Stevie's Mining Log - The search for a surface Tower.

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Hi all, I'm starting my next quest. I'm going on a mission to see if I can tower on planet surface using a small amp (1 ped decay amp or lower).

Some of my mining history. On Nov 2012 I hit a 9.1k ped gazzurdite on Caly using a Level 2 (L) amp. A few months later Feb 2013 I was lucky enough to hit another tower, an 8.3k ped blausarium, same amp size. Since then I had moved to bigger amps, level 5's. June 2013 I hit a 4.2k belkar on Caly. Fast forward a year or so, Aug 2014 I hit a 4.8k caldorite on Monria, and finally using a level 8, in June 2015 I hit a 4.6k on Caly.

Its been a good long while since then, and what I've noticed more recently is big multis on small mobs reappearing. Many say it's not possible to hit them with small amps anymore, I don't agree. My philosophy is that if you can hit a huge hunting multis, trox young (10k+), longu young (8k), or nusul (6k), then it should be possible to do the same mining. Obviously, they are different professions, but I don't think there is a big difference as far as the system works, 1 drop=1 kill. The difference in mining activity vs hunting activity could be the reason you don't see many if any surface towers now. The rarity of the big multis on small mobs shows that it could take ages to get an equivalent one mining.

But on with the show, I plan on exclusively mining using my unlimited amp, and staying consistent as possible. To minimize changes to my loot potential and other contributing factors, I will solely be mining for the duration of this log.

My gear setup is as follows:
F-106 T8.9 I may occasionally enhance, depending on the area.
Terra Amp 1 Gold Rush I'll be using this little baby exclusively.
Excavator ME01 not a very fancy excavator, and slow as molasses. I may buy an adjusted excavator once I sell some auds later.
Mod Hermetic ring, Silver rabbit for the extra speed boost. Probably mainly the ring.

Skills:
Prospecting 6293, prof. level 52.2
Surveying 4469, prof. level 42.96

Thank you for reading my log, I will post my first run once it is complete.
 
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Heres a compilation of my overall returns over 5 trip spans.

#5 9/21/16
Overall Results
Cost2806.61
TT Return2357.75
Balance-448.86
% Return84.01%
Drops1561
Claims418
Hit Rate26.78%
Average MU122.74%
Sold Markup265.50
Balance + Markup-183.36

# 10 10/1/16

Overall Results
Cost4839.95
TT Return4425.43
Balance-414.52
% Return91.44%
Drops2843
Claims777
Hit Rate27.33%
Average MU122.39%
Sold Markup747.28
Balance + Markup332.76

#15 10/10/16

Overall Results
Cost7468.05
TT Return6617.06
Balance-850.99
% Return88.60%
Drops4362
Claims1164
Hit Rate26.69%
Average MU121.70%
Sold Markup1150.67
Balance + Markup299.68
Hofs/Globs1269

#20 10/13/16

Overall Results
Cost10312.32
TT Return9736.29
Balance-576.03
% Return94.41%
Drops5901
Claims1575
Hit Rate26.69%
Average MU121.74%
Sold Markup1607.98
Balance + Markup1031.95

#25 10/18/16

Overall Results
Cost13136.98
TT Return14164.33
Balance1027.35
% Return107.82%
Drops7426
Claims1999
Hit Rate26.92%
Average MU118.46%
Sold Markup2254.63
Balance + Markup3281.98

#30 10/21/16

Overall Results
Cost16079.23
TT Return17011.47
Balance932.24
% Return105.80%
Drops9000
Claims2421
Hit Rate26.90%
Average MU118.67%
Sold Markup2771.91
Balance + Markup3704.15

#35 11/09/16

Overall Results
Cost18996.34
TT Return19323.25
Balance326.91
% Return101.72%
Drops10770
Claims2871
Hit Rate26.66%
Average MU117.86%
Sold Markup2978.79
Balance + Markup3305.70

#40 11/17/16

Overall Results
Cost24107.90
TT Return23152.42
Balance-955.48
% Return96.04%
Drops13520
Claims3653
Hit Rate27.02%
Average MU117.57%
Sold Markup3387.03
Balance + Markup2431.55

#45 11/28/16

Overall Results
Cost28229.22
TT Return26912.70
Balance-1316.52
% Return95.34%
Drops15830
Claims4297
Hit Rate27.14%
Average MU116.20%
Sold Markup3544.70
Balance + Markup2228.18

#50 1/21/17

Overall Results
Cost33181.28
TT Return31204.09
Balance-1977.19
% Return94.04%
Drops18290
Claims4672
Hit Rate25.54%
Average MU115.46%
Sold Markup3871.91
Balance + Markup1894.72

#55 2/05/17

Overall Results
Cost39058.89
TT Return36781.01
Balance-2277.88
% Return94.17%
Drops20808
Claims5355
Hit Rate25.74%
Average MU117.02%
Sold Markup5031.81
Balance + Markup2753.93

#60 3/1/17

Overall Results
Cost43402.52
TT Return40464.94
Balance-2960.94
% Return93.23%
Drops22674
Claims5715
Hit Rate25.21%
Average MU116.87%
Sold Markup5369.17
Balance + Markup2408.23

#65 4/22/17

Overall Results
Cost48672.54
TT Return44635.84
Balance-4083.06
% Return91.71%
Drops25319
Claims6306
Hit Rate24.91%
Average MU116.60%
Sold Markup5964.13
Balance + Markup1881.07

#70 11/15/17

Overall Results
Cost52998.11
TT Return50218.23
Balance-2826.24
% Return94.75%
Average MU116.45%
Drops27619
Claims6977
Hit Rate25.26%
Sold Markup6478.78
Balance + Markup3652.54

#75 5/19/18

Overall Results
Cost57494.11
TT Return53913.76
Balance-3626.71
% Return93.77%
Average MU115.33%
Drops27228
Claims7302
Hit Rate26.82%
Sold Markup6893.43
Balance + Markup3266.72

#80 8/18/18

Overall Results
Cost60764.03
TT Return56858.69
Balance-3951.70
% Return93.57%
Average MU115.33%
Drops29228
Claims7820
Hit Rate26.76%
Sold Markup6893.43
Balance + Markup2941.73
 
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Best of luck with this endeavor!

Hopefully more people start to mine... It seems fairly clear now that total amount cycled universally has an effect on frequency, and most importantly size, of multipliers.
 
Trip #1 in the bag. I decided to start out this log on Rocktropia. The results weren't bad for my first go around. I'm going to do 300 drop runs, I find that's a good mid point of drops per run, to where I won't feel it dragging out, or getting too grindy. I got a global around halfway through the run, the hit rate was pretty decent as well. TT% pretty good, I hope to settle around 90-95% longterm. I will update markup in subsequent logs as sales conclude. Well, I guess that's about it. Thanks for reading, and all the support, and happy hoffing! :cool:
Trip Results
Date09/13/16
PlaceRocktropia
Trip #1
TypeOre


Probes300


Amp240


Finder5.4


Excavator3.42


Enhancers/Other0


Total Cost548.82


TT Back488.23


Balance-60.59


Return88.96%


Drops300


Hofs/Globs58


# of Claims80
Hit Rate26.67%
Notable Claims58 Ped Alternative
Overall Results


Probes300


Amp240


Finder5.4


Excavator3.42


Enhancers/Other0


Cost548.82


Return488.23


Balance-60.59


Overall Return88.96%


Drops300


Hofs/Globs58


Total Claims80
Hit Rate26.67%
Average MU0.00%
Balance with Markup-60.59
 
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It used to be that if you could get above 27% hit rate the run would probably be profitable. Now though, you need to be +30% hr and even then, you might not get any claim bigger than a V (unamped) and no certainty that even that HR would result in a profitable run.

Good luck! :)
 
Yeah, 30% hr used to mean a pretty decent run, with the above average claims boosting you up to a nice TT%. Then the globals would really bump you up. Just a different system now I guess. I'm hoping we'll see a decent indication of the cycle length required to get through the lows and hit a fair TT%. Stay tuned. ;)
 
GL with the log!

With the current system I don't believe it is possible to tower with a Terra Amp 1 unless you're mining indoors or using a pre-amped finder. The maximum (known) multiplier is simply not high enough (based on a few threads I've read on this topic).
 
GL with the log!

With the current system I don't believe it is possible to tower with a Terra Amp 1 unless you're mining indoors or using a pre-amped finder. The maximum (known) multiplier is simply not high enough (based on a few threads I've read on this topic).

Exactly. now we got x100, x150, x300 and x1000 multipliers. So for the tower you need at least 4ped drop, at least because sometimes you will get +/- 200 ped even on x1000.

Mine biggest find was 2,8k ped on the 3ped drop so it is almost impossible to do it on standard finder with 1ped drop and ta1.

Anyway gl
 
Exactly. now we got x100, x150, x300 and x1000 multipliers. So for the tower you need at least 4ped drop, at least because sometimes you will get +/- 200 ped even on x1000.

Mine biggest find was 2,8k ped on the 3ped drop so it is almost impossible to do it on standard finder with 1ped drop and ta1.

Anyway gl

My
Largest planet side was on a 3 ped drop 2.7k.. The multipliers do seem to have a pattern. If 3 ped drops your hof multis are typically 250 ped, 800-900 ped, and 1-1.5k ped.. With the occasional 2.5-3k if you're severely down.


I had to go indoors for my tower after I couldn't break this pattern. But someone did hit a 4K iron planet side a couple weeks ago.
I jut don't think it's possible to get a large enough deficit planet side to hit those hofs. Maybe go lose 10k on exp IV first lol.

However, how this log plays out will be interesting!
 
My

I jut don't think it's possible to get a large enough deficit planet side to hit those hofs.

However, how this log plays out will be interesting!

That could be, I haven't mined enough yet to see the turnaround at the low point, but I do remember in the past it was a lot more volatile to an extent. The loot waves were shorter, so even if you lose bad a couple runs it wouldn't take long to get it back. That's my recollection. Thanks for all the feedback so far, it is interesting. I'll keep trying until I either get bored or go insane...or lose my focus and go hunting, lol.
 
All my towers but 1 was planet side. 1 with dsec30 and ta8.. the others with tm4 or dsec30 and ta4. 1 tower, the songkra one was tm4 plus lvl5. But all planet towers were pre explosives.

When I had the ul7 last yr after explosives, I never hit anything in planet or ug in 250k cycle in 2 months. Only 2 1ks.
 
As mentioned in a few prior posts, will be interesting to see if it is even possible to go for your goal after BP IVs have already been out as pre-BP IVs I'd most likely be congratulating you already on your tower by now, hehe. I still have hope in this, and still look forward to one day congratulating you on your future planet side tower.

Sub'd and best of luck on your endeavor as well.

Mine on,
Vi
 
It took me a little longer to do this run, I had stuff going on yesterday and today. The run was pretty average, just what I'd expect with a lack of multis, it takes your tt% down pretty fast. I forgot to re-attach my amp after a repair so I ended up with 44 extra unamped drops, lol. Keep dropping, GL all. :cool:

Trip Results
Date09/15/16
PlaceRocktropia
Trip #2
TypeOre


Probes344


Amp240


Finder5.4


Excavator2.53


Enhancers/Other0


Total Cost591.93


TT Back424.72


Balance-167.21


Return71.75%


Drops344


# of Claims96
Hit Rate27.91%
Hofs/Globs0


Notable ClaimsNone
Overall Results


Probes644


Amp480


Finder10.8


Excavator5.95


Enhancers/Other0


Cost1140.75


Return912.95


Balance-227.8


Overall Return80.14%


Drops644


Total Claims176
Hit Rate27.33%
Hofs/Globs58


Average MU120.95%
Total Markup – Auction Fee49.41
Balance with Markup-178.39
 
Your results are very hard to read. Too many colors, too many empty rows and sudden dark background when the forum is all white.

Don't underestimate the simplicity of black on white.

Good luck.
 
Thanks for the feedback, O2. I was kinda wondering, it looks better on my spreadsheet. I'll work on it. :)

Aside from that, how many find the extra data interesting? Would you rather see costs breakdown like I have or just total cost? And what abour HR and claims? I like the data personally, but if it congests the log too much, and makes it hard to read through, then I don't mind keeping it out.

Here's black on white without the spacer rows.

Trip Results
Date09/15/16
PlaceRocktropia
Trip #2
TypeOre
Probes344
Amp240
Finder5.4
Excavator2.53
Enhancers/Other0
Total Cost591.93
TT Back424.72
Balance-167.21
Return71.75%
Drops344
# of Claims96
Hit Rate27.91%
Hofs/Globs0
Notable ClaimsNone
Overall Results
Probes644
Amp480
Finder10.8
Excavator5.95
Enhancers/Other0
Cost1140.75
Return912.95
Balance-227.8
Overall Return80.14%
Drops644
Total Claims176
Hit Rate27.33%
Hofs/Globs58
Average MU120.95%
Total Markup – Auction Fee49.41
Balance with Markup-178.39

It is easier to read without a doubt, not as much scrolling (which I really didn't like). Any other feedback is greatly appreciated.
 
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Good run this time around, I had 3 globals. The hr was a little low, but still not bad. So far returns haven't been too low, always hurts seeing <70% runs. I hope to keep this up. On to the next one, GL all. :cool:

Trip Results
Cost567.13
TT Return556.87
Balance-10.26
Return %98.19%
Drops317
Claims81
Hit Rate25.55%
Hofs/Globs194
Notable Claims56, 84 Ped Alternative 56 Ped Lysterium
Overall Results
Cost1708.67
TT Return1469.82
Balance-238.85
Return %86.02%
Drops961
Claims257
Hit Rate26.74%
MU %118.47%
Markup73.27
Balance + Markup-165.58


Hofs/Globs252
 
Ahh the sub 70% run, I jinxed it. :laugh: Well, not much to say about this run, no multis, bad hr. Next one should be better. GL all! :cool:

Trip Results
Cost548.55
TT Return375.32
Balance-173.23
Return %68.42%
Drops300
Claims79
Hit Rate26.33%
Overall Results
Cost2257.22
TT Return1845.14
Balance-412.08
Return %81.74%
Drops1261
Claims336
Hit Rate26.65%
MU %122.50%
Markup190.50
Balance + Markup-221.58
 
Run #5 done. Better run all around, hit a couple globs. :) On to the next one. Thanks for reading, GL all. :cool:

Trip Results
Cost549.39
TT Return512.61
Balance-36.78
Return %93.31%
Drops300
Claims82
Hit Rate27.33%
Hofs/Globs114
Notable Claims57, 57 Ped Alternative
Overall Results
Cost2806.61
TT Return2357.75
Balance-448.86
% Return84.01%
Drops1561
Claims418
Hit Rate26.78%
Average MU122.74%
Sold Markup265.50
Balance + Markup-183.36
Hofs/Globs366
 
Short run here, low returns, wouldn't expect much from a 1/3 run. I forgot to attach amp for 53 drops...lol. I'm thinking about a change in location. I'll decide later today where that might be. :cool: GL, all.

Trip Results
Cost236.65
TT Return172.18
Balance-64.47
Return %72.76%
Drops153
Claims44
Hit Rate28.76%
Overall Results
Cost3043.26
TT Return2529.93
Balance-513.33
% Return83.13%
Drops1714
Claims462
Hit Rate26.95%
Average MU122.88%
Sold Markup330.39
Balance + Markup-182.94
 
So if I read this correctly, you are trying to get a tower unamped on the surface?
 
Short enm run on Caly to kill some time, I think I'll keep moving. To reduce clutter, I think I'll just post the overall results every 5 or 10 runs. GL and happy hoffing. :cool:
Trip Results
Cost264.47
TT Return240.83
Balance-23.64
Return %91.06%
Drops200
Claims61
Hit Rate30.50%
 
On Caly still, think I'll hang here for a bit and just do a little exploring in old areas. Had a decent little HOF this run, 213 ped Narc, and the trip ended with a small profit. :cool:
Trip Results
Cost557.53
TT Return575.36
Balance17.83
Return %103.20%
Drops300
Claims77
Hit Rate25.67%
Hofs/Globs213
Notable Claims213 Ped Narcanisum
 
Run #9 done. A pretty good run overall and I had another hof for 274 ped, and a global not long after. TT returns were really nice, I guess that's it. GL all. :cool:
Trip Results
Cost553.57
TT Return762.52
Balance208.95
Return %137.75%
Drops300
Claims92
Hit Rate30.67%
Hofs/Globs332
Notable Claims58 Ped Narcanisum, 274 Ped Blausarium
 
Run #10 done, kinda slow this go around, decent mu though. Next!
Trip Results
Cost421.12
TT Return316.79
Balance-104.33
Return %75.23%
Drops329
Claims85
Hit Rate25.84%
Overall Results
Cost4839.95
TT Return4425.43
Balance-414.52
% Return91.44%
Drops2843
Claims777
Hit Rate27.33%
Average MU122.39%
Sold Markup747.28
Balance + Markup332.76
Hofs/Globs911
 
Run #11 A 226 ped hof again, nice little run. :cool:

Trip Results
Cost547.10
TT Return621.04
Balance73.94
Return %113.51%
Drops300
Claims82
Hit Rate27.33%
Hofs/Globs226
Notable Claims226 Ped Narcanisum
 
Run #12 Had a couple multis this enm run, XII and IX*2, helping boost the run TT. :)

Trip Results
Cost402.93
TT Return388.74
Balance-14.19
Return %96.48%
Drops300
Claims87
Hit Rate29.00%
 
Run #13 Terrible HR this go around, bad TT% as a result. I did have an X so that helps a little bit, on to the next one.:)
Trip Results
Cost550.95
TT Return339.32
Balance-211.63
Return %61.59%
Drops300
Claims69
Hit Rate23.00%
 
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