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Was Xane's ban justified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 38.2%

  • No

    Votes: 36 47.4%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 11 14.5%
  • Total voters
    76
Lefty said:
I agree with most of this, but existing precedent for Support is to apply a ban to prevent a situation from spiralling too far while they look into it and straighten it out. There is also plenty of precedent for applying such a ban as a first step in responding to a complaint about the conduct of a player. So no, I do not agree that MA did anything wrong in applying a temp ban. An ego was wounded, so effing what. :laugh:
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I've already addressed this here.
 
ZPF said:
Ah yes, the typical pirate mantra.

"This takes so much skill, none of you understand!!! I am a super skilled galactic space marksmen and I deserve this loot because of my superior accuracy and profound mastery of 'point and shoot'"!!!!
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:lolup: ... The first time I went to aim mode and zoomed in, I was simply blown away by how easy it is to hit my target using manual aim in this game. It was pretty laughable in terms of offering a challenge :laugh:
 
Lefty said:
:lolup: ... The first time I went to aim mode and zoomed in, I was simply blown away by how easy it is to hit my target using manual aim in this game. It was pretty laughable in terms of offering a challenge :laugh:
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What was your target?
 
Xane said:
IRONY ALERT

OMG I didn't tell him what he can or cannot say, I told him that he shouldn't say this and then I went on to explain why. My point was pirates let way more roll off our backs then anyone realizes and it takes a lot to trigger a second attack. You pretty much have to be asking for it for it to happen again is my point. So for him to say that I need the ability to listen to what my opponents has to say without me taking action against it is silly, no I don't need to do that and I will chose when I do and don't want to attack someone.
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Once you choose the thug life, you get the "fun" of figuring out how to endure it. Enjoy. I mean, even your forum signature says you like the taste of salt, right? So why so salty about a little salt?

On a slight tangent, getting repeat-killed takes no effort at all if the killer's name happens to be mcco. But he's an exceptional individual. I've never run into that problem from any other seasoned pirate.
 
Xane said:
IRONY ALERT

OMG I didn't tell him what he can or cannot say, I told him that he shouldn't say this and then I went on to explain why. My point was pirates let way more roll off our backs then anyone realizes and it takes a lot to trigger a second attack. You pretty much have to be asking for it for it to happen again is my point. So for him to say that I need the ability to listen to what my opponents has to say without me taking action against it is silly, no I don't need to do that and I will chose when I do and don't want to attack someone.
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I forgot to mention, good luck with the whole deal about suggesting what I should or should not say :) ... The fact that you even went there just says you don't know me yet. I suppose the only reason the above is germane here is, I'm just one example of human nature. You'll encounter many other people on this forum who take a similar stance. In return for your no doubt well intended suggestion, I will suggest you get used to us ;)
 
Venture Bros said:
I've lost all respect for you, I thought you were an aging man who was at least moderately intelligent. Holy fuck you're stupid. Jesus Christ. After our years of friendship in game, I am requesting that you use the forum and game functions to ignore me in forum and in game as I am doing the same to you. You ignorant asshole.
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I hear you man, this is a common occurring thing when it comes to space PVP. Most of these people I believe are capable of logically understanding the legitimacy of space PVP. However!!! when it comes to something they don't like and refuse to accept they turn off the logical part of their brain and then start saying really silly things like we have been reading in this thread. Then they are baffled why everyone else doesn't agree with them and chalk it up to you just being evil or immoral.

It will never click for them, the best you can hope for is exposing their failed logic to everyone else.
 
Lefty said:
a hand that stuck out the side of a tree, snap shot at 109 meters, easy hit
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So your comment about how easy it is to hit something in PVP had nothing to do with space PVP correct? Because that's what I was talking about when I mentioned how difficult it is to land every shot.

I've noticed when you comment the priority seems to be quantity rather than relevancy.
 
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Xane said:
I hear you man, this is a common occurring thing when it comes to space PVP. Most of these people I believe are capable of logically understanding the legitimacy of space PVP. However!!! when it comes to something they don't like and refuse to accept they turn off the logical part of their brain and then start saying really silly things like we have been reading in this thread. Then they are baffled why everyone else doesn't agree with them and chalk it up to you just being evil or immoral.

It will never click for them, the best you can hope for is exposing their failed logic to everyone else.
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I agree with Xane. PVP is PVP. Perhaps MA should look more at CCCP and EVE Online. Where piracy is encouraged.

What could have been an epic battle had Kronan drummed up support, instead they complained. And got what they wanted. Which leads me to conclude Space is far from correctly implemented. And that is a shame.

Happy hunting X!
 
The majority of people think space is wank. It's poorly designed that MA rushed through to make money of ships and then left it to start on their next big project. PvP was intended for MS to make some money on their investment. Pirates was a profession that came with space, with out them then motherships would have little use.

I have no personal aggravation with them, they are just players who have chosen a different profession and not one I would choose. I don't think the insults they get is called for. We all know from the warning before entering space what's the consequences. I can understand why people get pissed of with as they don't want to lose their stuff.

Now back on topic I think MA was wrong in this instance. Thay made it so pirates can park on borders of safe zones and ships can't enter warp zone in safe Zone. So this will happen at times. One pirate will keep ship busy till reforcements arrive. If MA don't want this to happen change how space it.
 
Venture Bros said:
I've lost all respect for you, I thought you were an aging man who was at least moderately intelligent. Holy fuck you're stupid. Jesus Christ. After our years of friendship in game, I am requesting that you use the forum and game functions to ignore me in forum and in game as I am doing the same to you. You ignorant asshole.
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It's not my name here being hurt by supporting Pirates.

But you know all, as this debate goes on and on there is one subject that really hasn't been talked about much. I did bring it up long time ago and I guess can bring it up again. This system could be fixed over night and all would be left with the same system. All MA really needs to do is make us in lootable pvp lootable as like when shooting a mob. Just think how many more people would be out fighting in space in that one hope to get that ATH off OpaloMan. Who knows how the loot would be based on a given player but still this would fix the issue of 'stealing' and close any books on if this is legal or not since no loot from the given player would be stolen.

Also this sytem would work out better for the old pirates since most of us would no longer be no looters or that 1 dung loot. As well MS would be needed much more since again opening up the system would bring a lot more people in space who just wants to get that ATH.
 
OZtwo said:
It's not my name here being hurt by supporting Pirates.

But you know all, as this debate goes on and on there is one subject that really hasn't been talked about much. I did bring it up long time ago and I guess can bring it up again. This system could be fixed over night and all would be left with the same system. All MA really needs to do is make us in lootable pvp lootable as like when shooting a mob. Just think how many more people would be out fighting in space in that one hope to get that ATH off OpaloMan. Who knows how the loot would be based on a given player but still this would fix the issue of 'stealing' and close any books on if this is legal or not since no loot from the given player would be stolen.

Also this sytem would work out better for the old pirates since most of us would no longer be no looters or that 1 dung loot. As well MS would be needed much more since again opening up the system would bring a lot more people in space who just wants to get that ATH.
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While its an idea, if badly implemented would lead to farming, they would camp and kill you (or a willing volunteer) over and over as you loot every time, plus if your not repaired/Healed its cheaper. The way to fix this, is to allow pirating as now but make timed punishments for doing so (depending on your crime list) as kinda mentioned earlier, SS start shooting at you and only way to planets is via human smuggling but it costs more, Banned from space TT terminals as you need to buy/sell from a more expensive fence.
 
The Jetman said:
While its an idea, if badly implemented would lead to farming, they would camp and kill you (or a willing volunteer) over and over as you loot every time, plus if your not repaired/Healed its cheaper. The way to fix this, is to allow pirating as now but make timed punishments for doing so (depending on your crime list) as kinda mentioned earlier, SS start shooting at you and only way to planets is via human smuggling but it costs more, Banned from space TT terminals as you need to buy/sell from a more expensive fence.
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Very true. And the farming issue would lead into the subject of the OPs here, BUT at the end with this system it would be said that this is space and well if you need to get to planet to planet you need to find a good MS that can take on such attacks. And the issue with getting a friend and you to just shoot it out all day long well, that is already kind of in place here since we have the iron missions and daily missions where well, we do that anyway. :)

More, from what you just said is so true and most likely why I would be using an MS fee over my Quad.
 
OZtwo said:
Very true. And the farming issue would lead into the subject of the OPs here, BUT at the end with this system it would be said that this is space and well if you need to get to planet to planet you need to find a good MS that can take on such attacks. And the issue with getting a friend and you to just shoot it out all day long well, that is already kind of in place here since we have the iron missions and daily missions where well, we do that anyway. :)

More, from what you just said is so true and most likely why I would be using an MS fee over my Quad.
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So we have a unique PVP system now in space that just needs a little improving to make it balanced. But you want to turn it into the same old shitty mob hunting system on land? No body would pvp in that setup and therefore a lot less people would pay to use MS transport services.

You can't yank the rug out from under an entire industry and still expect it to be stable. It's very much like an eco system, removing just one element of it and other parts also fail.
 
OZtwo said:
We have a Casino and EU:

EU:

You convert money to Peds.
You win money
You are robbed
Second person withdraws money

Casino
You convert money to tokens
you win money
you are robbed
Second Person withdraws tokens back to money

Now which one is legal?
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You keep using the word robbed but it doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
Xane said:
So we have a unique PVP system now in space that just needs a little improving to make it balanced. But you want to turn it into the same old shitty mob hunting system on land? No body would pvp in that setup and therefore a lot less people would pay to use MS transport services.

You can't yank the rug out from under an entire industry and still expect it to be stable. It's very much like an eco system, removing just one element of it and other parts also fail.
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Yes sorry to say I do want to take that joy you get from stealing from the 'rich' to that normal system of the game were we hope to get a HOF or ATH.

See you just stated that you want to keep the system as it is because you hope to take from others which in any other game isn't the same since we are not dealing with real money and of course it's not breaking the law as in doing in RL. Which again is the main issue here since it is most likely breaking some laws somewhere since we are taking RL money from others yet this game is so small that MA is able to get away with it.

Also the big issue is that if this was to be found breaking a law and you were charged, you would then turn around and say it wasn't you that did it but MA allowing you to do it.
 
OZtwo said:
Yes sorry to say I do want to take that joy you get from stealing from the 'rich' to that normal system of the game were we hope to get a HOF or ATH.

See you just stated that you want to keep the system as it is because you hope to take from others which in any other game isn't the same since we are not dealing with real money and of course it's not breaking the law as in doing in RL. Which again is the main issue here since it is most likely breaking some laws somewhere since we are taking RL money from others yet this game is so small that MA is able to get away with it.

Also the big issue is that if this was to be found breaking a law and you were charged, you would then turn around and say it wasn't you that did it but MA allowing you to do it.
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You lack the fundamental understanding of the game and how it operates. So let me help you eat the apple of knowledge:

* mindark is a licensed bank
* when you deposit, you are depositing in your account in exchange for a special currency known as ped.
* from that, all your actions are a series of deposits and withdrawals of that special currency including a rake back to the house as you play
* when and if you withdrawal, mindark will give you real money in exchange for that currency.

Ergo, pvp is not robbing or anything illegal.. or whatever conspiracy you want to claim based on your bias. It's part of the game. You don't have to like it.. you can think space is stupid, but that changes nothing of the aforementioned.

With that being said, Pirates take the griefing and the server line bs too far.. just as much as the playerbase takes the hatred of Pirates too far.. beyond what would be considered good role play.
 
OZtwo said:
Yes sorry to say I do want to take that joy you get from stealing from the 'rich' to that normal system of the game were we hope to get a HOF or ATH.

See you just stated that you want to keep the system as it is because you hope to take from others which in any other game isn't the same since we are not dealing with real money and of course it's not breaking the law as in doing in RL. Which again is the main issue here since it is most likely breaking some laws somewhere since we are taking RL money from others yet this game is so small that MA is able to get away with it.

Also the big issue is that if this was to be found breaking a law and you were charged, you would then turn around and say it wasn't you that did it but MA allowing you to do it.
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Not once in all 6k+ pvp kills have I been awarded USD's, not once in a pvp kill have I even been awarded PED's. I'm only ever awarded digital items, which MA owns, and through many steps of conversion am I able, but not guaranteed, to convert that into real life currency. So can you understand now why you will never be able to a legally accuse any pirate of real life theft?
 
OZtwo said:
Yes sorry to say I do want to take that joy you get from stealing from the 'rich' to that normal system of the game were we hope to get a HOF or ATH.

See you just stated that you want to keep the system as it is because you hope to take from others which in any other game isn't the same since we are not dealing with real money and of course it's not breaking the law as in doing in RL. Which again is the main issue here since it is most likely breaking some laws somewhere since we are taking RL money from others yet this game is so small that MA is able to get away with it.

Also the big issue is that if this was to be found breaking a law and you were charged, you would then turn around and say it wasn't you that did it but MA allowing you to do it.
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It's just a game that owner's decide the rules that we play by. In the UK we have a game show called golden balls. The last two players have choice what happens to cash prize. Split or. Steal. If both split the jackpot is split, if both steal they win nothing. If 1 splits and the other steals then the the person who steals wins all. Its not illegal it's just rules of the game. You are warned proir to entering space and you accept the risk.

 
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OZtwo said:
All MA really needs to do is make us in lootable pvp lootable as like when shooting a mob. Just think...
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Dont think, I will remind you - no one will hunt puny mobs like you. And also puny mobs Do Not ATH.

This thread has gone so much off-topic...
Why people need to make 1000s of suggestions how to fix things? PvP is PvP, you get the warning message when u enter. Dont cry afterwards. If there is some problems, like locked accounts after a fight then thats where support comes in, not forum.
As much as i would like to see more pvp battles and more pvp content - this thread is not helping it at all.
 
duncis said:
Dont think, I will remind you - no one will hunt puny mobs like you. And also puny mobs Do Not ATH.

This thread has gone so much off-topic...
Why people need to make 1000s of suggestions how to fix things? PvP is PvP, you get the warning message when u enter. Dont cry afterwards. If there is some problems, like locked accounts after a fight then thats where support comes in, not forum.
As much as i would like to see more pvp battles and more pvp content - this thread is not helping it at all.
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Ironically the reason I created this thread was specifically because of supports involvement in this situation. Anyway hopefully in six hours I will get a response back from support and update you all on this case.
 
Xane said:
Ironically the reason I created this thread was specifically because of supports involvement in this situation. Anyway hopefully in six hours I will get a response back from support and update you all on this case.
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Sure, wasnt blaming you for starting thread, just that such thread wakes up tons of resident sleepers who doesnt even know first thing about pvp. Anyways this thread wont help much but i wish u very best of luck with support :)
 
duncis said:
Sure, wasnt blaming you for starting thread, just that such thread wakes up tons of resident sleepers who doesnt even know first thing about pvp. Anyways this thread wont help much but i wish u very best of luck with support :)
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And yet are always confronted by it. It's not called entropia-stay-on-your-own-planet, It's called Entropia Universe.
I want to remain a noob where lootable pvp is concerned. Mindark forces this playstyle on me. That's not right.
A choice of a payed teleporter (40 ped)to simply avoid the whole pvp lootable would bring a lot of relief to a lot of players who simply hate lootable pvp and the people who want to be in it. Or trances suggestion of a route which costs an hour in time through space that's not lootable. Something so people who shoot mobs in teams and avoid pvp areas like the plague can actually do that.. avoid pvp areas like the plague. It exists on the planet (go around the pvp lootable area), So why not in space. Ms owners make ped from people who want to either travel fast or want to bring loot to another planet. I just want to go to another planet without being confronted with the whole kill-other-players-to-try-to-steal-peds-from-them playstyle. Right now there is no way to do that. And until Mindark gives me an option, a choice, my hate for the pirates remains in place.
 
Debating if pirates are technically thieves is irrelevant to the reason for this thread.
Is it bad law that Mind Ark made piracy legal? Also not relevant to purpose of this thread.
The question is do we have a right to due process when we obey the game rules as Mind Ark has set them forth?
Are we okay with ignoring our values when someone we dont like gets shafted?
Is it okay for people with grudges and hidden agendas to get accounts of other locked while they suffer no consequences for bogus support cases?

Honestly Xane probably got locked because screaming wah wah baby once again eats up resources and time of Mind Ark. So they took a shortcut to save costs by locking Xane's account. That is my guess as to what happened.

Im so frustrated that all of us entropians have to pay for this. So far as im concerned wah wah baby who wont fight their battles is the real thief here. Because where do I have the chance to say "No thanks i dont want to be robbed paying for bogus suport cases". But I digress here. Purpose of this thread is not to determine who the real thief in fact is but as I understand it to sort out do we want all of us to have due process or only those whom we are not offended by?
 
Yoshii Lem said:
Debating if pirates are technically thieves is irrelevant to the reason for this thread.
Is it bad law that Mind Ark made piracy legal? Also not relevant to purpose of this thread.
The question is do we have a right to due process when we obey the game rules as Mind Ark has set them forth?
Are we okay with ignoring our values when someone we dont like gets shafted?
Is it okay for people with grudges and hidden agendas to get accounts of other locked while they suffer no consequences for bogus support cases?

Honestly Xane probably got locked because screaming wah wah baby once again eats up resources and time of Mind Ark. So they took a shortcut to save costs by locking Xane's account. That is my guess as to what happened.

Im so frustrated that all of us entropians have to pay for this. So far as im concerned wah wah baby who wont fight their battles is the real thief here. Because where do I have the chance to say "No thanks i dont want to be robbed paying for bogus suport cases". But I digress here. Purpose of this thread is not to determine who the real thief in fact is but as I understand it to sort out do we want all of us to have due process or only those whom we are not offended by?
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I might be biased here but I think everyone should be treated equally and fairly from MA support.

3 hours to go until support clocks in...
 
Zophon Zoo said:
What could have been an epic battle had Kronan drummed up support, instead they complained.
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It could have been an epic battle if the attacked had chosen to spend their money on it. But they did not wish to, which is within their right. I as a single player could simply decide to logout in the same situation. A mothership obliged to paying customers on board has a more difficult decision to make. Upon complaining I was told I am supposed to drum up support, which I considered an audacity for calling on me so overtly to waste my money to their gain, but is within the rules it seems. When a mothership running a regular service complains, it naturally has more weight. And it doesn't mean yet they will get what they want (after all without potential attackers they would not need to exist as paid service), but that the matter is considered. I don't think the temp ban would have been issued without a history involving the same person(s).
 
Yoshii Lem said:
Debating if pirates are technically thieves is irrelevant to the reason for this thread.
Is it bad law that Mind Ark made piracy legal? Also not relevant to purpose of this thread.
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Absolutely correct, and this part of the discussion should stop. Actually comparing legality with the real world where death is final and real suffering occurs is outright ludicrous. This is a simulated world where the rules of nature can be suspended or bent at will, which is at the core of our amusement with it.
 
i dont hate pirates cos they do what pirates do. i hate them cos they use exploits and cheats to profit. if they would just play normally without bug using many people wouldnt have a problem as they would have the same speed and couldnt catch up. but as all pirates do griefing and bug using etc. they deserve the ban thanks to that. and not because they are doing space pvp. and there has not been a single word about him not using the exploits so i guess the ban is well deserved and shoudl be extended into perma ban for exploiting the system. if it were MAs money directly affected by this exploit they would have either fixed it or wouldve banned every pirate using it right on sight.
 
Me Really Never said:
i dont hate pirates cos they do what pirates do. i hate them cos they use exploits and cheats to profit. if they would just play normally without bug using many people wouldnt have a problem as they would have the same speed and couldnt catch up. but as all pirates do griefing and bug using etc. they deserve the ban thanks to that. and not because they are doing space pvp. and there has not been a single word about him not using the exploits so i guess the ban is well deserved and shoudl be extended into perma ban for exploiting the system. if it were MAs money directly affected by this exploit they would have either fixed it or wouldve banned every pirate using it right on sight.
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Since your obviously not going to stop attempting to hijack my thread I'll indulge you. Are you accusing me of cheating?
 
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