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Just press F and open de hall of fame list. Look at the crafting hofs and tell me this isn't just outright ridiculous.
There are 100 hofs listed. 95 of them are explosive projectiles. :scratch2:
Jeezzz, only mindless explosives crafters left in EU.
That is just ridiculous. MA, please fix this.:wise:
 
Welcome back to entropia. Hope you enjoyed your stay under a rock.

Been this way for 2 years. Before that it was sights and scopes.
 
I would like the option to filter out all that meaningless crap, so we can see what the real crafters are doing .:yup:
 
You do realise that to get those HOF's they most likely lost even more in peds cycling??
If you don't believe me, get a copy of EP 4 and do your own test...20PED per click...do 1000 clicks and see the result. Then maybe you wont get upset about the HOF board.
 
atomicstorm said:
Welcome back to entropia. Hope you enjoyed your stay under a rock.

Been this way for 2 years. Before that it was sights and scopes.
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Bleh, I think I'll crawl back under it again. Under my rock happens more than at the crafting terminal. :rolleyes:

No before that it was also amps if I remember correctly.

Btw, I did already notice it before but never actually bothered to spill my frustration over it.
Felt in a whining mood, so here it is.

Fix this economy killing nanocube BS!
 
Darth Revan said:
You do realise that to get those HOF's they most likely lost even more in peds cycling??
If you don't believe me, get a copy of EP 4 and do your own test...20PED per click...do 1000 clicks and see the result. Then maybe you wont get upset about the HOF board.
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I dont care how much each hof costs. The fact that 95% of all crafting hofs are made with TT nanocubes is just ridiculous!
 
wizz said:
I dont care how much each hof costs. The fact that 95% of all crafting hofs are made with TT nanocubes is just ridiculous!
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95% of all hunting HOF's are made with TT ammo
95% of all Mining HOF's are made with TT Probes

but it's not ok for crafting?

Your theory on the EP blueprint destroying markup is not sound:

Quantium Ingot - 116%
Alternative Ingot - 122%
Ignisium Ingot - 129%

That's from the first page on caly auction under metal ingots. Note those are the daily/weekly MU's that have sold, not what people are trying to sell them for on the auction right now. I don't think i need to go through the other 65 pages to find more let alone go through the enmatter and other mats.
 
Darth Revan said:
95% of all hunting HOF's are made with TT ammo
95% of all Mining HOF's are made with TT Probes

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I knew you're going to mention this.
Well, if you want to compare it that way and think it's cool this way, be my guest. Feel free to have your own opinion.

But you tend to forget that in the glorious past the crafters were actually using the stuff that hunters and miners found.
Now hunters and miners are getting obsolete for the crafting process.
Bye bye hunters, bye bye miners. Hello my new friend TT terminal with your endless supply of nanocubes!
 
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This is just a wish, that probably is impossible to fulfill, but imo it's time to implement
features where *every* part we craft can be usefull.
Items could be dismantled to parts used for various repairs and improvements.
Same with components, they should also be used for repair and improvements.
System already exist so, so nothing new here, just expanded to a lot of things.
Some examples where to use is could be more advanced space upgrades and repairs,
defense systems for villages, and so on and so on.

This way we can go both ways, crafting Explosives and/or parts needed in features.
 
wizz said:
Just press F and open de hall of fame list. Look at the crafting hofs and tell me this isn't just outright ridiculous.
There are 100 hofs listed. 95 of them are explosive projectiles. :scratch2:
Jeezzz, only mindless explosives crafters left in EU.
That is just ridiculous. MA, please fix this.:wise:
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So are you telling me Mindark does click EP on player's funds without their consent ?:)
 
messi91 said:
So are you telling me Mindark does click EP on player's funds without their consent ?:)
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huh :scratch2:

Why are you talking in riddles to me?

Am I drunk? Did I write a post I'm not aware of?

I think I was just saying how ridiculously boring the hof list is. :laugh:
 
Mark up on ores etc does not prove all is well with crafting
Firstly take a look at how much is sold for those MU's often the amount is tiny and therefore the figure is not realistic.
Secondly MU on Ores and other materials is driven by availability and demand. If the market is saturated it will drop, if demand is high it may rise.
But since the amount of any ore varies weekly if not daily, and the items crafted likewise the correlation is neither simple nor direct. (see market price crash after a tower or 2)
What is more important to a crafter is that they can get sufficient mu on the end product to make a small profit after all ingredients used and their mu is covered.
EP crafters sit outside this as they pay no MU, nor do they get MU most times as they feed the results straight back to the TT.

But this is all aside from the main concern here, which is most crafters now feel they are seen as worthless. Few crafters of actual components or items make it onto the HOF board because it is full of the EP gamblers.
I therefore agree with SoReal, can we please be able to filter out the EP crafters, preferably to a table of their own. They can then compare their gambling with other gamblers, while other crafters on the main crafting HOF table can get some kudos for their efforts
I would also like to see MA separate the loot pool for the EP. Many crafters feel the poor returns of late are due to the large number of EP HOFs. This may or may not be true but if separated then at least the true state of affairs would have some transparency. Though tbh I doubt MA would dare.
 
wizz said:
Just press F and open de hall of fame list. Look at the crafting hofs and tell me this isn't just outright ridiculous.
There are 100 hofs listed. 95 of them are explosive projectiles. :scratch2:
Jeezzz, only mindless explosives crafters left in EU.
That is just ridiculous. MA, please fix this.:wise:
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Yes sad to say, after MA looked into their Casino deal and found it could make them a lot more money I think that is why we are seeing this shift. At the end it is sad, just hope MA can work something out to make this a great Virtual Casino.

Now not saying this is bad for the game.

(FYI Kim or even MA, you can jump in at anytime and give us your views)
 
wizz said:
huh :scratch2:

Why are you talking in riddles to me?

Am I drunk? Did I write a post I'm not aware of?

I think I was just saying how ridiculously boring the hof list is. :laugh:
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Imagine no one will ever click EP BP for the next 3 years.Lets just pretend it I know its impossible :)
What do you think Mindark will do?:)
Stop blame Mindark just because you are weak and you chase ATH.Its 100% players fault.Deal with it.
 
Darth Revan said:
95% of all hunting HOF's are made with TT ammo
95% of all Mining HOF's are made with TT Probes
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Most mining hofs are not made with just tt probes, they are made with mining amps that have markup.

Most hunting globals and hofs are made while getting armor and fap decay, not just ammo.
 
Xen said:
Most mining hofs are not made with just tt probes, they are made with mining amps that have markup.

Most hunting globals and hofs are made while getting armor and fap decay, not just ammo.
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How dare you use logic?
 
wizz said:
But you tend to forget that in the glorious past the crafters were actually using the stuff that hunters and miners found.
Now hunters and miner are getting obsolete for the crafting process.
Buy buy hunters, bye bye miners. Hello my new friend TT terminal with your endless supply of nanocubes!
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You forget that in the "Glorious" past days, hunters/miners had to buy stuff from crafters...but today hunters don't need to as most things drop from mobs. Miners had the worse of it but MU is still there on ores/enmatter as i previously posted so they just need to change their tactics.

None of the three main professions are going anywhere...there are still plenty of hunters/miners and actual crafters (not gamblers)...just because the HOF board is lit up with EP doesn't mean thats the only thing people are doing. The reason it's lit up is because the high cost per click on EP4 so therefore any HOF's are going to be huge when using EP 4.

Also if you look at the names, it is generally the same people over and over again...you know who the gamblers are by looking at that. They are not the only ones crafting in this game.

The other thing you need to remember is that when they HOF...it's all TT food...they can't really sell it for MU. In this game, playing to TT is a sure way to lose a lot of PEDS as you are playing against MA and not other players.

FYI #37 on the HOF board from crafting is Terra Amp 9(L)
 
Darth Revan said:
95% of all hunting HOF's are made with TT ammo
95% of all Mining HOF's are made with TT Probes
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I was just sitting on the toilet when this thought struck me.

You're wrong.
hunting and mining hofs are made with TT ammo/probes + a lot of time spend

you have to buy the initial stuff from TT indeed, but then hunting and mining require time and effort.

carfting now just requires a ped card and thats it.
No more interaction with people/mobs/scenery or whatever.

just one walk to the TT, second walk to the crafting terminal, set on 100.000 clicks and then off to work, or whatever you do IRL.

Is that what we want in EU?

Freakin' boring if you'd ask me!
 
messi91 said:
Imagine no one will ever click EP BP for the next 3 years.Lets just pretend it I know its impossible :)
What do you think Mindark will do?:)
Stop blame Mindark just because you are weak and you chase ATH.Its 100% players fault.Deal with it.
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...and again you lost me. :scratch2:

I'm blaming MA that I'm weak? Where did I write that?
Me chasing ATH? Lol, if ever. Nah, I'm fairly sure that will never happen so I wont chase ATH's.
 
wizz said:
Freakin' boring if you'd ask me!
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No argument there...the action of crafting has always been boring though once you have the materials.
Before you had to click every time to craft, then came along auto use which helped alot but now you dont need to do anything while crafting.
 
Darth Revan said:
No argument there...the action of crafting has always been boring though once you have the materials.
Before you had to click every time to craft, then came along auto use which helped alot but now you dont need to do anything while crafting.
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well, the fact that crafting is boring is not the subject here.
The fact that 95% of all that is crafted is EP, that's boring!

But the fact that you can buy your materials from the TT does make it even more boring than it already was, for the reasons mentioned above.
 
wizz said:
hunting and mining hofs are made with Universal Ammo, TT ammo/probes + a lot of time spend

you might have to buy the initial stuff from TT occasionally, but then hunting and mining require time and effort.
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Corrections above since finders now use UA instead of probes magically somehow. :scratch2:

For those who didn't know MA changed that about a year ago.
 
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SoReal said:
I would like the option to filter out all that meaningless crap, so we can see what the real crafters are doing .:yup:
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THIS!

I would love a separate HoF category for Explosive Projectiles so I can ignore it. But MA will never do that. Better not to spotlight EP IV to the swedish gambling authorities :wise:
 
Darth Revan said:
95% of all hunting HOF's are made with TT ammo
95% of all Mining HOF's are made with TT Probes
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Did you factor in hunters and miners using (L) gear in those numbers?

Sure, top level players use shadow, mod merc and mod fap... but most people use (L) gear to at least some extent. Especially for top level items that are affordable as (L). And, even top levle players with otherwise repairable Equipment use (L) in the form of enhancers (for instance damage enhancers and mining depth enhancers). And for miners don't forget the (L) mining amps.
 
Darth Revan said:
95% of all hunting HOF's are made with TT ammo
95% of all Mining HOF's are made with TT Probes

but it's not ok for crafting?

Your theory on the EP blueprint destroying markup is not sound:

Quantium Ingot - 116%
Alternative Ingot - 122%
Ignisium Ingot - 129%

That's from the first page on caly auction under metal ingots. Note those are the daily/weekly MU's that have sold, not what people are trying to sell them for on the auction right now. I don't think i need to go through the other 65 pages to find more let alone go through the enmatter and other mats.
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Yeah totally unfair . Crafters need armor decay and fap and tool cost too !
 
Spawn said:
Yeah totally unfair . Crafters need armor decay and fap and tool cost too !
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Ya, bring back shop can pvp! It used to be fun to kill all the avatars in the shop cans. So much butt hurt :laugh:
 
If you are upset ep destroyed crafting, then you are upset for nothing. Crafting was broken before EP were introduced, mining ore/en markups were plummeting BEFORE EP's were even introduced. There is nothing worth crafting anymore as there are far too many althernatives, especially for guns and armour and gun amps and healing tools. The onlly things worth crafting....i.e. actually sell, are mining depth enh, weapon dam en, mining amps...thats about it. So if you take away EP, all that will happen is that the hof board will be full of high level amp crafters, and thats about it. Oh and metal residue will rise in price by around 20% and mining amps will increase in price. And weekly turnover in crafting will go down by around 80%. Before EP the rough turnover on entropialife.com was 500k, now its 3m because of EP. So take it away will ONLY mean it will go back down to 500k again. Argue all you want, the numbers tell it how it is.

OR

If you are complaining that the hof board only shows EP. Then i suggest you don't look at it.

OR

Yoy just felt like complaining....


Then please carry on...


Rgds

Ace
 
aia said:
Did you factor in hunters and miners using (L) gear in those numbers?

Sure, top level players use shadow, mod merc and mod fap... but most people use (L) gear to at least some extent. Especially for top level items that are affordable as (L). And, even top levle players with otherwise repairable Equipment use (L) in the form of enhancers (for instance damage enhancers and mining depth enhancers). And for miners don't forget the (L) mining amps.
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Hey give crafters "crafting enhancers" or "crafting amps" to go with the EP 4 blueprint and bet your ass they would use it. I'm surprised MA hasn't actually thought of introducing this to help with them making peds...maybe its in the works???
 
Spawn said:
Yeah totally unfair . Crafters need armor decay and fap and tool cost too !
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Extremely unfair!!!... I mean they only have to deal with a 25-40% success rate instead....how would your returns be if majority of the creatures you hunt were no looters or return a third or less of what you spent to kill them??? Miners can understand this by going indoor mining, yet when they hit it is usually much bigger than normal. When crafters get a success, it usually is only the return of that click unless its a multi.

That's using quantity slider as well, switch to condition and success rate goes down to 5-10% (if your lucky)...but then pretty much guaranteed at multi on the success when you get one.
 
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