices all the time.

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There is an option to aim at higher MU loots than 2-3%

Check auction, what got good MU atm.
Then check where you can get that high MU.
Then grab your gear and get the high MU.

Easy as that, or just buy a ton of ammo --> grind some big ass mob way above your level and hope for ATH, what is very unlike to happen (welcome at the loosers side)

GoNi said:

Check auction, what got good MU atm.
Then check where you can get that high MU.
Then grab your gear and get the high MU.

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Too much work. I just want to grind iron mission atrox and get rich, sorry.

Fiona Simmons said:

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I lose money too in Eu constantly but i value my entertainment against it and figured how much i can spend without feeling bad. I have a blast playing EU because its hard to feel excitment in any other mmo these days. They all became dull and streamlined and sometimes it feels like EU is the last big adventure thats left, something good from the past that isn't yet destroyed because it try to please everyone and everything.

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So well said!

OK, to be fair, time to time something new and interesting appears out there, but after a month or 2 it gets old and your back to square one. What's worst, right from the start you know everything you build up, all your efforts and expenses will only last for a moment. Eventually it will all be lost, joining the graveyard of all the games you've played in the past.
But EU is still there when you return, has been for 15 years now and most likely will be a long time... the closest thing to a permanent "home base" you can have in this ever changing online world.

EU is what it is, we all agree it should not be so damn greedy, it should be much cheaper to play and many development decisions prolly weren't the best choices possible. Yes it's a stern and unforgiving world that requires so much discipline and the moment you let your guard down it can rob you blind... Then again, this extreme challenge in a way is prolly one of it's greatest charms.

I'm steadily losing for a few months now, if it makes you feel better. Could have easily chosen something less expensive but figured I can afford to skill up faster, for a while.
Many ppl among those few who're really successful have their losing streaks. Nobody's permanently safe, nothing's guaranteed. You wouldn't really want it any other way.

GoNi said:

Check auction, what got good MU atm.
Then check where you can get that high MU.
Then grab your gear and get the high MU.

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easy game...

but first u need to invest a lot to analyse the whole lootpool from diffrent mobs
(thyroid oil has good MU but the droprate is maybe 10% -- with 110% MU you will get 1% per run)

gl to find a mob with 7-8% MU

I'm not going to post in any such thread again ever!
From the moment I wrote here, my loot and my returns turned to.... "hell"! Like somebody cursed me
/OP If this makes you to feel better and understand you are not the only one.

ZPF said:

Too much work. I just want to grind iron mission atrox and get rich, sorry.

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I also want to do so in Ghost+5B because I don't like to get hurt, having at least three mobs on me at all times because I don't like to run around. As for that 13% decay bill, my socmates who have deposited for eleventy years say defense cost is returned in loot because FAiRNeSS!!1!, and if it doesn't get returned, it means cheaters and exploiters took ALL ThE LoOTZ!!1!, therefore we must ban all the people in countries to the east and/or south from me.

/sarc

messi91 said:

Once upon a time I had a small coffee shop and then Starbucks open a big shop very close, guess what happened after 2 months?
I wasn't aware of that time when I did open the shop of www.entropialife.com I thought my coffee is very good and it will sell because my mentor told me if you learn how to make good coffee it will sell very fast for some profit.Where is my profit?
Welcome to the Universe.

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starbucks had to shut down cause their coffee is waaaay too expensive?

and all the complaining is ridiculous. ma's careless and rather lazy attitude might be bad, but there are other game developers that are 10 times worse AND GET AWAY WITH IT cause their fanboys lap up every different buff over a monster's head and every completely useless cosmetic microtransaction like it's the greatest thing ever, all while common complaints aren't even acknowledged by the devs.

Entropia Universe doesn't have brainless fanboys, and you actually get value back for the money you put in. show me even 1 other game that accomplishes that!

I have tried a lot of different things and it seems that I am not one of the luckiest guys here but if I make deposit or not is just on me. Find your way or leave. I personally just hope for the lucky punch I maybe get one day.
The only thing what disturbs me is the luck a nooby can have like today with 19k hof and his overall is just 22k on tracker "GZ by the way" (and I am not complaining to him) and make a comparison with the second place on hof list with 17k. In all the years I have played I just got onetime this luck and it even did not cover the loss I did until.
That is so much luck it makes me sick and MA should do something because me as a depositor pay for them and make loss every day. Sure you gonna tell me change here do that blabla ..... but it is all about gambling in my opinion.

Think about.

Sry for my poor English and I am not scared now to get less return for my post because less is not possible haha.

I always laugh at the people on this forum who actually believe that profiting is easy and only takes "dedication" or "selling For Markup" or even pretend to have some sort of silly system.

For Mindark to stay in business, and for a few to profit, and even less to get a big ass HOF, Most must lose.
It's that simple. MA doesn't print cash.

Play to have fun and stick to a budget

~CHOPPER~ said:

I always laugh at the people on this forum who actually believe that profiting is easy and only takes "dedication" or "selling For Markup" or even pretend to have some sort of silly system.

For Mindark to stay in business, and for a few to profit, and even less to get a big ass HOF, Most must lose.
It's that simple. MA doesn't print cash.

Play to have fun and stick to a budget

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"If I can't do it, no one can!!"

Am I right? Grade school logic ftw.

Plenty of people are playing this game with your mindset, ready to lose every PED they deposit. Plenty are playing uneco, not even trying to chase markup, etc. That leaves a lot of opportunities for people that decide to play with the opposite mindset.

You won't be able to quit your day job, and it won't be very much fun. But I laugh at the people who think it's impossible to make consistent profit, simply because they and their friends can't figure it out.

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Am I right? .

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No dummy, you're not right.
You make many foolish assumptions from my statement.

And, I laugh at your silly reply

I heard something about mindark not having brainless fanboys...

Rocket192 said:

I've given people some details about a good mining location and then watched the fragile market (1k TT on auction at a time) for the resource crash 3-4% each week for months.

Never again.


To OP: like $5 said, show logs and explain your results or stop whining. No one ever profits TT-wise in the long run. And if you buy big guns with no skills and go hunt TT trash or go mine with big amps for some mega ATH then only you're to blame for you losing.

People do profit. I've done extremely well for myself in EU. Sure I still deposit every now and then to buy boxes and stuff. But I pull out more than I put in. It's called be smart and do your research.

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message me, because 5-6 years in game I've yet to pull out (bad joke) or even come close to thinking about it. I've tried so many things people suggested and never see even a sustainable 99%

TeesMaarKhan said:

They are not noobs or new real players..they are whats called internal avatars made to empty the loot pool...

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Right. Go tell that to eSoul, $5, Taco and Alan Krom Alan...

You are trying, I can tell but you can never beat that story from this crazy guy (I forget the name, mastermesh just posted the link recently), who explained in great detail how he 1st entered the game and all the avatars that were there in Port Atlantis all around him were actually MA employees. The were offering to sell things only to drive up the market prices. He saw right through this elaborate plot. I think at one point he even said there was no real players, only him and those fake avatars created by MA.
Just give it up, u can never beat the real pros of this great genre!

TeesMaarKhan said:

If Anyone who believes luck is involved in this place is very very wrong...this place is a pre programmed manually manipulated casino...you cant even call it a casino as in a casino you have way way more better chances of winning..Noobs getting big ones, luck, are you crazy

seriously...You honestly believe in that nonsense...They are not noobs or new real players..they are whats called internal avatars made to empty the loot pool...it takes over 3 months for a withdrawal..why do you think that is..because every time their is a withdrawal they have to gather that money up from player losses and then pay out..they are not paying out from their saved up or made money...

were in 2016 bank to bank takes 2ish hours within same country foreign maybe a few days...this lot 3 months...go on make something up to satisfy your own mind and thoughts...

and you think they are giving noobs out big hofs...if you spent a little time here and start putting the pieces together it all makes sense but when you throw out sense to people it hurts just like the truth does..then the theories and tin foils nonsense comes out because the butt hurt from the truth cant be handled...

go on deposit some more buy new gear take out a bank loan got to get 600k skills and be level 200 in every profession i'm sure the ATH will come its all about luck..dont GIVE up is the moto...don't worry about the above their just mistakes we all make mistakes right were all human...That's a good boy.

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You said what ive been thinking for a while now. I just doesnt add up. A company that is doing every withdrawal by hand and running to bank, leaving 10k usd and 20k usd ath happen by luck. To me it doesnt go with mindset they are showing. Ofc i got no way of proving this so i stayed quiet on this matter but + rep to you for saying it.

Fifth said:

Right. Go tell that to eSoul, $5, Taco and Alan Krom Alan...

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Thats a good one...I wasn't saying that every avatar is a MA internal..I was referring to the odd new one that comes along and bam big ATH..which is there for a reason...the reason being, giving a false sense of hope...and to empty the loot pool and mostly advertisement

Oh nub can do it i been here so long with so many deposits i'm nearly there mine due any day, keep on going dont give up now your this far down the line, what if you give up now and tomorrow is your big day....no no one more one more just one more.... na maybe tomorrow was just bad luck lets try today...

and then you have the calculators..who go round telling fire 50k shots then add that multiplied to bla bla square root to your 10 years of being here and your only down 10% of what you spent so not bad....They themselves are delusional who just don't want to admit the fuckeroo their involved in as if the did they'd drop dead on the spot..so their just hanging on to dear life....cos these are the ones who have mortgaged their house wife kids their life to get to 600k+ skills and great grand wizard of batutu land master laser weapon level

Then you have.... No offence guys, the guys you mentioned specially the ones who have big assets in game as soon as they cry and put shit up for sale bam Big one( How many times has this happened) abit too many to be a coincidence right?...why because its worth MA to pay them to stay and shut up and then take all that back over a period of time...as it gives them time to deal with other shit which their already on trying to handle... than not to pay and they withdraw...something MA doesn't have and cant pay in return they have to turn loot even into shit to recoup all that as mentioned earlier to pay out hence the 3 month withdrawal period....

You can think all is fine and dandy and keep stfu and worry about what people might think of you if you spoke out what you think and what just might be the truth ...or you can use own common sense and logic and intelligence and work things out..Your not stupid..your made to be stupid by the system and society....and most of all the fcukturds in the place your hanging around in who are lost themselves trying to make you lose too...as they cant handle the pressure alone..lets take the next man down with us...

Picture this

A multi million dollar company

has clients (some with big investments some with small)

1: Clients with big investments aka physical in game assets that can be withdrawn need to be looked after as if they pull out and withdraw the company looses and it impacts a lot which they cant sustain (so they must be looked after...keep leading them on until they snap and become a risk then throw them a bone)

2: Clients with Big deposits and investments in game as above but that have been spent but have no actual assets so cant withdraw any big amounts as they have mostly spent it away they don't need to be look after as whether they stay or leave it doesn't matter doesn't impact the company they just pay for clients above to be looked after..

3: Clients with small investments such as a few k ped please see scenario 2

This is what this company is no different to a real physical real world business or company...So now you know where you are and stand...The newbs with big ones are just a form of advertisement and the old timers as they cry and get a big one please see scenario 1 their just trying to keep them put and happy that's all...no luck no chances no nothing...its as simple as that.

Its business thats all it is.

Could you walk into a company in the real world without any assets or rep and start making money for free without putting anything in and having solid assets nope so why in the world would you think this is any different...

The only difference between them and this company is, as everything is physical everything needs to be transparent so less chances of fraud, favoring and covering it all up... while here its all software manually manipulated and things adjusted and people favored much much more until someone pops over to investigate or audit... wiht a click of a button reset everything ..oh look its all fair settings for everyone...everyone is getting same loot same everything...

TeesMaarKhan said:

I heard something about mindark not having brainless fanboys...

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yes, people are very critical of mindark and the system. which is a good thing. mindark could do a much better job.

but like I said, I used to play online games religiously where the developers did a MUCH worse job - and I'm glad I finally tore myself away from those games!

LMTR14 said:

yes, people are very critical of mindark and the system. which is a good thing. mindark could do a much better job.

but like I said, I used to play online games religiously where the developers did a MUCH worse job - and I'm glad I finally tore myself away from those games!

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Conspiracy theories with no evidence to support them is not "being critical". It's pure stupidity.

Unfortunately that's mostly what we see around here. Especially around migration

There is plenty of extra decay going out to pay out those ATHs. There is no reason to believe in the secret Illuminati Mindark avatars.

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Conspiracy theories with no evidence to support them is not "being critical". It's pure stupidity.

Unfortunately that's mostly what we see around here. Especially around migration

There is plenty of extra decay going out to pay out those ATHs. There is no reason to believe in the secret Illuminati Mindark avatars.

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You are right that these are just conspiracy theories and only because we can never check the software. So far no proof, thats for sure. I can only say that as a human being i get that gut feeling when something is not right. Again gut feeling is no proof either but thru my life it was right too many times to ignore it.

I know this post deserves criticism but thats how i feel about this.

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Conspiracy theories with no evidence to support them is not "being critical". It's pure stupidity.

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I didn't mean this thread in particular, but the overall atmosphere on this forum (and to some extent the in-game chat)

TheLastKnight said:

You are bitter. I'm biased with my latest uberness....but I have to say, it took YEARS to get here. The fact that I've been fortunate has nothing to do with conspiracy theories and all that jibberish that everyone spews on forum... I tried, over and over and over and over and over again. I got lucky, and I hope to get lucky again as my EU time goes on. I've always gotten bitter when everyone else ubered, but yet, I'm still here....still trying. After all my depo's, here I am, 3 ATH's with the last one giving me the chance at playing for FUN! No stress, just fun. This is what I came for, and now I don't have to worry about it. FUN.

If you don't enjoy EU, leave. When I came into EU, there were red flags to the "dangers" of this game, but I took them for what they were, bitter people with bitter experiences. I will admit, many of my past friends have had the bitterness overwhelm them and they left...but I'm still here, looking forward to more of EU. I'll keep on keeping on, and so will the ATNI-MA rants. Just saying there's opportunity for those that try and try again. Remember, don't put in more than you can afford, and you won't be disappointed. .

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I wont say i'm bitter but i will say i'm a bit pissed off not on that fact i lost money, as money comes and goes i have 2 successful businesses and a job that pays very handsomely i'm making way more than i was 10 years ago so no complaints in that department..but the wasted time 10 years because of false hope and lies...a charade a fraud that's what this is hence i speak out of my 10 years experience...you ath'ng keep on ath'ng good for you, i'm happy for you...best genuine honest advice..withdraw 3 quarters of it leave one quarter and have some fun. maybe you might ATH again

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since i'm busy whining, that you understand, but what i don't understand is... your spending just as much time here as me...doesn't make sense..arnt you one of those MA's fan boys heavily profiting and breaking even and defending this bullshit...Oh wait i forgot it was Brainless fanboys...sorry my bad. All makes sense now.

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Except your sole purpose on this forum is to whine and pitch your nonsensical theories. And when called out on your lack of evidence, you naturally resort to name-calling because that's all you really seem to be capable of.

TeesMaarKhan said:

since i'm busy whining, that you understand, but what i don't understand is... your spending just as much time here as me...doesn't make sense..arnt you one of those MA's fan boys heavily profiting and breaking even and defending this bullshit...Oh wait i forgot it was Brainless fanboys...sorry my bad. All makes sense now.

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TeesMaarKhan said:

I wont say i'm bitter but i will say i'm a bit pissed off not on that fact i lost money, as money comes and goes i have 2 successful businesses and a job that pays very handsomely i'm making way more than i was 10 years ago so no complaints in that department..but the wasted time 10 years because of false hope and lies...a charade a fraud that's what this is hence i speak out of my 10 years experience...you ath'ng keep on ath'ng good for you, i'm happy for you...best genuine honest advice..withdraw 3 quarters of it leave one quarter and have some fun. maybe you might ATH again

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Just 'cause u not being smart 'nuff to profit here doesnt mean game is 'rigged'. I never ATH'd but im making 'nuff ingame to cover RL

ZPF said:

Except your sole purpose on this forum is to whine and pitch your nonsensical theories. And when called out on your lack of evidence, you naturally resort to name-calling because that's all you really seem to be capable of.

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Looking at this post it clearly shows your just blowing steam from your ass like the rest of the talkers who claim to be calling out others and pretending to be smart as if they have achieved so much

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/...-time-player-looking-for-a-mentor!&highlight=

In 10 years you aint played and neither have deposited and are no where near skill level what i am and here you are barking away MR TRADER at how sucessfull you are...Now i know why your so pissed off.. you just pissed off at the falling prices and you loosing and worried more about people like me who speak up and just might make new comers see sense and not buy shit and old timers ain't buying shit and are busy selling their gear as they already know what the hell is going on....and this is where you get fcuked MR TRADER.

Have a lovely day nub TRADER...you called me out i delivered. Enjoy

I'm out everyone ATH AWAY...weeeeee

Piotr said:

Just 'cause u not being smart 'nuff to profit here doesnt mean game is 'rigged'. I never ATH'd but im making 'nuff ingame to cover RL

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oh and piotr i'm sure you are.. 3rd world eastern European countries 10 ped profit a day pays for 3 meals a day for the whole family...so yes i believe you 100% don't give up buddy.