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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteknut View Post
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    On condition i bet I am talking about quantity clicking.

    Level 6 is not multiplier blueprint (minimum success on quantity is lower than tt input or about the same).
    Yes on condition, on quantity indeed is a little lower than tt input , but on L bp on condition every succes is full tt item .
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    But the fact is L bp with huge MU usually are not made for clicking it on quantity, only if it's one of extremely high ped per click like mod firaco evil , or stuff like warp drive , or any other but in this case the MU is huge at the bp and even at the item. The rest of them where you pay L bp @250 ped 30 uses with a 25 ped included MU per click , are good to make condition clicks because , or you lose 1 k or you can win 3 k even without hitting a success
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    The key to recognizing 'boosted' blueprints is that they tend to drop with successes that have lower than normal tt. MA is sort of 'selling' those to you at a MU already.

    (This is stated in the OP, I just wanted to reiterate )
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    Quote Originally Posted by livius View Post
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    But the fact is L bp with huge MU usually are not made for clicking it on quantity, only if it's one of extremely high ped per click like mod firaco evil , or stuff like warp drive , or any other but in this case the MU is huge at the bp and even at the item. The rest of them where you pay L bp @250 ped 30 uses with a 25 ped included MU per click , are good to make condition clicks because , or you lose 1 k or you can win 3 k even without hitting a success
    Just the opposite.
    On boosted or multiplier bps(as i call them) you should click on quantity as most of the times you profit.
    You are talking about unboosted, regular L bps (warp drive, level 6, level 4).

    Fast example:
    you take animal brush bp with 25 clicks, you pay 30 ped per bp click and 12ped on materials = 42ped each click = 1050ped you spend.
    You will get back 90%*58(minimum success loot)*25= 1305ped (easy 255ped profit)

    But if you click it on condition you very often get all failures on such low amount of clicks (so total loss is 1050ped).

    Sure Condition clicking can pay off if you have more than 1 success per 10-15clicks.. but these high multiplier (boosted) blueprints are very often just 1-5 click bps (so you dont have chance to do those 10-15 clicks to get this nice success)

    Condition clicking anything below 1000clicks is gambling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haruto Rat View Post
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    The key to recognizing 'boosted' blueprints is that they tend to drop with successes that have lower than normal tt. MA is sort of 'selling' those to you at a MU already.

    (This is stated in the OP, I just wanted to reiterate )
    Yup, i forgot to mention it again, but this is what i meant. But very often they are looted in big 800ped hofs, so you dont think you are missing something. Like i had 2k ped bp in 1k ped Re101 hof (1 ped per click UL bp)

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    Ok, I admit I am getting confused.

    Whiteknut, say you have a Golden Key BP (L) 15 clicks

    The BP cost around 100Ped, the cost per click say is around 500Ped.

    Questions
    1. Now would you consider this a multiplier or regular?
    2. Would you click on Quantity (I would as you need as many keys as possible)
    3. Would you add Metal Residue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Few Scars View Post
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    Ok, I admit I am getting confused.

    Whiteknut, say you have a Golden Key BP (L) 15 clicks

    The BP cost around 100Ped, the cost per click say is around 500Ped.

    Questions
    1. Now would you consider this a multiplier or regular?
    2. Would you click on Quantity (I would as you need as many keys as possible)
    3. Would you add Metal Residue?
    1.To answer your questions i have to ask, what is the minimum tt of success? If it is significally higher, then it is multiplier blueprint.
    2. I would as Golden key itself has high markup.
    3. No (tt of it doesnt matter)

    I think Golden key blueprint is non multiplier blueprint, but it is rare blueprint (but the biggest cost in this case are the materials and most likely it is not worth clicking unless you can sell it for higher price than the materials+ blueprint cost you).


    How to determine if BP is multiplier? Look at tt input, look at minimum success value tt (if it is significally higher than tt input, then it is multiplier blueprint (or boosted as some name it). Some multiplier blueprints are not worth crafting (as materials are too expensive, like achilles level 3 was when gold price was over 200%)

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    I looked at boosted (or multiplier) bps when I was doing an analysis of how the EU economy was changing. Specifically, i wanted to know if the EP bps dropped any boosted bps, but I couldn't find enough information to determine. I hope they don't. I want the big gambling sector of the economy as separated from the rest of the game economy as possible.

    One of the other things I wondered about, was if any of the bps for which mats don't drop any more were boosted bps. Recently, MA has started dropping a lot of stuff in the game that cannot be TTed, tying up a lot of ped. I know that a lot of these "orphan" bps are UL, but if some of them are boosted L bps, and if the theory is right that the system puts TT value into these bps when they are created, then that means that the precedent of MA tying up ped goes back further than we think.

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    I remember back in the day, the nano daikatana (L) print was always a winner. Full tt blade and invariably a gem or two. Was a lucky day when that dropped.
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    Bumping with info I posted in another thread:

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    Screw that, sharing is caring.

    Heck, here is a list of all the 'profit bps' at least according to entropedia

    *Adapted Force Mace Basher (L) Blueprint (L)
    *Adapted Montgomery Anabolic (L) Blueprint (L)
    *Advanced Animal Brush (L) Blueprint (L)
    *Advanced Cooling System Unit Blueprint (L)
    *Advanced Fluid Energy Source Blueprint (L)
    *Advanced Heavy Springs Blueprint (L)
    *Advanced Spur Gears 6k Blueprint (L)
    *Animal Brush (L) Blueprint (L)
    Aquila Arm Guards (L) Blueprint (L)
    Aquila Gloves (L) Blueprint (L)
    Aquila Harness (L) Blueprint (L)
    Aquila Thigh Guards (L) Blueprint (L)
    Arc Blueprint (L)
    BodyGuard Foot Guards Blueprint (L)
    Breer M1a (L) Blueprint (L)
    Breer M2a (L) Blueprint (L)
    Breer M3a (L) Blueprint (L)
    Breer M4a (L) Blueprint (L)
    Breer P1a (L) Blueprint (L)
    Breer P2a (L) Blueprint (L)
    Breer P3a (L) Blueprint (L)
    Breer P4a (L) Blueprint (L)
    Breer P5a (L) Blueprint (L)
    Bullseye 2 Blueprint (L)
    Bullseye 3 Blueprint (L)
    Bullseye 4 Blueprint (L)
    Bull Tac10 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Bull Tac20 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Bull Tac40 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Canis Arm Guards (L) Blueprint (L)
    Canis Foot Guards (L) Blueprint (L)
    Canis Gloves (L) Blueprint (L)
    Canis Harness (L) Blueprint (L)
    Canis Shin Guards (L) Blueprint (L)
    Canis Thigh Guards (L) Blueprint (L)
    Cold Fabric Blueprint (L)
    Corvus Arm Guards (L) Blueprint (L)
    Dominax Original Mamba (L) Blueprint (L)
    Dominax Original Viper (L) Blueprint (L)
    *Finder F-210 (L) Blueprint (L)
    *Finder F-211 (L) Blueprint (L)
    *Finder F-212 (L) Blueprint (L)
    *Finder F-213 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Force Mace Assail (L) Blueprint (L)
    Force Mace Basher (L) Blueprint (L)
    Force Mace Clobber (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek AL15 Taurus (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek AL17 Auriga (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek AL21 Canis (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek AL22 Lupus (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek AL24 Scorpius (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek AL26 Serpentis (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek AL29 Felis (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H21 Scrof (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H23 Crista (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H25 Mikus (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H27 Vilitus (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H33 Uti (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H28 Hokipus (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H40 Brody (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H45 Ortso (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H46 Menes (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H49 Poros (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek H1051 Kisf (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek LP120 Niloticus (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek LP470 Manis (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek LP175 Sphyra (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek LP485 Apis (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek LP510 Huo (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek LP540 Tau (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek LP525 Geke (L) Blueprint (L)
    GeoTrek LR47 Ursus (L) Blueprint
    GYRO Combat FAP-2 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO Combat FAP-14 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO Combat FAP-18 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO Combat FAP-26 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO Combat FAP-40 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO Combat FAP-35 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO Combat FAP-65 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-6 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-10 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-14 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-18 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-22 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-26 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-30 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-35 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-40 (L) Blueprint (L)
    GYRO FAP-50 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Headshot 2 Blueprint (L)
    Headshot 3 Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key I(L) Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key II(L) Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key III(L) Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key IV(L) Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key IX(L) Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key V(L) Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key VI(L) Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key VII(L) Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key VIII(L) Blueprint (L)
    Hell Key X(L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-5 Desert (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-6 Arctic (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-21 Desert (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-23 Jungle (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-34 Desert (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-38 Jungle (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-46 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-50 Arctic (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-54 Desert (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-65 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ARK-75 Arctic (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-7 Arctic (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-7 Desert (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-11 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-7 Jungle (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-21 Arctic (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-24 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-21 Desert (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-32 Desert (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-33 Arctic (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-33 Jungle (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-37 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Herman ASI-42 Desert (L) Blueprint (L)

    More herman I didnt list

    Hero's Sword Blueprint (L)
    Hotfoot 15 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Hotfoot 20 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Hoverpod Mk1 (C,L) Blueprint (L)
    Hydra Arm Guards (L) Blueprint (L)
    Hydra Gloves (L) Blueprint (L)
    Kesmek Bett (L) Blueprint (L)
    Kesmek Bik (L) Blueprint (L)
    Kesmek Slo (L) Blueprint (L)
    Kesmek Vass (L) Blueprint (L)
    Kitane Chair Blueprint (L)
    Kriegerum G.1 Gauss Rifle (L) Blueprint (L)
    Kriegerum G.2 Gauss Rifle (L) Blueprint (L)
    Large Plug Blueprint (L)
    Level 1 Finder Amplifer (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 2 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 2 Finder Amplifier Light (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 3 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 3 Finder Amplifier Light (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 4 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 5 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 6 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 7 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 8 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 9 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 10 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 11 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 12 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level 13 Finder Amplifier (L) Blueprint (L)
    Level I Finder Amplifier 'Achilles' (L) Blueprint (L)
    Lockpick Kit Series Blueprint (L)
    Lodod Tanktop Blueprint (L)
    Longreach 1 Blueprint (L)
    Longreach 2 Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Cutter One (L) Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Cutter Three (L) Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Cutter Two (L) Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Masher One (L) Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Masher Two (L) Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Scratcher One (L) Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Scratcher Two (L) Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Smacker One (L) Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Smacker Three (L) Blueprint (L)
    Loughlin Smacker Two (L) Blueprint (L)
    Maddox IV Blueprint (L)
    MAKO FAL-2 (L) Blueprint (L)
    MAKO FAL-4 (L) Blueprint (L)
    MAKO FAL-3 (L) Blueprint (L)
    MAKO FAL-5 (L) Blueprint (L)
    MANTA K-2 (L) Blueprint (L)
    MANTA K-3 (L) Blueprint (L)
    MANTA K-4 (L) Blueprint (L)
    MANTA K-5 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Metallic Bone Replacement Blueprint (L)
    Montgomery Diabolic (L) Blueprint (L)
    Montgomery Anabolic (L) Blueprint (L)
    Nano Dai-Katana (L) Blueprint (L)
    Omegaton Bur Ning (L) Blueprint (L)
    Nano Katana (L) Blueprint (L)
    Omegaton Chillwind (L) Blueprint (L)
    Omegaton Flashfire (L) Blueprint (L)
    Omegaton Frostbite (L) Blueprint (L)
    Omegaton Full Spectrum Sword (L) Blueprint (L)
    Omegaton Jupiter (L) Blueprint (L)
    Omegaton Lightning Dagger (L) Blueprint (L)
    OreMiner OM-201 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Prosecutor M15 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Prosecutor M35 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Prosecutor M45 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Pulsar Armour Plate 1 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Pulsar Armour Plate 2 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Pulsar Armour Plate 4 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Pulsar Armour Plate 7 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Pulsar Armour Plate 8 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Rage 10 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Rage 45 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Rutic Bett (L) Blueprint (L)
    Rutic Blix (L) Blueprint (L)
    Rutic Kil (L) Blueprint (L)
    Rutic Slo (L) Blueprint (L)
    Small Plugs Blueprint (L)
    Small Red Display Panel Blueprint (L)
    Spear Mk. III (L) Blueprint (L)
    Svempa S40 (L) blueprint (L)
    Svempa S60 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Svempa X1 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Svempa T15 (L) blueprint (L)
    Svempa XT (L) Blueprint (L)
    T-Angle Blueprint (L)
    Terra Amp 2 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Terra Amp 3 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Terra Amp 4 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Entire series of Terra Amp
    Terra Amp I 'Athena' (L) Blueprint (L)
    Terra Amp IV 'Athena' (L) Blueprint (L)
    Terra Amp VI 'Athena' (L) Blueprint (L)
    TerraMaster 2 (L) Blueprint (L)
    TerraMaster 3-8 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Vivo Oxy1500 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Vivo Neo (L) Blueprint (L)
    Vivo Oxy2000 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Vivo Oxy2500 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Vivo T5 (L) blueprint (L)
    Vivo T10 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Vivo T15 (L) blueprint (L)
    Vivo T20 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Vivo UR175 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Vivo UR200 (L) Blueprint (L)
    Vivo Zychion Pro (L) Blueprint (L)
    Willard Heatray A (L) Blueprint (L)
    Willard Heatray B (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex TK120 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex TK220 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex TK320 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex VRX2000 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex VRX3000 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex Z5 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex Z10 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex Z15 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex Z20 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)
    Ziplex Z25 Seeker (L) Blueprint (L)




    The trick is, it has to be a L BP that has a UL version that uses the same materials as the L version, 1:1 cost. They give the bonus ped because of the L bp using the same materials but not being unlimited. These all fit that requirement if entropedia is correct. Ones with a star are personally tested by myself.
    Lets get more people crafting with real items again to find these BP's! No more explosive. If this doesn't fix it nothing will :p

    All you explosive haters, you're welcome.

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