Which effect do you believe have teleporters on our entropian economy ?

Which effect do you believe have teleporters on our entropian economy ?

  • Teleporters weaken the economy

    Votes: 11 19.3%
  • Teleporters strengthen the economy

    Votes: 46 80.7%

  • Total voters
    57
Probably all of them, so far i have spottet a decent number of people who claim that tp's strenghten the economy just because they like tp's - the reasons given why in this thread would make alot of economists cringe.
Players forget that entropias economy can not be compared to earths economy of the 21st century - we are still hunting and mining on entropia our products are primarily in production - the comparison has to be made with earths economy of the medieval age...

so you are saying that you know it better than anyone else anyway, right? why even make a poll when you think everyone else has no clue anyway?
and you didnt argue again with your stupid protective tax argument. so seems you dont know everything either.
and fyi: you cant compare a virtual reality economy with the economy of the medieval age as well. biggest problem is the supply is unlimited. and that point doesnt match any other real life economy. but it is the biggest economy driving factor as supply n demand form it.
 
so you are saying that you know it better than anyone else anyway, right? why even make a poll when you think everyone else has no clue anyway?
and you didnt argue again with your stupid protective tax argument. so seems you dont know everything either.
and fyi: you cant compare a virtual reality economy with the economy of the medieval age as well. biggest problem is the supply is unlimited. and that point doesnt match any other real life economy. but it is the biggest economy driving factor as supply n demand form it.

How many countries worldwide are in debt and how many are in profit ?
Maybe its time to look at the meassures performed by those countries in the profitzone (or otw reducing their debts) instead of looking at those who fail at capitalism when it comes to governments :rolleyes:
 
How many countries worldwide are in debt and how many are in profit ?
Maybe its time to look at the meassures performed by those countries in the profitzone (or otw reducing their debts) instead of looking at those who fail at capitalism when it comes to governments :rolleyes:

your best example will be china then. so you have to supress your citizens and dont care a single dipshit about how they life. and when they say something against you they inprison you. good idea.
maybe you should look at the main reasons why those countries are in debt. then you will see that those have exactly nothing to do with a virtual economy.
 
your best example will be china then. so you have to supress your citizens and dont care a single dipshit about how they life. and when they say something against you they inprison you. good idea.
maybe you should look at the main reasons why those countries are in debt. then you will see that those have exactly nothing to do with a virtual economy.

Is this not how space is? Dont agree with JBK. On the KOS list. Argue with JBK on KOS list. Try to run a space service. On the KOS list. ;)
 
Is this not how space is? Dont agree with JBK. On the KOS list. Argue with JBK on KOS list. Try to run a space service. On the KOS list. ;)

I truely hope you understand economics better then space or what i do in space otherwise your shop wont run well ;)

Neither of what you said is true nor anywhere close to what is done in space.
ToS, KISS, EFA and many other transport providers are working toghether in space in a unified transport channel opposing piracy and slander to provide a professional, clean and safe environment for passengers to travel between planets. To make it on a KOS list you need to try harder ;)
 
your best example will be china then. so you have to supress your citizens and dont care a single dipshit about how they life. and when they say something against you they inprison you. good idea.
maybe you should look at the main reasons why those countries are in debt. then you will see that those have exactly nothing to do with a virtual economy.

You really should do your research - china has enormous debts.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/09/chinas-debt-worse-than-you-think-but-maybe-not-be-a-problem.html
 

http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
feel free to sort after net government dept as % of GDP and search for china.

"It will definitely cause some headaches for Chinese lenders in the coming years, but several economists told CNBC that predictions of a financial crisis misunderstand how China's economy and politics are designed to operate. you really should have read the article you posted before posting it..

"The primary goal of the financial system as a whole is not to make money, it's to obey instructions: The bulk of it is politics first, and profit second," said Derek Scissors, a scholar for the American Enterprise Institute, who added that he doesn't buy "the collapse argument."
from your own source btw.
 
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http://www.worldsrichestcountries.com/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
feel free to sort after net government dept as % of GDP and search for china.

"It will definitely cause some headaches for Chinese lenders in the coming years, but several economists told CNBC that predictions of a financial crisis misunderstand how China's economy and politics are designed to operate.

"The primary goal of the financial system as a whole is not to make money, it's to obey instructions: The bulk of it is politics first, and profit second," said Derek Scissors, a scholar for the American Enterprise Institute, who added that he doesn't buy "the collapse argument."
from your own source btw.

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/china
 
Probably all of them, so far i have spottet a decent number of people who claim that tp's strenghten the economy just because they like tp's - the reasons given why in this thread would make alot of economists cringe.
Players forget that entropias economy can not be compared to earths economy of the 21st century - we are still hunting and mining on entropia our products are primarily in production - the comparison has to be made with earths economy of the medieval age and the 19th century...

Those who claim that goods sell faster due to TP's forget that this is the exact reason that brings markups down - fast sales/overcompetition.
Also the shopowners who claim to have more footfall at their stores, please dont forget that the TP network practically moves the other dozend shops that sell the same stuff as you into the same 'shopping street' - this means 'convenience stores' never get a chance against 'supermarkets' which also kills markup (also it has to be said that the auction house is the biggest supermarket and would need some limitations to give stores a better chance).

There are always someone who benefits either way.

I do think that the majority benefits from having TPs. The customer lvl would prolly be to low and very time consuming if there wasnt any TPs. Yes, you might get a higher markup from what u are selling but for what cost?

The trading economy can also neither be better or worse depending of point of view, no matter how Mindark do it.

The only way for the economy to get better is that ppl buy more peds.
 
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates
and now?
china has around 4-5 times the inhabitants that the US does and has just a 4th of their debt. if you say china is doing really bad then what is the US? lol... and one has to keep in mind that the US belongs to the war winners of 1st and 2nd world war thus getting paid big time by germany and japan.

chinas figures are political, means likely much higher
Both countries have failed managing their economy and have to improve, in the us that went so far as to bring a non-politican into power with a cabinet of ceo's - imo the only way for them to get off their debts and solve their economical issues - but it shows the frustration in the population to support a complete change of the establishment.

Frustration and wish for change we have in our entropian universe alot as well - but we cant change the establishment and can only suggest that they take unpopular decisions to make the economy work.

Why is there no system in place that adjusts droprates based on markups documented in the system ? They still base droprates on amount of products versus size of playerbase even though they have all the data in their database to control productavailability in a much more subtle way limiting overproduction with the same move.

Why is there no 'protection' in the auction house that makes it impossible for players to arranges sales for the purpose of changing the markup, why cant there be a limit to only be able to sell products in a certain range of markups based on historic values -> this would also open up opportunities for shopowners if they want to undercut the auctionhouse. If sales go back in the auction house mindark could drop the allowable range of markups until it picks back up - the system could do that fully automatic.
 
the biggest problem is that the supply is basically limitless (apart from a few items) and the demand very limited. no tp change or space change will have any impact at that. to change that you need to either limit the supply in terms of caps or whatever or (the better option) increase the demand to a level that matches the supply.
thats as easy as it gets.
 
also yes, the US voted a company boss for president. but he certainly wont be able to solve economic problems as he is a very very bad economist. all his money he got via heritage and he drove so many company against the wall... if he just put his money into a bank account he would have made more money with interest income than he made with his failing companys.
 
also yes, the US voted a company boss for president. but he certainly wont be able to solve economic problems as he is a very very bad economist. all his money he got via heritage and he drove so many company against the wall... if he just put his money into a bank account he would have made more money with interest income than he made with his failing companys.

He inherited a million and now has several billions - noway he could have done that with interest against the inflation and valuedecrease of the dollar - we shouldnt get to political in here.
But this clearly shows how split opinions are on the matter.


the biggest problem is that the supply is basically limitless (apart from a few items) and the demand very limited. no tp change or space change will have any impact at that. to change that you need to either limit the supply in terms of caps or whatever or (the better option) increase the demand to a level that matches the supply.
thats as easy as it gets.

I agree that mindark needs to have alot more demand in place for the stuff they drop, its their failure to focus on high turnover (explosives/universal ammo) and not cater to securing a sufficent 'need' for ressources which allows players to generate wealth by working the economy.
Such needs could be in crafting (why does crafting have to fail ? why cant it just consume more and be always a success ? (and sometimes a bigger success influenced by profession level) why is there not more requirements on blueprints in regards to who can craft what ? whats the point in allowing every noob crafter to attempt top end crafting recipes ? an economy needs spread out production and skills are one way to spread it out (why not have special crafting bonuses that come into effect if one specializes into certain crafts by just crafting a certain range of products, crafting other stuff inbetween could drop those bonuses and therefor lead to more crafters working together in crafting chains)).
Why cant there be a way for players to build a biodome from ressources ? Instead of having to pay a straight amount to obtain it from 'nothing'.
Why cant there be a shipyard in space allowing players to build huge spaceships at the expense of enormous amounts of ressources ?
Why cant there be spacestation modules that can be constructed from ressources and can be used to build an entire spacestation which can include biodomes, etc. ?
Why cant there be special ammo, fuel, probes that are more efficent then the standard version but are produced by players ?
Why cant mindark make a big annual sale that does not ask for peds but a huge amount of ressources/products instead -> imagine monria had to be paid in mined ressources when it was for sale.

There is plenty of ways to create demand - they just dont get used yet.
 
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I truely hope you understand economics better then space or what i do in space otherwise your shop wont run well ;)

Neither of what you said is true nor anywhere close to what is done in space.
ToS, KISS, EFA and many other transport providers are working toghether in space in a unified transport channel opposing piracy and slander to provide a professional, clean and safe environment for passengers to travel between planets. To make it on a KOS list you need to try harder ;)

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What a surprise, 78% agree that teleporters strengthen the economy and 22% with vested interests for their removal disagree.

:D
 
well trump managed to raise his money from 200 million dollar to 5 billion debt. thats certainly something good lol. he got lucky that the big banks helped him out. otherwise he would just be a broke moron. now hes only a moron :)
and if he put that money in a fonds or something else with 5% p.a. he would now have around 4 billion incl. inflation.
 
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What a surprise, 78% agree that teleporters strengthen the economy and 22% with vested interests for their removal disagree.

:D

Which vested interests are that again ? You know there is only planetside teleporters right ?
Please check poll and thread title also to differenciate between what we talk about, this is about the economic effect not wether they should be removed/repositioned/reduced or not.
Thought i agree that those are possible consequences and likely the reason why some convenience voters chose 'strengthen' without backing it up with a reasonable economic effect ;)

I really do apreciate both arguments and there can be benefits of connecting certain shops bussinesses appartments with TP's - this however should be pointed out and not generalized - there certainly are alot of detrimental effects too which i pointed out at the start.
 
Which vested interests are that again ? You know there is only planetside teleporters right ?
Please check poll and thread title also to differenciate between what we talk about, this is about the economic effect not wether they should be removed/repositioned/reduced or not.
Thought i agree that those are possible consequences and likely the reason why some convenience voters chose 'strengthen' without backing it up with a reasonable economic effect ;)

I really do apreciate both arguments and there can be benefits of connecting certain shops bussinesses appartments with TP's - this however should be pointed out and not generalized - there certainly are alot of detrimental effects too which i pointed out at the start.

I post this again then :)

There are always someone who benefits either way.

I do think that the majority benefits from having TPs. The customer lvl would prolly be to low and very time consuming if there wasnt any TPs. Yes, you might get a higher markup from what u are selling but for what cost?

The trading economy can also neither be better or worse depending of point of view, no matter how Mindark do it.

The only way for the economy to get better is that ppl buy more peds.
 
You know there is only planetside teleporters right ?

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Teleporters are a good thing, if you disagree then dont use them.

Arguing against them is like saying we should get rid of the car and go back to the horse and cart or getting rid of toilets and throwing excrement out of a pot into the street like in the Middle Ages.
 
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