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Is there a solution to MM - what would we like to see?

Xen said:
You would be in a very small minority of lower/mid level players that consistently use unl non-sib weapons, you wouldn't win a category with that either. So, not to be rude, but this example does nothing to invalidate my idea.
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Please don't make assumptions.

I do not consistently use Non SIB UL.
I have several setups, depending on the situation. Including UL SIB Gear
Sometimes I just like to get out and have a bit of fun with higher DPS & throw the Eco out the window.
I'm not in the Event to win, I know I'll never get the same kill count as the big guys. Sometimes a change of environment is nice.

Sorry to OP for getting off topic
 
StarDrifter said:
Please don't make assumptions.

I do not consistently use Non SIB UL.
I have several setups, depending on the situation. Including UL SIB Gear
Sometimes I just like to get out and have a bit of fun with higher DPS & throw the Eco out the window.
I'm not in the Event to win, I know I'll never get the same kill count as the big guys. Sometimes a change of environment is nice.

Sorry to OP for getting off topic
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You wouldn't be prevented from participating, you could just use L stuff (or unl sib). The main idea is to get the tier 10 mod mercs and foerippers out of the lower categories.
 
Xen said:
You would be in a very small minority of lower/mid level players that consistently use unl non-sib weapons, you wouldn't win a category with that either. So, not to be rude, but this example does nothing to invalidate my idea.
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small minority of lower/mid level players = even smaller prize.Seems fair to me.
 
Xen said:
They could bring back the categories based on professional level and simply not allow unlimited non-sib weapons in the <75 level categories (cats 1-3 I think it was). This is what the alts were doing to win.
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Don´t think that would work well.

My idea is:

Make Cat linked to DPS not to avatar skill.
If someone carry gun, that does above the DPS-limit, he can´t enter that instance.

Easy as that, all UBER gear banned from lower Cats :D
 
Hypnotyk said:
make it a combination of old school levels but take agility into consideration too... that way people cant chip out and compete in lower levels
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Best suggestion , but still agility can grow fast at low lvl , hunting for 1 month doing some missions with agility rewards... best to do I think is to be like this cat 1 under 150 atributes points , cat 2 to 150 to 250 , cat 3 250 - 350 , cat 4 350 - 500 , cat 5 over 500 atributes points.
As the problem with the "new player " who wants to compet in top MM cat , he has cat 1 or 2 and all the year to Skill Up and keep skilling the rest of the year till the next MM event , that's the way that he can get prepared wisely.
It's the top event for all of us , noobs with noobs and ubers with ubers.
Same as in football, champions leagues for the uber teams and Europa league for the not so good teams.
 
GoNi said:
Don´t think that would work well.

My idea is:

Make Cat linked to DPS not to avatar skill.
If someone carry gun, that does above the DPS-limit, he can´t enter that instance.

Easy as that, all UBER gear banned from lower Cats :D
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Then someone who has invested time and money tiering a level appropriate unl sib weapon has no advantage, they just get bumped to a higher category which may not even be appropriate for their skills.
 
duncis said:
Could this event be better? Ofc it could, but not with silly suggestions, dumb insertions, useless meme's.
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Isnt that YOUR opinion?
What you think to be silly might not be silly for the other.

Isnt that the idea of brainstorming? Even silly ideas are welcome! That's the whole point of a brainstorm!

And as you said, if it aint broken, dont fix it.
Well, appearantly it is broken since the majority thinks it is and doesnt want to join MM anymore.

If everybody wants to partake again, then it is fixed!

How, I dont know and dont dare to brainstorm anymore in fear of being called a whiner or whatever.

you win.
Have it your way.
Have fun.
 
I am repeating myself and elaborating on things written already.

1. Go back to category system, relative to your highest combat pro standing.
- Of course the top category should get the best rewards, I see the top category reward list being something like what we now have.

- The lower category rewards should be relevant things for the category, like (L) weapons for that lvl, pills, pets. Maybe even make the lower categories reward the top 100 or at least rank them as such to give some motivation.

2. Equipment check-in
- If you want to compete with your UL weapon you have to agree to lock that equipment to your avatar for the duration of the event. ie cant be traded.

- Obviously to combat scenarios where someone competes with all their alts.
 
Xen said:
Then someone who has invested time and money tiering a level appropriate unl sib weapon has no advantage, they just get bumped to a higher category which may not even be appropriate for their skills.
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????

He can fight in the cat where his UL gun belongs too.

The skills don´t matter much, its the DPS that matters.

Why THE TERMINATOR won nearly every event last couple of years?
Its because DPS, not because skills.

Another question, if I am maxed on UL Sib gun and tir it to T10, am I no longer maxed with it?
Why doesn´t the higher dps class (if that should be the case) no longer fit his skill level?

Well maybe it no longer fits his armor level or fap level, but then its simple: use a smaller gun to stay in the lower class instead your f... best gun you can use.

I wouldn´t even mind if some 500k+ skills player grabs a 10 dps gun to compete in the lowest class, as this player has no advantage vs every other player in that cat.
But if that 500k+ skills player just use an alt for the event to shoot his tir 10 ModMerc in the lowest class, that is what sucks!

Thats why skill caps can´t work, it needs dps caps for the different cats, to be fair play.
 
GoNi said:
????

He can fight in the cat where his UL gun belongs too.

The skills don´t matter much, its the DPS that matters.

Why THE TERMINATOR won nearly every event last couple of years?
Its because DPS, not because skills.

Another question, if I am maxed on UL Sib gun and tir it to T10, am I no longer maxed with it?
Why doesn´t the higher dps class (if that should be the case) no longer fit his skill level?

Well maybe it no longer fits his armor level or fap level, but then its simple: use a smaller gun to stay in the lower class instead your f... best gun you can use.

I wouldn´t even mind if some 500k+ skills player grabs a 10 dps gun to compete in the lowest class, as this player has no advantage vs every other player in that cat.
But if that 500k+ skills player just use an alt for the event to shoot his tir 10 ModMerc in the lowest class, that is what sucks!

Thats why skill caps can´t work, it needs dps caps for the different cats, to be fair play.
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You don't hunt much do you?
 
duncis said:
If Merry Mayhem would be something people could work towards all year long and then at the christmas time they can be awarded with a chhance to participate.
So if there would be a ladder or some kind of minimum global count per year or some other activity that wuld then mean there is no more troubles with so called alt avatars that borrow gear just for events...

Just an idea, its maybe not good but this is the direction i think in!

/Soko
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+1, sounds great! also an award for the activity during the year, some buffs for the duration of the event maybe, crit dmg or something, give girts ul est so he shut up about it already :D

Mega said:
I guess, everyone else's opinion on which viewpoint is the one they share.

Not just the people who have a vested interested in keeping things the same. ;)
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When you want to attract investors in general, you have to offer some kind of predictability. It's the same with EU. People complain that the same players win all the events. Well, guess what, this game is not a casino, it's not pure luck to win a place in the top, it requires a lot of effort, skills (both strategy and actual skills) and money. And it's the same group of people that are willing to put these on the line. These people shoot in a day maybe as much as gwit since he started playing,

gwit said:
Interested in what ideas the community has to sort out MM. (Yes, this predisposes that I think there is an issue with it).
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M8, you have an average of 35 globals a year - about as much as one of the top players of these events does in a bad day. How do you know the game needs to be sorted if you're not actively playing it ?
 
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GoNi said:
????

He can fight in the cat where his UL gun belongs too.

The skills don´t matter much, its the DPS that matters.

Why THE TERMINATOR won nearly every event last couple of years?
Its because DPS, not because skills.

Another question, if I am maxed on UL Sib gun and tir it to T10, am I no longer maxed with it?
Why doesn´t the higher dps class (if that should be the case) no longer fit his skill level?

Well maybe it no longer fits his armor level or fap level, but then its simple: use a smaller gun to stay in the lower class instead your f... best gun you can use.

I wouldn´t even mind if some 500k+ skills player grabs a 10 dps gun to compete in the lowest class, as this player has no advantage vs every other player in that cat.
But if that 500k+ skills player just use an alt for the event to shoot his tir 10 ModMerc in the lowest class, that is what sucks!

Thats why skill caps can´t work, it needs dps caps for the different cats, to be fair play.
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If for example you are level 85 and you get bumped up into cat5 because your gun has "too much dps", that is a bad situation for him, his evade and possibly other gear are not suitable for that.. And that's the gun that player has, he's supposed to get another one now?

It sounds like you just wanted everything pretty much equal and luck mostly determines the outcome. Most people were complaining that 1) they have no chance against the ubers and 2) with categories there were alts with uber unl non-sib guns winning. My idea solves both of those problems.
 
Evey said:
M8, you have an average of 35 globals a year - about as much as one of the top players of these events does in a bad day. How do you know the game needs to be sorted if you're not actively playing it ?
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M8 you assume that everything globals big - I usually play for two to three hours most days (and that is after 12 hour days working) - some days more. I don't get a great many globals on what I hunt....but hey, whats the relevance to the question?

and actually the question here is just MM. If you think it is great and doesn't require any changes then that's just great for you. That's the trouble with opinions - we all have one :)
 
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Just some unstructured thoughts from someone back from a few months break.

The reward has got to be worth the risk. I would love to know what exactly (peds - just for the event, forget the years of skilling & investment in gear involved) it takes to be placed. I'd also be interested in seeing the cost for those sitting just outside the placing - but we dont know who those peeps are (or was that info released?). I dont expect an answer to the cost question, but i would imagine that its a fuck ton. This would not happen if the potential reward was not significant. Surely this churn has got to be good for the game?

The new weapons definitely change the playing field when compared with whats out there. But...at least there are now more potential winning weapons.

We have a few different events already; Champions League, MM style events (Halloween, etc), Gold Rush, Screenshot Capture type competitions, Land Area events. I think there is something for most players already. I like MM. I've only ever been placed in the lower categories of the old style level-capped events, and clearly have no chance in the new format. Its something to aspire too though.
 
gwit said:
M8 you assume that everything globals big - I usually play for two to three hours most days (and that is after 12 hour days working) - some days more. I don't get a great many globals on what I hunt....but hey, whats the relevance to the question?

and actually the question here is just MM. If you think it is great and doesn't require any changes then that's just great for you. That's the trouble with opinions - we all have one :)
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I don't think MM is perfect, far from it. I think that I'm unable to pinpoint exactly what the issues are and the issues I may have with it may make me have biased opinions. I also think that this trend of players with little activity in the game feel like making threads about what the game needs, what changes are necessary, feel that the community has to brainstorm often to come up with ideas and plans and stuff... cut it out already. This is a business, they have a precise main target and secondary targets. Chances are that opinions of those considered main targets may weight more than mine and yours. And that's fine, because the business has to make money in order for me to keep consuming the product and for you to keep playing the 2 hours a day...
For so many forum posts you guys are getting triggered way too easy about the value of your opinions... no one said it's not worth having them, it's just that we have the means to look at one's previous activity. For example, if someone with 3mil total loot says here that X mechanism is shit, chances are, it is, or his words have some weight. If mastermesh comes in with 5 globals or w/e and says that loot is bad, it means nothing to those who have a clue about the game...
 
Evey said:
it's just that we have the means to look at one's previous activity. For example, if someone with 3mil total loot says here that X mechanism is shit, chances are, it is, or his words have some weight. If mastermesh comes in with 5 globals or w/e and says that loot is bad, it means nothing to those who have a clue about the game...
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So activity = Value and therefore a higher ranking of opinion.

So playing since 2006, or whatever = no value, unless millions of ped are invested - really?

I can't decide if you are just trolling but I think you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
 
gwit said:
So activity = Value and therefore a higher ranking of opinion.

So playing since 2006, or whatever = no value, unless millions of ped are invested - really?

I can't decide if you are just trolling but I think you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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I totally deserve the benefit of the doubt, on any subject.
My problem is that somewhat I fear that Mindark and new players, may listen to ppls biased opinions or opinions of people that have too little experience on the subject.
There are payed people to find the biggest and cheapest incentive, the right balance, so as many players as possible compete or just shoot in the game during big events.
Just as there are doctors with years of experience and payed to keep ppl healthy and medical opinions of actors and singers should mean, for everyone, shit.

And make no mistake, no activity means very little value in MA's eyes, as it should be.
 
Evey said:
And make no mistake, no activity means very little value in MA's eyes, as it should be.
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Actually this is where we disagree. Highly active ubers means you have a captive audience. Low activity from others means there is an issue further down the value chain.

Getting back to the subject for me, MM in its current format does not work. It does not encourage the WHOLE player base to compete. No one wants to compete unless they feel there is a chance to be rewarded for their activity. Historically MA recognised this and set the prizes accordingly. They encouraged the ubers to spend their money to win land areas and they encourage the rest of us with prizes commensurate to our activity. Now only ubers win - so what should the rest of us do....those of us who cannot dedicate our lives to the game, or who want to pay others to play our avatar...tell me what should the balance of the player base do? Should we just leave??
 
gwit said:
So activity = Value and therefore a higher ranking of opinion.

So BEING AROUND since 2006, or whatever = no value, unless millions of ped are invested - really?

I can't decide if you are just trolling but I think you deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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auto correct on pilot mode.
 
gwit said:
Messy :handjob: (don't forget the auto signature)- are you at it again (stalking me)
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Just auto correct mate.Don't take it personally.
My pc auto detect idiots and post on my behalf even if I sleep.
I don't stalk random people sorry.
 
gwit said:
Actually this is where we disagree. Highly active ubers means you have a captive audience. Low activity from others means there is an issue further down the value chain.

Getting back to the subject for me, MM in its current format does not work. It does not encourage the WHOLE player base to compete. No one wants to compete unless they feel there is a chance to be rewarded for their activity. Historically MA recognised this and set the prizes accordingly. They encouraged the ubers to spend their money to win land areas and they encourage the rest of us with prizes commensurate to our activity. Now only ubers win - so what should the rest of us do....those of us who cannot dedicate our lives to the game, or who want to pay others to play our avatar...tell me what should the balance of the player base do? Should we just leave??
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We can't all compete... some of us still have realistic expectations :D
But we can all play. In 2015 MM I made a few K ped with a ranked scorpion by sellign FFA stars. Same this year... I had fun and made some profit, and I had a chance of a good decent drop.
 
I would have thought someone would mention the new battle simulator. For a competition it seems to be tailor made.

Yes it doesn't rely on skill or weapons - so no chipping out to enter a low level or borrowing equipment and no one can complain about being at a disadvantage as everyone is level.

No need for MA to spend weeks tallying the results as it's automatically done at the end of each session. Time in each session is accounted for and there should be fewer issues with people trying to get into the instance - everyone is on their own so no support.

Easiest way would be 10 entries with best 5 scores going to each players total. You can still have different difficulty levels.

The ped entry fee goes to the prizes at the end. MA just has to add enough protection to the system to prevent cheating like we see on the high score boards of other games.
 
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messi91 said:
Just auto correct mate.Don't take it personally.
My pc auto detect idiots and post on my behalf even if I sleep.
I don't stalk random people sorry.
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I understand - its tough being a student - all those hours to sleep. Looks like you have it conquered.
 
I liked old style without instances.
I could not compete but i had pleasure to watch others, sometimes to participate as helper too.
 
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gwit said:
So activity = Value and therefore a higher ranking of opinion.
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Yes, a million times, and I don't understand why this shouldn't be obvious.

Being "active" is how we learn to know wtf we're talking about.
 
Oleg said:
Yes, a million times, and I don't understand why this shouldn't be obvious.

Being "active" is how we learn to know wtf we're talking about.
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So, a player that joined 2 years ago and is now playing around the clock should be worth more then a player that withstood the test of time and has stuck around for over 10 years?

So what you say is that rich kids with rich daddies with unlimited credit cards are worth more.
Nice thought Oleg.
Sorry that I have a job and need to WORK for my money.

I think they should be both rated equally as they're BOTH as much needed for the game to survive.
 
wizz said:
So, a player that joined 2 years ago and is now playing around the clock should be worth more then a player that withstood the test of time and has stuck around for over 10 years?

So what you say is that rich kids with rich daddies with unlimited credit cards are worth more.
Nice thought Oleg.
Sorry that I have a job and need to WORK for my money.

I think they should be both rated equally as they're BOTH as much needed for the game to survive.
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Yes sorry about that Oleg - some of us have to work to support our families - we don't have trust funds.
 
wizz said:
So, a player that joined 2 years ago and is now playing around the clock should be worth more then a player that withstood the test of time and has stuck around for over 10 years?
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Yes.
wizz said:
So what you say is that rich kids with rich daddies with unlimited credit cards are worth more.
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Not necessary.
wizz said:
I think they should be both rated equally as they're BOTH as much needed for the game to survive.
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NOT THE SAME FCKIN THING!

Ofc they are both important to the game but it would be a bad business not to have as marketing target the active player, not the lurker.

See, you have been around for a long time but you haven't been playing the game too much, since you think in order to be very active you need to be super rich; it's actually an insult... you think the top players aren't working for their money, they just spend? This is a very bad assumption and it's dangerous for the community and the game and this is why you should be playing the game instead of spreading silly lies about the game.

The 10 years of being aroudn the game means nothing if you still are clueless about the game, sadly. It's a bit more complex than it seems, but you don't need a gazillion $ to have some fun hunting...
 
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