Space PVP War!

Was Xane's ban justified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 38.2%
  • No

    Votes: 36 47.4%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 11 14.5%

  • Total voters
    76
GTA doesnt have a real cash economy though... and also... this is not GTA is it?

CORRECT, real cash economy does not make game "not leggit to kill". It is still GAME, that apply game rules.

Both GTA and EU is not real life, and cant be applied by Real life Laws, or what laws you can apply to world wide game? Maybe south corea?

i bet i can find a country in far far aftica where it is legit to kill a person.

//mg
 
Space is lootable and pvping has been a profession now since Project Entropia so I do not see the reason why people should think it is "robbing". If so then Poker or other player vs player gambling platforms should be seen as robbing as well and should be illegal..

If Mindark banned the pirates for using exploits or glitch abuses it really piss me off. Because Mindark have never really banned or cared about planetside pvp exploits. Why then ban space pirates using glitches in the half-assed space system they have implemented?? :mad:
 
Space is lootable and pvping has been a profession now since Project Entropia so I do not see the reason why people should think it is "robbing". If so then Poker or other player vs player gambling platforms should be seen as robbing as well and should be illegal..

If Mindark banned the pirates for using exploits or glitch abuses it really piss me off. Because Mindark have never really banned or cared about planetside pvp exploits. Why then ban space pirates using glitches in the half-assed space system they have implemented?? :mad:

The thing that most gets me is when something is not an option in order to do something else.
In RL it would be like if I MUST play a round of poker to get from A to B. Space is not solely its own area of the game that you visit because you want to. It is literally the space you must go through to get from one planet to another.
Also, even in poker bets are called to the same stakes, or raised. Not so in EU space. I believe it to be wrong AND sloppy in its implementation. IF MA changed it so that all players were just that, namely players and not so easily labelled, then that would at least be a step forward.
But as I and many others have said, forced participation in order to switch planets is a big turn off, and probably plays a role in the non-growth of the overall platform.

On the second quoted paragraph: it is not even claimed that a glitch was used in this case. Heck, if speeding up were to have been used I might even almost cheer that the next part of the battle could start more quickly....:eyecrazy:
 
The thing that most gets me is when something is not an option in order to do something else.
In RL it would be like if I MUST play a round of poker to get from A to B. Space is not solely its own area of the game that you visit because you want to. It is literally the space you must go through to get from one planet to another.
Also, even in poker bets are called to the same stakes, or raised. Not so in EU space. I believe it to be wrong AND sloppy in its implementation. IF MA changed it so that all players were just that, namely players and not so easily labelled, then that would at least be a step forward.
But as I and many others have said, forced participation in order to switch planets is a big turn off, and probably plays a role in the non-growth of the overall platform.

On the second quoted paragraph: it is not even claimed that a glitch was used in this case. Heck, if speeding up were to have been used I might even almost cheer that the next part of the battle could start more quickly....:eyecrazy:

The 'option' is traveling with a privateer/mothership that is secure enough to get their passengers through space without them having to log - the reason why most ships out there have not been upgraded to such a security level is that it is not incentivised by mindark.
As long as ships can ferry people and cargo without having upgrades or crew just as well as those ships who have been upgraded and have an active gunner team and repaircrew - mindarks space concept wont work.
And the longer mindark waits with making it right the more players assume that the current bypassing of space is a gamemechanic they would be entitelt to have.
Nearly 5 years have passed since mindark stopped working on space and/or fixing issues related to their 'alpha implementation' - i dont know any other game out there were an alpha gets thrown at customers and they get left with their real cash in that 'bugged' environment for such a long time or were a company 'is fine' with their customers repeatedly leaving the game and doing something else to move their avatar to a different server.
You know you have missed the opportunity to excite your customers and make them talk about your product when they start watching tv while playing your game...or even worse 'not playing your game'...

The fault is not with pirates for trying to have an impact on transport services in an open pvp environment - in a working environment their shouldnt be the need to lock accounts for behaviours in pvp the only place were such meassures are in order is non-pvp cause in pvp the players should have the power to 'police' everything that needs to be dealt with themselfs.
 
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Agree with Jetsina most people having to go through pvp space to get to another planet is why people have hostility to pirates.

Some people also have memory of flying around unrestricted before it was made into pvp and they miss it perhaps.

As John points out one can travel safely through space using the services of warpships. For medium to bigger traders this works fine for new players starting out can be an expense difficult for them to absorb.
Also some people like excitement. They risk pvp space so they can boast that they got stuff past the pirates. Some people want thrill of maybe they going to lose their stuff. The adrenaline rush junkies would be sad if the pirates were no longer around.

As already noted space is not yet working as intended and this is making huge problems.
It is my guess much easier for Mind Ark to implement teleportation to other planets then to deal with this space war that gets fought in forums and support cases instead of in space as Mind Ark originally intended. I am expecting Mind Ark to get fed up one day and offer tp to other planets.
Players are getting fed up and the pressure to have teleportation as option to travel to other planets is building.

As already noted one does not have to invest much ped or time to be a successful pirate. So this will be annoying to some of us who do invest lots of ped and time to be good at what we do.
It must be very tempting for especially a new player to make choice spend 200 ped and a few weeks training OR spend years and several thousand peds and more to get good at something.

If Mind Ark does give in to steadily increasing demand for tp teleportation to other planets it is my hope that space will be kept so we can still hunt space mobs and do skilling runs.
 
Good posts by John and Yoshi there too - agreed!
MA don't seem to do well on complexity, among other things. However, if some functions/areas stop having a use for the platform overall, then are they worth developing? I would also prefer space to be got right rather than have inter-planetary tps put in. But it is also worse still to have space broken and yet still essential if you wish to switch planets.
 
Would like to see a space with 2 options. Option one, a short flight through pvp zone to planets (5-10 minute) and option twoo, a long flight (1h+) through no pvp zones. In option 2, you can not transport stackables.
Option 2 also content allien ships where start to attack you, at some places. Also it have space creatures and other interesting things.

With this options, ppl can choose a long way, maybe risky to get attacket by creatures and or allien ships, but is no lootable pvp.

Option1, lootable pvp, are small corridors to the planets and other destinations, where you flight fast, and also you can carry stackables. So you can risk a fast flight throught pvp. This would make the chance to attack for pirats more interesting, about corridors are more or less small. So more easy to dedect enemies. Warp is only possible in the lootable pvp.

Ok, just my idea about space.
 
CORRECT, real cash economy does not make game "not leggit to kill". It is still GAME, that apply game rules.

Both GTA and EU is not real life, and cant be applied by Real life Laws, or what laws you can apply to world wide game? Maybe south corea?

i bet i can find a country in far far aftica where it is legit to kill a person.

//mg

Correct. But we are not talking about this being a game, we are talking about this being a RCE were one CAN steal from others and then withdraw that money and turn it into RL cash. If this was not a RCE game then there would be no issue at all.
 
Correct. But we are not talking about this being a game, we are talking about this being a RCE were one CAN steal from others and then withdraw that money and turn it into RL cash. If this was not a RCE game then there would be no issue at all.


Yes! And MindArk - Game crator and rule maker , Made space loot-able with only one purpose - to loot others, and be looted(unless you can say me other reason.).

1. That is how system simulate market differences between planets.
2. That is why there is +100 more people playing this game and try to simulate pirates.
3. That is why Privateers and MS is more popular with big si , which makes more invest to game.
4. That is why Privateers and MS owners have jobs to earn in Entropia.
5. That is why Virtual property like "space ship" cost 5k USD and more.


and ect ect.


//mg
 
Yes! And MindArk - Game crator and rule maker , Made space loot-able with only one purpose - to loot others, and be looted(unless you can say me other reason.).

1. That is how system simulate market differences between planets.
2. That is why there is +100 more people playing this game and try to simulate pirates.
3. That is why Privateers and MS is more popular with big si , which makes more invest to game.
4. That is why Privateers and MS owners have jobs to earn in Entropia.
5. That is why Virtual property like "space ship" cost 5k USD and more.


and ect ect.


//mg

Yes but you are over looking a small issue here again and you as well kind of just stated that MindArk is above the law? But yes I hear you. Just sad that if the game was to hit it big and/or other RCE games came out putting a spot light on what MindArk is doing, a lot of people in game could loose a lot of investments, which again you do bring up a good point since you just stated that we are DEALING with real money here.

But this isn't anything new here. I been bitching about this way before space was introduced asking the simple question: how can Mindark get away with this since it would not be legal.
 
Yes but you are over looking a small issue here again and you as well kind of just stated that MindArk is above the law? But yes I hear you. Just sad that if the game was to hit it big and/or other RCE games came out putting a spot light on what MindArk is doing, a lot of people in game could loose a lot of investments, which again you do bring up a good point since you just stated that we are DEALING with real money here.

But this isn't anything new here. I been bitching about this way before space was introduced asking the simple question: how can Mindark get away with this since it would not be legal.

your real money comes in game only when you decide to deposit ,than you agree that you will use PEDS whenever you like.

RCE game means nothing really, you play with ped in pedcard, not in USD, and do to so, you need to obey Mindark's rules and areas.

Lootable space is less dangerous than EP IV or Poker in pockerstars.



p.s. by the way? who gave "Space Pirate" name to those people?
//mg
 
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your real money comes in game only when you decide to deposit ,than you agree that you will use PEDS whenever you like.

RCE game means nothing really, you play with ped in pedcard, not in USD, and do to so, you need to obey Mindark's rules and areas.

Lootable space is less dangerous than EP IV or Poker in pockerstars.



p.s. by the way? who gave "Space Pirate" name to those people?
//mg

We have a Casino and EU:

EU:

You convert money to Peds.
You win money
You are robbed
Second person withdraws money

Casino
You convert money to tokens
you win money
you are robbed
Second Person withdraws tokens back to money

Now which one is legal?
 
We have a Casino and EU:

EU:

You convert money to Peds.
You win money
You are robbed
Second person withdraws money

Casino
You convert money to tokens
you win money
you are robbed
Second Person withdraws converts tokens back to money

Now which one is legal?

both , because in both situations you are "robbed" by person that play GAME rules.

if you go to kazino , and someone hit you in head(same as scam on eu or avatar hack) and take your tokens - it is not game allowed rule,
but if you get "robbed" because other guy have better cards and take your money you put on table, than all is ok.

difference in your story is that guy who get robbed in Casino is already "not playing" , and person in game is playing in PVP area, trying to get to a final destination and deliver goods to safe zones. And they have choice to tt loot in trade terminal or chose to risk and go in lootable(+and others choices talking if player is in other planet)
 
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both , because in both situations you are "robbed" by person that play GAME rules.

Wait a second. So you are saying that I can go out to my local casino and take other people's tokens (not talking betting here, I mean steal them) and it's legal? OMG..you know that would save on the power bills and damn ammo is free as well.
 
Wait a second. So you are saying that I can go out to my local casino and take other people's tokens (not talking betting here, I mean steal them) and it's legal? OMG..you know that would save on the power bills and damn ammo is free as well.

stealing tokens form other person is same as logging to other person account and stealing peds.please :)

im not here to argue, i try to show you guys , that pirate profession is legit in game same as in other games. And nothing wrong with that.

Even my personal opinion is that other games is not RCE , not because they do not want, but because they do not know how to do it . It was stated by critical infilation of virtual currencies.


imagine if ma make space not lootable, where all privateers, ms owners , 22x equus that paid 5k usd each will say?

//mg
 
stealing tokens form other person is same as logging to other person account and stealing peds.please :)

Well not really. See it would be, I guess illegel to steal the tokens from the person's pocket, but if the tokens were out in the open then it's free game. Anyone can steal anyone's tokens within the casino.:dunce:
 
Well not really. See it would be, I guess illegel to steal the tokens from the person's pocket, but if the tokens were out in the open then it's free game. Anyone can steal anyone's tokens within the casino.:dunce:

we understand "Steal" different :)

There was a fight, a guy was flying with a cargo, and was shior he will not see another guy(pirate) in sight, but he was wrong, he met other player in lootable pvp that Mindark made . Player 2 started to shoot player 1 , player 1 desided to run instead of shoot back.

Player 2 won battle and took loot as a prize (Mindark's system) he not took it manually somehow. It was Game system that transferred loot from one avatar to another which was meeting "lootable" parameter .

Player 1 still kept his armors, vechiles and other non lootable stuff, that was not marked as lootable by GAME Creator.
 
btw i found where to kill a person is legit in real life :)

in international waters, there no law can be applied.


//mg
 
we understand "Steal" different :)

There was a fight, a guy was flying with a cargo, and was shior he will not see another guy(pirate) in sight, but he was wrong, he met other player in lootable pvp that Mindark made . Player 2 started to shoot player 1 , player 1 desided to run instead of shoot back.

Player 2 won battle and took loot as a prize (Mindark's system) he not took it manually somehow. It was Game system that transferred loot from one avatar to another which was meeting "lootable" parameter .

Player 1 still kept his armors, vechiles and other non lootable stuff, that was not marked as lootable by GAME Creator.

Hmm, now that's an interesting one. What if the casino posted on the doors that all tokens within the house can be stolen from other people in the casino. Could that even be legal?
 
Hmm, now that's an interesting one. What if the casino posted on the doors that all tokens within the house can be stolen from other people in the casino. Could that even be legal?

i think yes, but no one would go to that casino i guess.
there is similar games in our country called "capture a flag", where people play war with paint guns and takes other stuff described (dead guy paint gun or paint granates) that is described in game rules as well when you agree to play a game with a team.

//mg
 
We have a Casino and EU:

EU:

You convert money to Peds.
You win money
You are robbed
Second person withdraws money

Casino
You convert money to tokens
you win money
you are robbed
Second Person withdraws tokens back to money

Now which one is legal?

I've lost all respect for you <removed> After our years of friendship in game, I am requesting that you use the forum and game functions to ignore me in forum and in game as I am doing the same to you. <removed>
 
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Space is easy! just carry 1 DUNG, for the poor pirates. Some loot must be :)
 
Space is easy! just carry 1 DUNG, for the poor pirates. Some loot must be :)

Just keep in mind that Dung has a higher MU value than sweat these days. :wtg:
 
I like that they hunt me since I always empty and they give me pilot skills for cheap
expensive skills for little

If everybody learns to fly empty and they lose peds they will stop

They are too stupid to beat MA so they must do it on other players

Ban them all that my saying
 
Hmm, now that's an interesting one. What if the casino posted on the doors that all tokens within the house can be stolen from other people in the casino. Could that even be legal?
They're prizes. :lolup:
 
PVP and looting is an intended game mechanic, [if you] don't like it [expletive deleted]. This guy was playing by the rules and got banned for it? That's [expletive deleted]. Who [expletive deleted] if you disagree with his play methods. It's still wrong what MA did.

I agree with most of this, but existing precedent for Support is to apply a ban to prevent a situation from spiralling too far while they look into it and straighten it out. There is also plenty of precedent for applying such a ban as a first step in responding to a complaint about the conduct of a player. So no, I do not agree that MA did anything wrong in applying a temp ban. An ego was wounded, so effing what. :laugh:
 
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btw i found where to kill a person is legit in real life :)

in international waters, there no law can be applied.


//mg
Oh, like off the coast of Somalia?
 
we understand "Steal" different :)

There was a fight, a guy was flying with a cargo, and was shior he will not see another guy(pirate) in sight, but he was wrong, he met other player in lootable pvp that Mindark made . Player 2 started to shoot player 1 , player 1 desided to run instead of shoot back.

Player 2 won battle and took loot as a prize (Mindark's system) he not took it manually somehow. It was Game system that transferred loot from one avatar to another which was meeting "lootable" parameter .

Player 1 still kept his armors, vechiles and other non lootable stuff, that was not marked as lootable by GAME Creator.
Applying this logic to OP's scenario... when Kronan ran, my best guess is most likely they did so in order to convert a pirate attack into a skilling fest. Every time I've been on Kronan at warp time, I've been one of several repairmen waiting impatiently to get back to repairing. I'd have probably thanked NVE for helping.
 
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