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Mentor failed me, lost me PEDs doing what he said would work then when it failed, he unmentored and unfriended me after I brought up how now I have less then I did when I started.

I was a mining player two years ago (played for a week), finally back first time today. Was talking on novice chat, the player "brandon Sweetlife maynard" told me a few friendly gaming advice and then reteach me the basics. Terminals, what tools do what, etc. Then something popped on screen, it was a mentorship thing. I accepted, thinking he was pretty helpful. I told him I had no PEDS and 100 probes and rookie mining tools in my inventory from when I quit. He said it was no biggie, and flew me around to "good spots" to mine. 20 probes per drop, 5 drop and all misses. Didn't get anything.

He then said sell your stuff, noob gun, clothes, basic noob gear armor I had on (with no pants oddly enough). Told him sounded risky, and "what if I don't get anything?", he assured me we will get something. Took that roughly 18 PED and bought more probes, we did the same thing and in return got only 11 PED worth of mineral back.

The final half of the chat (as far as it would let me scroll back) after the fail mining trip he took me on is screenshoted. We were still friendly, and I thought we were, as we were still talking.

I'm not upset about losing all my PEDs and am now broke with only 11 PED worth of mineral. I just don't want anyone else accepting "brandon Sweetlife maynard" as their mentor to avoid the same unfortunate event.

He was my mentor, and I did what he said cause he sounded like he knew what he was talking about. My fault for thinking so and doing what he said, and Unforunate he abandoned ship after I went essentially broke.

******TL:DR******* Bad mentor, I'm not too worried about it. Just don't want anyone else getting this guy as their mentor.

SCREENSHOTS OF CHAT AFTER RETURNING TO TELEPORT AREA:

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P.S. Last LINK. When someone removes you from their friendlist, the system will say that you removed them even though you didn't. I Tested it with another player just to make sure.
 
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From the way you write things you are very young (not sure u are over 18 even) and from the chat log he was actually giving you good advice. He told you to sell things to have a bigger bankroll(there are good periods and bad periods, you need to survive the bad). You cant expect profit from day one and you need much more peds than 20 to survive. In the past noobs did not receive ANYTHING and had to survive.

Since the guy you named did not do anything bad this thread is pointless and will be edited by mods cause naming and shaming is not allowed here. You just dont understand the game yet. Thats all :)

Regards,
True Juan :bandit:

P.S. Try to learn more before making conclusions. This game is not easy but its not impossible :)
 
I agree with True Juan, you're expectations are too high. you assume there's a right way to do things so that your ped sum will grow, unfortunatly its a business and the majority have to loose so that some can gain, and there also have to be a profit for the company.

There's smart ways to do things and ineffecient ways. He learned you the smart way, unfortunatly it turned out as for the majority. It could go 2 ways, you will experience both all the time, ultimo it will likely be a loss in general if you sum all runs up


From the way you write things you are very young (not sure u are over 18 even) and from the chat log he was actually giving you good advice. He told you to sell things to have a bigger bankroll(there are good periods and bad periods, you need to survive the bad). You cant expect profit from day one and you need much more peds than 20 to survive. In the past noobs did not receive ANYTHING and had to survive.

Since the guy you named did not do anything bad this thread is pointless and will be edited by mods cause naming and shaming is not allowed here. You just dont understand the game yet. Thats all :)

Regards,
True Juan :bandit:

P.S. Try to learn more before making conclusions. This game is not easy but its not impossible :)
 
Well, he might have failed to explain the big picture and all that (60% returns on a 18 drop run are nothing unusual, it could be worse), but still he was incredibly patient and polite with such a snowflake.
 
A "mentor" with zero mining (or any, for that matter) globals on the tracker gives mining advices, the outcome was somewhat predictable...

And that's why the requirement of merely 15 lvl to become a mentor is an utter nonsense.
 
The guy was nothing but helpful. Sorry to break it you dear but you were broke even before you met him and i am glad he didnt let you borrow any of his stuff. Now i am going to google which casino i can visit with 1.8$ :scratch2:
 
A few things...

It's clear you need to spend a bit more time in the game first before you start jumping down peoples throats about giving you their time. Believe me, it's actually quite rare now to get a mentor who actually talks to you. The amount of times I have spoken to a totally ill informed noob and been told their mentor merely accepted them and never talked to them after the first day is DEPRESSING.

That said, for example it was incredibly annoying to have to go through all those screenshots to read a tiny bit of convo. Please expand your chat box.

Also, if you want to play the game for its main features of hunting, mining and crafting you must expect to lose. At better than average efficiency and skill you should expect a ~90% return on hunting, 70% on crafting (quantity) and %god-knows on mining.

Mining is unpredictable, as said before. I've gone 30, 40 peds with no hits at all. Even at level 33 props/surv. So 11 ped back at least got you something.

My recommendation? If your bankroll is 11 ped? Stop mining. Yes you're right, you COULD spend it at a casino. You'd probably lose it faster there too (unless you start crafting explosive projectiles in here, then you've just got a gambling problem). Spend some time and actually learn about the game. Don't charge in here with a first post to badmouth someone who tried to help you. Read the mining/crafting/hunting sections. Hunt some puny mobs. Go get some teleports. Peruse the auction. I'm a bit torn about diving deep into mining advice for you because of the way you bit the hand that tried to feed you.

Explore a bit first and learn before passing judgement.
 
off topic..

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to (removed) again. what does this mean ??? i have noticed this message few times
 
A "mentor" with zero mining (or any, for that matter) globals on the tracker gives mining advices, the outcome was somewhat predictable...

And that's why the requirement of merely 15 lvl to become a mentor is an utter nonsense.

I wonder if the mentorship should be altered into hunting mentor and mining mentor with lvl 20 required in related skill. you gain rewards depending on which you took, Adj Pixe (or whatever) for hunters and a Adj F-105 for example for miners
 
The mentor mentioned was friendly, took time to spend with you and as you said yourself taught you about the game which are all signs of a good mentor.

However, as Svarog mentioned according to tracker this player doesn't seem to have a whole lot of experience with any of the professions and thus his advice might have to be taken with caution.

From the chat you've provided I can tell the only mistake the mentor did was not to warn you of the danger of losing all peds which is very high with such small budget in mining. And there's no mentor who could help you avoid that risk with so little peds because that's just not how the game works.

And towards the end of the chat you started to stress your frustration of losing peds on the mentor and I can understand why he had removed you as a disciple. I don't like drama in this game myself and would probably do the same. Mentors are there to give you advice, but your ped card is your responsibility.

Risk of Ruin ...that's a link to a great post on how the risk works in case you're interested and want to learn for the future.
 
While the mentor in question said generally correct things, the main thing he had had to tell is the one that's repeated in this thread - do not do it with that kind of bankroll - and, if the disciple does not intend to increase it accordingly, propose alternative ways to play with that kind of peds.

If a skydiving instructor would have properly explained all the theory but forgot to mention that you need a parachute, what would be the value of his instructions?
 
While the mentor in question said generally correct things, the main thing he had had to tell is the one that's repeated in this thread - do not do it with that kind of bankroll - and, if the disciple does not intend to increase it accordingly, propose alternative ways to play with that kind of peds.

If a skydiving instructor would have properly explained all the theory but forgot to mention that you need a parachute, what would be the value of his instructions?

well we only see partial part of conversation..culd be a whole elephant before this tale !
 
Thank god you weren't my disciple. I would have dropped you after 2 minutes of listening to you.
 
that mentor was very patient with you,even after you semi begged him for probes and tools
 
Starting to understand why so many veterans can't be bothered with mentoring.

Few more of these types of disciples and even the most patient person probably stops wasting time on that part of the game.

Sad really since lotsa new players need some direction to reduce self inflicted harm (read losses).

Refraining from neg repping you since, as pointed out by others, you seem a lil young & had totally skewed expectations. If you got any integrity as a person then drop your former mentor a pm with apology or even post one here.

Though something tells me you've moved on to some other game already.
 
off topic..

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to (removed) again. what does this mean ??? i have noticed this message few times

Lots of people have given (person) rep already so give someone else some love, I think... something...
 
Mentor failed me, lost me PEDs doing what he said would work then when it failed, he unmentored and unfriended me after I brought up how now I have less then I did when I started.

I was a mining player two years ago (played for a week), finally back first time today. Was talking on novice chat, the player "brandon Sweetlife maynard" told me a few friendly gaming advice and then reteach me the basics. Terminals, what tools do what, etc. Then something popped on screen, it was a mentorship thing. I accepted, thinking he was pretty helpful. I told him I had no PEDS and 100 probes and rookie mining tools in my inventory from when I quit. He said it was no biggie, and flew me around to "good spots" to mine. 20 probes per drop, 5 drop and all misses. Didn't get anything.

He then said sell your stuff, noob gun, clothes, basic noob gear armor I had on (with no pants oddly enough). Told him sounded risky, and "what if I don't get anything?", he assured me we will get something. Took that roughly 18 PED and bought more probes, we did the same thing and in return got only 11 PED worth of mineral back.

The final half of the chat (as far as it would let me scroll back) after the fail mining trip he took me on is screenshoted. We were still friendly, and I thought we were, as we were still talking.

I'm not upset about losing all my PEDs and am now broke with only 11 PED worth of mineral. I just don't want anyone else accepting "brandon Sweetlife maynard" as their mentor to avoid the same unfortunate event.

He was my mentor, and I did what he said cause he sounded like he knew what he was talking about. My fault for thinking so and doing what he said, and Unforunate he abandoned ship after I went essentially broke.

******TL:DR******* Bad mentor, I'm not too worried about it. Just don't want anyone else getting this guy as their mentor.

SCREENSHOTS OF CHAT AFTER RETURNING TO TELEPORT AREA:
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P.S. Last LINK. When someone removes you from their friendlist, the system will say that you removed them even though you didn't. I Tested it with another player just to make sure.

I feel bad for your mentor who only tried to help. Not sure if you are just stupid or what. You first off can't expect to jump in and profit, and you definitely cant expect to profit with only 18 ped mining lmao. Try more like 5000 ped for profitable unamped.

Annoying though that you take to the forum with zero knowledge of the game to hate on your mentor for not lending you gear and not bringing you profit when all you had was 18 ped. Most people can't even profit in this game.

He probably did take you to good spots, but you are too stupid to realize that there arent ores hiding in the dirt, and that it is instead rng.
 
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I'm all for helping people, but from the chat screen shots, OP has "MOOCH" written all over him. I would have dropped him in a heartbeat. Seems the mentor got that same vibe.
 
You all seem to think OP is some young teenager but he's at least 18-21 since he can "just go to the casino" :laugh:

Pro tip: If someone tells you something (even your mentor) don't just believe him/her. Ask for proof. Evidence. Data. Anything.

If you believe anything you're told, you deserve to lose your money.
 
Good golly miss Molly what a lot of assumptions in this here thread

Ok, approaching this with a fresh mind on a new day... What I see here is a situation in which, had I been the mentor, I would have done my utmost to re-track the disciple onto the rookie hunting missions - Icarus to Orthos, Half Moon Cove to Phoenix - and spent that time re-adjusting the disciple's expectations to expect loss in TT value during any activity in which money is risked. For years I've had a suspicion that there is such a thing as "too soon to mine", and I believe we have found it.

OP: Apologies for not having been more helpful last night. I was tired and had already clicked "Exit Game" when you brought your issue to Rookie. Now that I have time to look at the situation, I recommend finding a "non-depo hunting" mentor and leaving mining alone until your mentor says you have fully grasped how risk works in Entropia. A second option would be to find an accomplished mining mentor, however, that will require risking money before you have any idea what you're doing, again.

Haruto and Svarog both really nailed it on page 1 of this thread.

Everyone else: OP made this thread at my recommendation. As impressed as I am by the depth of OP's naivete about this "game" and alternate universe - this surreality, as it is, and by his thick stack of assumptions that he brought with him from wherever he came from - I am at least as impressed by the plentiful, most often derogatory, and by the laws of random guesswork most likely mostly wrong assumptions the community have brought to our responses to OP.
- OP is too new to understand precisely how to post about an interaction with another player
- OP was not prepared for this game to be quite as different from other games as it is
- OP posted without already being an expert on EU culture
- etc etc a lot of points similar to the above

... As a footnote, being a new crafter on a small budget and still trying to build stocks of materials, I far prefer to pay year market value for small stacks - stacks small enough that they won't break me. So no, you don't have to have huge stacks in order to sell them, nor even to get full market value for them. And no, you don't need the auction. True, trade chat is hell... but... you have to ask.

... As a final note, if you don't know, you have to ask. I am ashamed and embarrassed by the alacrity with which my community has sought out occasion, any occasion will apparently do, to jump down a newbie's throat. I could almost think that perhaps the community of Entropia Universe is scared spitless of the possibility of new players bringing new money into this game. :wtg::dunce:
 
Its not easy to mentor kids or people that dont accept this as it is. The im never putting real life money issue comes out too often and comparing this to a casino. People should look up and before accepting the TOU, know the meaning and understand what real cash econony is all about.
 
Its not easy to mentor kids or people that dont accept this as it is. The im never putting real life money issue comes out too often and comparing this to a casino. People should look up and before accepting the TOU, know the meaning and understand what real cash econony is all about.
To be fair, "Real Cash Economy" could mean any of many scenarios, ours being one specialized little subset of the possibilities. Most of the easily found (google) information about our game is published by various players, often having less than optimal understanding of what they are publishing about - new arrivals to our universe who don't yet know that it has more depth for them to plumb before they write instructive material. One constructive approach would be for some budding sociologist to make this game the topic of their doctoral thesis, and then youtube it.
 
You have to understand that you can't just do any activity (hunt/mine/craft) and expect to see an easy road to success. Actually, the odds are stacked against you to even break even. You also have to understand the rule of input>output. If everyone was able to turn 11 ped into more than 11 ped (TT value), the game would be paying out more than what was put into it, and EU would go bankrupt. Many high level mentors have a few 'sweet spots' but they will most likely not share them with you, as then you would be competition. If any single activity at a specific location was publicly known to turn a profit, everyone would flock to that area and bleed the markup dry.

Most mentors will not give away items or PED, because those cost money, and I have enough depositing and successful sweat gatherers as disciples, that I can not be bothered to give away free PED to someone who will most likely quit tomorrow, or be an alt account and log off after I give them a few free PED. I mentor with knowledge, not 'giving away free shit'. If you are not willing deposit, or work with resiliency for your own PED (sweat/pick fruit/FAP - OK I lost a few PED but I'm going back to sweat to earn more PED to try again) you are not worth my time as a disciple.
 
Shame you lost all your stuff.

I used to take a few disciples, only really had 1 decent one, who still comes on from time to time.

Had 5 or 6 at 1 time, giving them pixie, kobold, Opalo's etc. to get started, only to never see them again the day after. Now I just don't bother anymore.

Games changed that much anyway, I'd not know what to recommend them item wise. (as I still go by the old guns etc :p )

At the end of the day, you've not lost to much, can lose that amount in 5 minutes hunting, when you get to a higher level :)
 
Starting to understand why so many veterans can't be bothered with mentoring.

Few more of these types of disciples and even the most patient person probably stops wasting time on that part of the game.

Yes, and when you see the item reward for all the help & advice, even Saint Teresa probably would probably give up after a few months.
 
Yes, and when you see the item reward for all the help & advice, even Saint Teresa probably would probably give up after a few months.
True, I still take disciples often enough to keep my roster always full... and I do my best to be the kind of mentor Goatts sketched above... but... the truth is, yes I gave up long ago, and no longer really try to generate graduates. So many quitters, who came into the game with unrealistic expectations... I don't mind that they moved on, but I wish they had told me first so I could mentor someone else. And don't get me started on the drop frequency of Hunter Gloves (F) (the most common thing I get when a disciple graduates, and no they are not (L)...)
Well, in sum, I still think the whole notion of encouraging people to mentor new players is great, but its implementation needs to involve a shorter grind to graduation (not easier, just shorter in terms of hours of play), and a much longer grind to become mentor ready. And more to the point, the real mentoring is usually done by each mentor's friends, and each disciple's friends, while each disciple's mentor is offline. Can we as a community just embrace this state of affairs and move to the real work?

Ok, I'm rambling, but this stuff matters.
 
I wonder if the mentorship should be altered into hunting mentor and mining mentor with lvl 20 required in related skill. you gain rewards depending on which you took, Adj Pixe (or whatever) for hunters and a Adj F-105 for example for miners

i'm with that ! ;)
adj F105 for mining mentor ;)
 
20 ped mining bankroll? Your better off buying 2 $1 scratch off lotto tickets. I don't mean to be harsh but it's the truth.

I used to help people all the time but as many have said its just not worth it, sad but true.

Maybe min level 5 to get a mentor and min level 30 to be one would help ??
 
...I am at least as impressed by the plentiful, most often derogatory, and by the laws of random guesswork most likely mostly wrong assumptions the community have brought to our responses to OP.
- OP is too new to understand precisely how to post about an interaction with another player
- OP was not prepared for this game to be quite as different from other games as it is
- OP posted without already being an expert on EU culture
- etc etc a lot of points similar to the above


1) Is this incorrect? We know that in the forums it is at the very least frowned upon when you start naming names and (subjectively) defaming someone without really a legitimate basis to do so. In fact you're not supposed to be throwing names around in essentially personal issues. I assume this is actually also more of a dig at my comment about using the interface which I also ask, is that incorrect? Because you need to take a bit of time to actually learn basic things. Coming to the forums to badmouth someone really shouldn't be taken lightly and I'd expect if someone wants to even think to do it, that they should at least have had enough hours in the game to find their way around the interface.

2) You said yourself that the player came here with a lot of assumptions. That came through loud and clear in their post. Their reaction to the results of their game experience was a response to their many naive assumptions. So is this incorrect? They weren't, in fact, prepared for the game. If they were they wouldn't have been so upset by a very common occurrence, enough to warrant coming here and making an account and making their very first post on a form about it, along with many screen shots.

3) Well, I don't think we expect them to be an expert on the culture. That's stretching it a bit. But refer to item 1. If you're on a warpath to challenge someone's reputation as the first post you ever make in a community, is it wrong to expect that they should have bothered to take some time to learn the culture of the community they're trying to make a big splash in? They're not talking casual things like clothes and shops and event suggestions. They're pointing at another player who just spent quite some time trying to help. Most don't get even that much. THAT is the culture of EU these days. So how is it incorrect that they really have no clue about the culture and are trying to speak badly about someone when having not enough experience to, frankly, deserve to do so?


This is a really long response to your short-list attempt to slap back at people who, IMHO, are defending a member of this community that tried to help and is now getting shit on because they didn't conjure double rainbows. And I'd rather keep the guy who spent all that time trying to mentor someone, than someone who got on the game expecting aforementioned double rainbow, was disappointed, so they decided to accuse someone of being "bad" without know WTF they're talking about.
 
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