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TeesMaarKhan said:
Have a lovely day nub TRADER...you called me out i delivered. Enjoy
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Some life advice - learn to put away your ego. Making personal attacks and talking about how awesome you are just make you appear pathetic. Being a failure in EU is nothing to be ashamed of. It's just a game.

Once you learn to do that, we can have a civil discussion on the facts. You will make more friends this way, less people will think you're a moron, and something productive might actually result from the conversation.
 
TeesMaarKhan said:
oh and piotr i'm sure you are.. 3rd world eastern European countries 10 ped profit a day pays for 3 meals a day for the whole family...so yes i believe you 100% don't give up buddy.
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Almost the correct numbers, multiply that by 70 n u got a correct figure. But again... what to expect? U know all the facts (about MA, EU and ME! :D )
 
ZPF said:
Some life advice - learn to put away your ego. Making personal attacks and talking about how awesome you are just make you appear pathetic. Being a failure in EU is nothing to be ashamed of. It's just a game.

Once you learn to do that, we can have a civil discussion on the facts. You will make more friends this way, less people will think you're a moron, and something productive might actually result from the conversation.
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Oh its ego now that you called me out and i delivered..whats next?...at least stick to something...No let me guess he who stands for nothing falls for......i will let you fill this bit in...

you run your mouth call me out and when your balls get busted now you talk about having a civil conversation...

Your pathetic.
 
Why does people believe in conspiracy theories? Paradoxically, it gives a sense of control. People hate randomness. So as a mechanism against this, it turns out it is much easier to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame instead, it's not just the horrible, dreadful randomness. Laboratory research has even found that inducing anxiety or loss of control triggers respondents to see nonexistent patterns and evoke conspirational explanations.

Heck, this is the same psychology that created the need for religion among human beings in the first place.

A common trait among conspiracy theorists is the need to constantly expand the conspiracy as new evidence comes to light. So I think we can just as well leave Tees be, we ain't getting nowhere with this.
 
Enough time of the day spent here...enjoy your profits and ATH's have a lovely day and see you all again soon.
 
UnaAlconbury said:
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It's a human trait called apophenia, we are designed by nature to look for patterns because, among many other things (of course), it gives us a huge evolutionary advantage over other higher primates.

Sadly the side effects are the crafting of convoluted theories around less than ideal "facts", from a scientific point of view. Religion, for example, is one of the offsprings of this behavioural trait that pushes humans to fill the gaps in everything around us. Even when we fill them with incoherent information.

It's pretty cool, I didn't know it. Just happen to have watched a documentary about it a few days ago.

You guys can go on with namecalling and theories now, sorry to interrupt.
 
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Angel O2 Mercer said:
It's a human trait called apophenia, we are designed by nature to look for patterns because, among many other things (of course), it gives us a huge evolutionary advantage over other higher primates.
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There's a strange hustle in the bushes. Is it a lion out there or just a wind?
The primate that thinks it's a lion will survive. 9 times out of 10 he runs away for nothing but in the end, he survives.
The other primate who thinks oh that's just a wind won't live long enough to give offspring.

It's a natural selection, our brains are programmed to see connections where they don't exist. It doesn't mean there's never a lion behind the bush, it only means most of the time it's just a wind... :)
 
ZPF said:
Making personal attacks just make you appear pathetic
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That's an ironic statement you made there...:laugh:

You're an idiot, and I'm still laughing at you :laugh:
 
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It's weird how people think.

Some people are luckier than others. Others are smarter, some might be choosen and other are more hard workers. Some are jealouse also. It's normal.

To those who have some hate or jealousy, or look at the people at top with... hate? Know that they sacrifice some of their RL for the success in the game. So if you look at the complete picture, u may find them not having job or low income in RL, problems with family or so. Its about the choise and priority they made/make.

Perhaps you are more lucker than some of them in RL due to work and more income than what you would ever get in game, have a house, car etc.

I remember when browsing my old global screenshots, that I were cursing and screamign in chat. Raging when loosing and such. The difference were when you build your self up to a point where u don't mind 'loosing' were the change for me to calm down untill this day. I now many years later look at those Pictures and laugh at my self. So I can understand if some of you do it.

Tips, find your change point where it would make you calm down. Wether it is lower depo, no depo, have fun, help people, chat. Just change your attitude to the game and im sure you will see a difference.

Look at the whole picture and take a deep breath guys. Not worth fighting for such... It's just a game.

Wait, its more than a game.

Happy Eid to those who celebrates!:dunce:

(Hey, where is my Eid ring?!)
 
TeesMaarKhan said:
Enough time of the day spent here...enjoy your profits and ATH's have a lovely day and see you all again soon.
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No. No they won't.
 
~CHOPPER~ said:
That's an ironic statement you made there...:laugh:

You're an idiot, and I'm still laughing at you :laugh:
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... Good for you? Criticizing your childish and annoying post is not the same thing as insulting you as a person.

Nice to know that you care so much about me I guess.

P.s, neg rep me all you want if it makes you feel better. Your hurt feelings are not my problem.
 
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Damn missed all the fun. Welp, good riddens. 1 down, a few more to go.
 
ZPF said:
... Good for you? Criticizing your childish and annoying post is not the same thing as insulting you as a person.

Nice to know that you care so much about me I guess.

P.s, neg rep me all you want if it makes you feel better. Your hurt feelings are not my problem.
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I'm still laughing at you :laugh:
 
I don't blame OP for wanting to vent, this game can become very frustrating when you are in a downswing. As everyone has said, MU is king. However, what many ubers may forget is that this is currently very difficult to achieve without a significant investment. All of the players I've spoken to that are profiting from hunting have thrown a lot of money into high end gear and have the skills to hunt the right mobs that drop high MU items (as well as the bankroll to cycle enough to achieve this). On the other end of the spectrum, there are also very low level mobs that drop high MU loot and you can eco-hunt them for (very slow) profit. It's the mid-level players that have the most difficult time trying to squeeze MU, since that's the bulk of the player base and those mobs are hunted the most frequently.


Everyone says MA is greedy. Well their financials are public, so let's have a look. They took on a large amount of debt for the CryEngine port, and have been operating at a loss ever since. 2015 was their first profitable year in a long time, and even that was only just barely.

Currently they have roughly 100mil in debt, and about 125mil in unconsumed player holdings. This is roughly 225mil of contingent liability. They only have around 45mil in total assets, only 5mil of which is liquid. 2015's profit was about 4mil. I'm no financial guru, but to me this can be summarized as: "We potentially owe 225mil, we have 5mil cash, and we currently profit close to nothing." I wouldn't call these "greedy" numbers, but it does show why it takes 3 months to withdraw - they don't actually have any money backing all of those expensive virtual assets you bought.

But, even though the company's numbers (as an entity) are not that good, here's an interesting one:

Personnel costs: SEK 22mil
Average employees: 34

22mil for 34 employees. That's an average cost of 650,000 per employee. In the US the personnel cost is typically around 1.5 times their salary, I have no idea what it is for Sweden; but let's just say it's double, that's still an average salary of 325,000 per employee. Obviously that's not what they are paying everyone, so it sounds to me like a couple of people in the company are making a LOT of money; meanwhile the company runs at a deficit.
 
syntax said:
I don't blame OP for wanting to vent, this game can become very frustrating when you are in a downswing. As everyone has said, MU is king. However, what many ubers may forget is that this is currently very difficult to achieve without a significant investment. All of the players I've spoken to that are profiting from hunting have thrown a lot of money into high end gear and have the skills to hunt the right mobs that drop high MU items (as well as the bankroll to cycle enough to achieve this). On the other end of the spectrum, there are also very low level mobs that drop high MU loot and you can eco-hunt them for (very slow) profit. It's the mid-level players that have the most difficult time trying to squeeze MU, since that's the bulk of the player base and those mobs are hunted the most frequently.


Everyone says MA is greedy. Well their financials are public, so let's have a look. They took on a large amount of debt for the CryEngine port, and have been operating at a loss ever since. 2015 was their first profitable year in a long time, and even that was only just barely.

Currently they have roughly 100mil in debt, and about 125mil in unconsumed player holdings. This is roughly 225mil of contingent liability. They only have around 45mil in total assets, only 5mil of which is liquid. 2015's profit was about 4mil. I'm no financial guru, but to me this can be summarized as: "We potentially owe 225mil, we have 5mil cash, and we currently profit close to nothing." I wouldn't call these "greedy" numbers, but it does show why it takes 3 months to withdraw - they don't actually have any money backing all of those expensive virtual assets you bought.

But, even though the company's numbers (as an entity) are not that good, here's an interesting one:

Personnel costs: SEK 22mil
Average employees: 34

22mil for 34 employees. That's an average cost of 650,000 per employee. In the US the personnel cost is typically around 1.5 times their salary, I have no idea what it is for Sweden; but let's just say it's double, that's still an average salary of 325,000 per employee. Obviously that's not what they are paying everyone, so it sounds to me like a couple of people in the company are making a LOT of money; meanwhile the company runs at a deficit.
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You're forgetting that this is not net salary for the employees... An employer in Sweden pays about 50% in taxes and fees on the money for employee salary. After that the employee pay another 30% tax ontop of that, so in fact the number MA has accounted is kinda low. I am surprised how low they are actually.
 
e-lite said:
You're forgetting that this is not net salary for the employees... An employer in Sweden pays about 50% in taxes and fees on the money for employee salary. After that the employee pay another 30% tax ontop of that, so in fact the number MA has accounted is kinda low. I am surprised how low they are actually.
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I accounted for that (that's why I halved the avg), and in fact I over-estimated since I assumed 100%. By your numbers they are paying 1.5x gross base instead of 2x. That puts the avg base salary at almost 500k. Yes I realize employees pay taxes, that's not really the point.
 
syntax said:
I accounted for that (that's why I halved the avg), and in fact I over-estimated since I assumed 100%. By your numbers they are paying 1.5x gross base instead of 2x. That puts the avg base salary at almost 500k. Yes I realize employees pay taxes, that's not really the point.
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Yes, I noticed. My reply was sloppy. My point stil stands, it's not a very high salary in the field for being Sweden. Also, you do know it's not dollars right? It's 500K Swedish Krona (Before tax) which is roughly 58K USD.
 
e-lite said:
Yes, I noticed. My reply was sloppy. My point stil stands, it's not a very high salary in the field for being Sweden. Also, you do know it's not dollars right? It's 500K Swedish Krona (Before tax) which is roughly 58K USD.
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Oh wow. Yes, I knew it was SEK, but I didn't realize the exchange was that different. You're right, that's a pretty dismal salary.

So that means not only is the company making no money, but neither are the employees. I would say MindArk as greedy evil empire is "myth busted".
 
e-lite said:
Yes, I noticed. My reply was sloppy. My point stil stands, it's not a very high salary in the field for being Sweden. Also, you do know it's not dollars right? It's 500K Swedish Krona (Before tax) which is roughly 58K USD.
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Sorry for the offtopic, but isn't ~500k SEK above average salery in Sweden? I wouldn't say it's bad...
It could perhaps be higher than average salery in the US too if im not wrong, but not sure.
 
TheRock said:
Sorry for the offtopic, but isn't ~500k SEK above average salery in Sweden? I wouldn't say it's bad...
It could perhaps be higher than average salery in the US too if im not wrong, but not sure.
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You guys keep forgetting about tax and fees.

22mil / 34 people = 647k / person
647k - 50%~ (company taxes) = 323k (before salery tax.)
323k - 30% (salery tax) = 227k (after taxes, seams very low)

This is all in SEK.
1 USD = 8,5~ SEK
 
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Dollymaus said:
I dont know taxes in sweden but this one seems way to high to be true?!
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there is one at 32% and on top of that some fees, in the end its roughly 50%.

(50% is what my dad told me who had/have few companies over the years)
 
Xpl0jd said:
there is one at 32% and on top of that some fees, in the end its roughly 50%.

(50% is what my dad told me who had/have few companies over the years)
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If 100 % is your salary before taxes then its very possible that your total costs for your employer is 132- 150 %, but you calculated with 200 % = twice your salary which seems clearly to much
 
Me to playing since about 10 years now or more with some little brakes in between because I was frustrated to much again and again and since my very first days I make always loss.
There are different ways to play as someone mentioned already MU, work hard to keep loss small, invest a lot to grab the best Eco stuff and so on. But I personally do not care about making profit because that is not fun for me and I just want to have fun as a hunter and I don't wont to invest to much to get the best Eco just to reduce my loss in some small % I just don't care a little bit of loss because I know MA is not running this game to make loss. So why I am again so frustrated is the fact that my return rate is in hell like never before. Well nowadays we have a new form of hell much deeper as in the old days :cry: and if you make loss of about 50% nearly every day just to have fun that is to much. I have no problem if MA says hey 10% we need to earn money and keep things running but I am not willing to accept that much.
How about the 96% return rate (or what ever it was) that long time ago MA told us will be in long run. Did I still not reach the long run after 10 years?
I don't care all the freakin theories and conspiracies. Last year I had a bad eco UL gun and did ok, still loss but hey it was fun and this year with a good eco gun (surely cost me much more) and all the new nice eco shit stuff I make more loss than ever.
I really don't know what is going on but that is all no more fun and maybe I change my equip soon so I don't need to put 1k $ every month in but maybe only 100$.

MA don't care me either. I spend the rest in a real casino with real chance to win.

Chears
 
why wasn't this thread closed already?
 
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