Joda currently broadcasting "FREE WAVES TODAY" with timer for loot waves

https://www.twitch.tv/jodaeu

Not sure what to make of this, I think it might be a stunt to try to make MA fix their looting system (removing the waves for some rare loots like shrooms/gna/paint/etc) by trying to make its' function become public information.

He has had his stream up like this for eight hours, note that some of the stuff on the tool he is using is just stuff available at http://www.entropiawiki.com/peloot.aspx, a tool he added recently to Entropedia, it's just the wave stuff on the right that is questionable.





edit: he just turned off his stream, past broadcast video is here:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/132658083

Sorry had to stop broatcasting because continuing family day, eill broatcast free waves mostly in weekends when im afk watching movies
Ma suffer from this because knowing waves people hunt only5minutes in hour and grinders has to suffer from this too.


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Explanation :

www.entropiawiki.com is an information system , that helps people to be equal!

All information is filled by people, and tools are made is legit.

even mob loot, eco calculator and other thing in entropedia is designed to make people have more knowledge about game and use it wisely.

For some information such as loot system, rare drops, and even waves it is not enough to read a books or play few days in game.

Most of grinders that is playing game already few years can understand what is wave - but it does not make us cheaters.

We just willing you to share our experience about it, and as a purpose of entropedia -
> to give it all to you guys, to be more equal and have more knowledge about it.

All wave calculation is long and hard way of our 10+ years gameplay that id almost necessary to people to be able to live in Entropia.

I do not want to repeat others or myself, just few notices like Smilgs (in his last thread) asking loot to be more random.

program is viable and was posted in my thread before : Program version V1.00.38 - http://www.entropiawiki.com/Downloads/Entropedialoot2.zip

just it is in development mode so i suggest you to wait till it will be finished.

some old players keep stacks of molisk tooth to make it cost few hundred mu.
some wave knowlage let people mine gold in foma.

we desided to shot that its not a secret. I think i did it right, because i want more people to be equal in game, to show that it is a smarter way to hunt or mine or get a nanite in undergound

Ofcouse, as a grinder i would like to have more random loot, but we get what we get.

//mg

Since you are openly broadcasting it, how do you calculate these waves?

Wave loot sux! I want random loot

Angel O2 Mercer said:

Since you are openly broadcasting it, how do you calculate these waves?

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He has script search chat logs for wave items. If this program sends hunt logs to him live you are helping him detect wave starts.

mg Joda VVV said:

Sorry had to stop broatcasting because continuing family day, eill broatcast free waves mostly in weekends when im afk watching movies
Ma suffer from this because knowing waves people hunt only5minutes in hour and grinders has to suffer from this too.

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Man most broken thing in the game atm has to be the pyrite.

www.entropiawiki.com is an information system , that helps people to be equal!

All information is filled by people, and tools are made is legit.

even mob loot, eco calculator and other thing in entropedia is designed to make people have more knowledge about game and use it wisely.

For some information such as loot system, rare drops, and even waves it is not enough to read a books or play few days in game.

Most of grinders that is playing game already few years can understand what is wave - but it does not make us cheaters.

We just willing you to share our experience about it, and as a purpose of entropedia -
> to give it all to you guys, to be more equal and have more knowledge about it.

All wave calculation is long and hard way of our 10+ years gameplay that id almost necessary to people to be able to live in Entropia.

I do not want to repeat others or myself, just few notices like Smilgs (in his last thread) asking loot to be more random.

program is viable and was posted in my thread before : Program version V1.00.38 - http://www.entropiawiki.com/Downloads/Entropedialoot2.zip

just it is in development mode so i suggest you to wait till it will be finished.

some old players keep stacks of molisk tooth to make it cost few hundred mu.
some wave knowlage let people mine gold in foma.

we desided to shot that its not a secret. I think i did it right, because i want more people to be equal in game, to show that it is a smarter way to hunt or mine or get a nanite in undergound

Ofcouse, as a grinder i would like to have more random loot, but we get what we get.

//mg

So your goal is for everyone to have wave notifications so that MA is pressured to change the sytem?

Xen said:

So your goal is for everyone to have wave notifications so that MA is pressured to change the sytem?

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Oh man i wish that day comes when they do, and if This stream helps achieving that then i am more than happy!

A man can only hope...

Xen said:

So your goal is for everyone to have wave notifications so that MA is pressured to change the sytem?

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you post atrox loot to make ma pressure or make people to know about it?

Maybe if we had random loot distribution the game would be subject to online casino taxes and regulations in a lot of countries?

Not saying wave loot doesn't suck, I fucking hate it...

Good stuff! Even if MA won't change things the next day, more transparency is always a good thing for the game as a whole.
Lets have fun & make some waves in this stagnant pond!

i suspect this is the reason MA are unwilling to get rid of predictable patterns
but would prefer something at least way less unpredictable
hope this program makes it happen, the thing going on in instances, eomon guns, arkcoins etc. is not normal

Angel O2 Mercer said:

Maybe if we had random loot distribution the game would be subject to online casino taxes and regulations in a lot of countries?

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girtsn said:

i suspect this is the reason MA are unwilling to get rid of predictable patterns
but would prefer something at least way less unpredictable
hope this program makes it happen, the thing going on in instances, eomon guns, arkcoins etc. is not normal

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I think it's possible but I think it's more likely the people who designed the inner functions of the game a long time ago are no longer with the company and the people working there currently won't touch the code out of fear of causing problems in the game from lack of expertise in the area.

Loot algorithms when we're talking about a RCE game is a very serious thing to toy with, need an expert.

mg Joda VVV said:

you post atrox loot to make ma pressure or make people to know about it?

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Simply knowing what Atrox drop is a lot different than everyone knowing wave times and you know that. I'm not saying what you are doing is wrong, I don't really like the wave system myself.

Xen said:

Simply knowing what Atrox drop is a lot different than everyone knowing wave times and you know that. I'm not saying what you are doing is wrong, I don't really like the wave system myself.

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i just want all people be more equal and if you shoot 80 minutes and loose all and other hunt 10 minutes and makes it more wise - he win.

i personally think that wave system bad for players and for mindark, because knowing that you cant loot any ELM item after wave for like an hour, it makes you stop hunting .

that is bad for people who like shoot and for mindark who want people shoot.

To late info for some. now mega might understand me a bit more so props to bringing this to light in a way to show how extensive this problem is.

mg Joda VVV said:

i just want all people be more equal and if you shoot 80 minutes and loose all and other hunt 10 minutes and makes it more wise - he win.

i personally think that wave system bad for players and for mindark, because knowing that you cant loot any ELM item after wave for like an hour, it makes you stop hunting .

that is bad for people who like shoot and for mindark who want people shoot.

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This is pretty true actually, I won't lie.

I used to be able to survive on regular loot and the wave loot was a nice bonus.
Recently, regular loot is so bad, and I'm not very good at "riding the waves" (for lack of better term), that it virtually feels like just logging in costs 200 ped.

I commend joda's efforts.

mg Joda VVV said:

i just want all people be more equal and if you shoot 80 minutes and loose all and other hunt 10 minutes and makes it more wise - he win.

i personally think that wave system bad for players and for mindark, because knowing that you cant loot any ELM item after wave for like an hour, it makes you stop hunting .

that is bad for people who like shoot and for mindark who want people shoot.

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Sad but true, and MA needs to be aware of the loot waves and make overhaul on it along with making it more RNG and less predictable. Please click link on my signiture below as verification on this matter.

Thanks, Joda. I'm just a regular Joe Blow player that would prefer random drops at anytime so I support this initiative. Let's ride the waves and Make EU Great Again!

Also, are these wave times for a specific mob like Caperon or is it a general loot wave timer?

Optimator said:

Thanks, Joda. I'm just a regular Joe Blow player that would prefer random drops at anytime so I support this initiative. Let's ride the waves and Make EU Great Again!

Also, are these wave times for a specific mob like Caperon or is it a general loot wave timer?

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"wave" its not a correct word for this loot update , but community started long ago to call it a "wave" even there is channels like # elm-waves.

answering a question, "wave" is global , just different on some planets, but mostly similar.

removed -> too long

mg Joda VVV said:

"wave" its not a correct word for this loot update , but community started long ago to call it a "wave" even there is channels like # elm-waves.

answering a question, "wave" is global , just different on some planets, but mostly similar.

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Ahh, ok. Well, I'll definitely be following for sure. Thnaks again.

Thanks for sharing with everyone, Joda.

My theory is that making things purely random may cause the game to be classified as a type of lottery or casino. By having predictable patterns, they can label it a game of knowledge and experience. That might be why they have never changed their system, despite all of the complaints.

I tend to be a grinder. So, unless I happen to hunt when one of these "waves" is occurring, I will not do as well.

Just my two cents.....

Hey Joda,

Thank you for sharing the tool

But the version you shared doesn't have the so call loot "wave" timer.

I guess you linked an older version.

Xen said:

So your goal is for everyone to have wave notifications so that MA is pressured to change the sytem?

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Nah, don't need such a change, but openly monitoring the waves does add to the game's fun given the system as it is. Thanks Joda!

PS: I'm a grinder too, yes it would be nice to get better loot overall without sitting out slack times, but with open tracking the waves become a fun feature of gameplay rather than only a nuisance.

SnowLeopard said:

I used to be able to survive on regular loot and the wave loot was a nice bonus.
Recently, regular loot is so bad, and I'm not very good at "riding the waves" (for lack of better term), that it virtually feels like just logging in costs 200 ped.

I commend joda's efforts.

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I have been noticing this aswell I hunt fairly eco, I used to play a lot like 1,2 years ago. I took a long break and I came back this year and the loot has gone rly down. It's not abd luck as some might say the statistics about loot returns are down by over 20% with a more eco setup. and its not calculated on 1k cycles but more like 100k cycles. All I see these days are EP HoF's and ATH's. I'm a grinder myself. I like grinding and I dont wanne have to ride the so called lootwaves. since EP has been added the game went totaly down the drain. I'm seriously considering cashing out, soemthing I havent tought about since I joined EU. And I don't think I'll be the only one.
I'll keep an eye out for any changes but I dont get my hopes up.
I joined this game thinking all loot was random and most peopel told me it was like that.
I remember doign the puny mission with a opalo from tt with about 80-90% returns now I hear people getting a consistent 30-40% return.
I think the loot waves have always been there but just now it's a lot more noticable.
IMO MA just doesnt care anymore they are gettign their money anyway from people pumping thousands of dollars in EP.
it's like they used to use lube to fuck me but now they use sand...

sweet more debate about loot waves


I'd like to think MA can implement a better method for distributing loot.. if RNG-based would violate gambling laws then there must be a different way to go about it...

Right now the loot distribution method is punishing to grinders, and thus punishing to MA's revenue.

SupaPres said:

Hey Joda,

Thank you for sharing the tool

But the version you shared doesn't have the so call loot "wave" timer.

I guess you linked an older version.

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Not sure you (I, we) want this made public - what would the game be if we all would stop grinding and and just hunt on waves instead? What the hell would you do with the resource when no one would need much for a 5 min hunt every interval? Things would crash so fast that there wouldn't be much left within weeks.
Quick fix, 'decouple' mobs and keep the waves. make them individual for each mob maybe? As a hunter that I want to grind and become skilled, having several exploiters is bad enough, no need for EVERYONE to become an exploiter, it would be way worse and I'm pretty sure the whole thing would fall apart because it would simply make grinding pointless..


Kudos for the initiative! Time to address this issue and make it fair for the people that want to play the game.