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Dear MA, you are loosing TONS of money because:

San said:
Divided by how many people? How much overhead (employer's share on salary taxes etc)? And salaries aren't the only cost. With all justified criticism, you guys are going off the rails now, ridden by the green-eyed monster. This isn't the company to get rich in. I've seen a few.
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I just know, that every PP pay 400$ per server/month. Caly have more as 30 servers, but I think the cost per server is not 400 for caly, just only for PP.

The question is, is this only investment into developing or all the cost.
 
Naomi said:
Dear MA
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As it is now, people have the impression, that profits in game can be made mainly by:
1 – being friends with someone who works at MA HQ
2 – scamming people in trades
3 – cheating by using extra software on top of EU
4 – reselling
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You nailed it. Even if this is not really the whole story thats the IMPRESSION you get.
MA's credibility has, to say the least, been a bit damaged latelly.

I really feel sorry for the players with heavy investments in this game.
Being a risk capitalist in Entropia gotta be one of the most risky investments anyone could ever do.
And I am happy I am not one of them.

But the investements from many top players are what have carried EU for ages.
For them, I really do hope Mindark listens to all suggestions and make an official statement.
I am sure they do listen and read, but it would be nice if they actually said they do.
 
trance said:
Lol ok, seems i be a bit tired.. is ofc 18 years, so all ok.. except i be tired LOL sry!

so it looks more like 60 000 000 / 18 = 3 333 333 / 12 = 277 777 month

sry for wrong calculating the years :)

Just wondering, is this only developing or everything they invested, payd for all the cost, like server cost, energy, and so on.
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Probably including the castle they bought and sold at a lost as well ........ :(
 
the-unknown said:
Probably including the castle they bought and sold at a lost as well ........ :(
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they did do a pretty crappy job on the painting of that place. It's no wonder it went down in value.
 
I agree with avatar and items sharing. Let them share what's the problem. Is like in RL when you have a company with multiple investitors or a Land Area held by multiple persons. ADD more weapons with same stats that can be used and problem solved..... If you let only 1 terminator and 10 lc-1000 .... well only those are the winners. MAKE 100 and you have competition and PEOPLE WILL SPEND !
 
maiden said:
I agree with avatar and items sharing. Let them share what's the problem. Is like in RL when you have a company with multiple investitors or a Land Area held by multiple persons. ADD more weapons with same stats that can be used and problem solved..... If you let only 1 terminator and 10 lc-1000 .... well only those are the winners. MAKE 100 and you have competition and PEOPLE WILL SPEND !
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one of the attractions of EU is the chance of investing in high value gear, someone decided the Terminator was an investment at 300-400k ped (iirc) could you imagine their anger if the terminator was worth 20k due to MA making 100 of the unique gun

that said, wasn't one of the CDF guns as good as the terminator?

better to just forget about the guns like terminator and compete how you can, its only an event weapon anyway, the eco is too poor to become a day to day shooter
 
The Jetman said:
one of the attractions of EU is the chance of investing in high value gear, someone decided the Terminator was an investment at 300-400k ped (iirc) could you imagine their anger if the terminator was worth 20k due to MA making 100 of the unique gun

that said, wasn't one of the CDF guns as good as the terminator?

better to just forget about the guns like terminator and compete how you can, its only an event weapon anyway, the eco is too poor to become a day to day shooter
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ma already did that
i bought my 10 edition mk 2 42k at tier 7 2 years ago
tier 10 is now on 35 k on auction

my mod 2356 was 10k
now ppl offer 3.5 k

my pote bought for 1 year only. 35k, sold it 28k

lc100 tier 8, 5.5k less then 4 months 4k


maybe the terminator is one exception
but everything else
all ma does is dish out new and better stuff and wreck havocs prior invested items

now u can see, old weapons that were worth 20k, is sold at 3 k, or less
ma screw it up for all the ubers.. and as we become ubers, we get affected too.

no body wants to play or invest any more, there is NO SAFEGUARD to your investments any more,
 
It doesn't occur to most people to educate themselves about the difference between investment and speculation. Blame MA or anyone is so much easier.
 
BabyOxide said:
ma already did that
i bought my 10 edition mk 2 42k at tier 7 2 years ago
tier 10 is now on 35 k on auction

my mod 2356 was 10k
now ppl offer 3.5 k

my pote bought for 1 year only. 35k, sold it 28k

lc100 tier 8, 5.5k less then 4 months 4k


maybe the terminator is one exception
but everything else
all ma does is dish out new and better stuff and wreck havocs prior invested items

now u can see, old weapons that were worth 20k, is sold at 3 k, or less
ma screw it up for all the ubers.. and as we become ubers, we get affected too.

no body wants to play or invest any more, there is NO SAFEGUARD to your investments any more,
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Equipment not really investments. They are tools.. similarly to buying a new car. They will go down in time. You can't complain about lack of content and then complain that the addition of some content has devaluation in it. Plus some of the tools were way overpriced. Rings are a perfect example of that. That's not mindark's fault. Players decide the markup of things. To mindark, it's worth 1 dollar.
 
San said:
It doesn't occur to most people to educate themselves about the difference between investment and speculation. Blame MA or anyone is so much easier.
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If your speculation is successful, you're free to call it 'investment' - just like successful riots are called 'revolutions'.

Folks just want to attach labels prematurely.
 
In regards of the weapons part of the topic I see it like this:
If everyone is using unlimited equipment then no one would need the limited one, the way to get around this at this point in universe is to release new Limited weapons that have increasingly better eco and/or dps than ANY Unlimited weapon. So the unlimited weapons will have the use that was initially thought (wonder where that got lost), and that it the Unlimited weapons have less eco than L ones.

There's a catch to this, if you release Unlimited blueprints for the Limited weapons then you will have again a problem with the owners, so the solution is to release Limited prints to Limited weapons that outpass any Unlimited ones.

People will click, people will shoot. Unlimited gear still kinda wins events and economy in general will be better as long as you use materials from huntin/mining.

Do this gradually and you got a solution, it can apply for weapon amps as well. Also I think the game will be more challenging after that.

I know some unlimited weapons will probably lose some markup, but most already did...
 
zeusrocktropian said:
In regards of the weapons part of the topic I see it like this:
If everyone is using unlimited equipment then no one would need the limited one, the way to get around this at this point in universe is to release new Limited weapons that have increasingly better eco and/or dps than ANY Unlimited weapon. So the unlimited weapons will have the use that was initially thought (wonder where that got lost), and that it the Unlimited weapons have less eco than L ones.

There's a catch to this, if you release Unlimited blueprints for the Limited weapons then you will have again a problem with the owners, so the solution is to release Limited prints to Limited weapons that outpass any Unlimited ones.

People will click, people will shoot. Unlimited gear still kinda wins events and economy in general will be better as long as you use materials from huntin/mining.

Do this gradually and you got a solution, it can apply for weapon amps as well. Also I think the game will be more challenging after that.

I know some unlimited weapons will probably lose some markup, but most already did...
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That sir, was best post Ive read in a long time! Big +rep!

There is something weird about oldtimers with UL guns and armors complaining about the lack of markup, why should "we" be selfentitled to markup when not spending any......I use enhancers but thats the extent of MU that I use and there is tons of us. For markup to exist there must be a reason, that reason cant be that oldtimers can leach from beginners that gets tired of the game then quits since its too pricy for them because they have to pay MU everywhere or lack of efficiency. Its a big chain and IMO all those chains as in loot/weapons/crafting and mining needs an overhaul.

Allso I dream of new and mroe content!

Nice thought!
 
krogfan said:
That sir, was best post Ive read in a long time! Big +rep!

There is something weird about oldtimers with UL guns and armors complaining about the lack of markup, why should "we" be selfentitled to markup when not spending any......I use enhancers but thats the extent of MU that I use and there is tons of us. For markup to exist there must be a reason, that reason cant be that oldtimers can leach from beginners that gets tired of the game then quits since its too pricy for them because they have to pay MU everywhere or lack of efficiency. Its a big chain and IMO all those chains as in loot/weapons/crafting and mining needs an overhaul.

Allso I dream of new and mroe content!

Nice thought!
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Why don't u give them a call and tell em to implement... I bet until tonight we will have new VU :) and you'll can loot 10 new bp's before the update.
:silly2::silly2::silly2::silly2::silly2::silly2:



Love the trolling :)
 
zeusrocktropian said:
In regards of the weapons part of the topic I see it like this:
If everyone is using unlimited equipment then no one would need the limited one, the way to get around this at this point in universe is to release new Limited weapons that have increasingly better eco and/or dps than ANY Unlimited weapon. So the unlimited weapons will have the use that was initially thought (wonder where that got lost), and that it the Unlimited weapons have less eco than L ones.

There's a catch to this, if you release Unlimited blueprints for the Limited weapons then you will have again a problem with the owners, so the solution is to release Limited prints to Limited weapons that outpass any Unlimited ones.

People will click, people will shoot. Unlimited gear still kinda wins events and economy in general will be better as long as you use materials from huntin/mining.

Do this gradually and you got a solution, it can apply for weapon amps as well. Also I think the game will be more challenging after that.

I know some unlimited weapons will probably lose some markup, but most already did...
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in a way this is what they are doing with adj guns using gardening resources and the upgrade system on ark. but yeah great idea
 
zeusrocktropian said:
In regards of the weapons part of the topic I see it like this:
If everyone is using unlimited equipment then no one would need the limited one, the way to get around this at this point in universe is to release new Limited weapons that have increasingly better eco and/or dps than ANY Unlimited weapon. So the unlimited weapons will have the use that was initially thought (wonder where that got lost), and that it the Unlimited weapons have less eco than L ones.

There's a catch to this, if you release Unlimited blueprints for the Limited weapons then you will have again a problem with the owners, so the solution is to release Limited prints to Limited weapons that outpass any Unlimited ones.

People will click, people will shoot. Unlimited gear still kinda wins events and economy in general will be better as long as you use materials from huntin/mining.

Do this gradually and you got a solution, it can apply for weapon amps as well. Also I think the game will be more challenging after that.

I know some unlimited weapons will probably lose some markup, but most already did...
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Unfortunately though, Mindark released the battle simulator with ELM style weapons that are flooding the auction house at really low markups, making any BLP pistol less than an enigma L4 worthless and tt food (unlimited or limited).
 
on a side note:

1) Ma takes peds from depositors, ubers,
2) gives peds to non-depositors, noobs,
3) noobs, non-depositors deposits $2 and withdraws $1000s
4) ma takes more from depositors,
5) depositors stop and leaves,
6) every one wonders why the system failed...
 
krogfan said:
That sir, was best post Ive read in a long time! Big +rep!

There is something weird about oldtimers with UL guns and armors complaining about the lack of markup, why should "we" be selfentitled to markup when not spending any......I use enhancers but thats the extent of MU that I use and there is tons of us. For markup to exist there must be a reason, that reason cant be that oldtimers can leach from beginners that gets tired of the game then quits since its too pricy for them because they have to pay MU everywhere or lack of efficiency. Its a big chain and IMO all those chains as in loot/weapons/crafting and mining needs an overhaul.

Allso I dream of new and mroe content!

Nice thought!
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They are doing it to some extent. Adapted Isis is good example, they have very nice eco. Prints and guns are limited.

On another side we have BS weapons and events flooding with ELMs.

As a small crafter/hunter for me it seems that they kinda lost their way. They are doing something positive for everyone from crafter, miner to hunter and then shit all over it with next update.

They should really focus on getting things better in long run, not implementing some random thoughts they had on last brainstorming session.
 
NPV said:
They are doing it to some extent. Adapted Isis is good example, they have very nice eco. Prints and guns are limited.

On another side we have BS weapons and events flooding with ELMs.

As a small crafter/hunter for me it seems that they kinda lost their way. They are doing something positive for everyone from crafter, miner to hunter and then shit all over it with next update.

They should really focus on getting things better in long run, not implementing some random thoughts they had on last brainstorming session.
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When was the last time miner's got any love?

Crafting has surely gotten absolutely bent over and reamed with a tube of sandpaper because of EP3/4...

I know amp crafters that were making thousands of ped per month with the guarantee that they could get 108% for their residues. Most of them quit crafting or moved to ep3/4

Hunters have gotten so much love than mining and crafting are no longer necessarily for hunting to be sustainable. Everyone could quit mining and crafting overnight and the game would go on. That... is a big problem.
 
Rocket192 said:
When was the last time miner's got any love?

Crafting has surely gotten absolutely bent over and reamed with a tube of sandpaper because of EP3/4...

I know amp crafters that were making thousands of ped per month with the guarantee that they could get 108% for their residues. Most of them quit crafting or moved to ep3/4

Hunters have gotten so much love than mining and crafting are no longer necessarily for hunting to be sustainable. Everyone could quit mining and crafting overnight and the game would go on. That... is a big problem.
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Not going to argue with you, nor I am arguing over getting love.

It's just that there are tiny flashes of light in dark tunnel of EP train :) If they would just have a real plan, instead of this...casino shit.
 
krogfan said:
There is something weird about oldtimers with UL guns and armors complaining about the lack of markup, why should "we" be selfentitled to markup when not spending any......I use enhancers but thats the extent of MU that I use and there is tons of us. For markup to exist there must be a reason, that reason cant be that oldtimers can leach from beginners that gets tired of the game then quits since its too pricy for them because they have to pay MU everywhere or lack of efficiency. Its a big chain and IMO all those chains as in loot/weapons/crafting and mining needs an overhaul.

Allso I dream of new and mroe content!
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Sobering thoughts there.
So how did we arrive to this point?
It was all done only with the best intentions in mind...

It started long ago with fiddling around with the balance of L weapons market. For some reason MA desided crafters is not a good source for L guns, this whole part of the game had to be shut down and replaced with looted guns. To make the game cheaper and keep average MU lower I suppose?

The fatal blow was the Explosive BP's, a single move that shut down mining (all markup gone), crafting (all markup gone except amps and even that one diminished significantly) and hunting (no more market for animal oils).

After a while it dawned to MA that all the demand for animal oils is gone (surprise surprise!)
Losing all the markup in the main profession, that's not good. What to do now? "Smart people" as they are, MA apparently decided, well if demand's gone supply needs to be "regulated" as well.
That's how we got the shrapnel. Guaranteed 101%, that should keep everyone happy.

Meanwhile we got the 1 PED guns, a magic way to show high MU while pushing the price of the gun even lower. I can bet the guy who came up with that idea got a nice fat bonus... until they realized it blew up the whole loot system and created a massive exploit as a result.

Road to Hell is paved with good intentions...

One move leads to another, and everything's interconnected. The only way to undo this shit now that I can see is to roll everything back to pre-Explo situation.

No, it wouldn't solve the problem with the "full UL economy". It would only put us back to square one. From there we can take another stab at the real solution for this problem. Hopefully something that doesn't include blowing up the whole economy in the process, this time.




Edit: 1 PED guns are a problem only if they come in through the loot system. How about giving the magic of super high MU over to crafting industry instead? Just a thought... I'm sure there's more and better ones out there.
 
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Fifth said:
Sobering thoughts there.
So how did we arrive to this point?
It was all done only with the best intentions in mind...

It started long ago with fiddling around with the balance of L weapons market. For some reason MA desided crafters is not a good source for L guns, this whole part of the game had to be shut down and replaced with looted guns. To make the game cheaper and keep average MU lower I suppose?

The fatal blow was the Explosive BP's, a single move that shut down mining (all markup gone), crafting (all markup gone except amps and even that one diminished significantly) and hunting (no more market for animal oils).

After a while it dawned to MA that all the demand for animal oils is gone (surprise surprise!)
Losing all the markup in the main profession, that's not good. What to do now? "Smart people" as they are, MA apparently decided, well if demand's gone supply needs to be "regulated" as well.
That's how we got the shrapnel. Guaranteed 101%, that should keep everyone happy.

Meanwhile we got the 1 PED guns, a magic way to show high MU while pushing the price of the gun even lower. I can bet the guy who came up with that idea got a nice fat bonus... until they realized it blew up the loot system and created a massive exploit in the system.

Road to Hell is paved with good intentions...

One move leads to another, and everything's interconnected. The only way I can see, to undo this shit now, is to roll back everything to pre-Explo situation.

No, it wouldn't solve the problem with the "full UL economy". It would only put us back to square one. From there we can take another stab at the real solution for this problem. Hopefully something that doesn't include blowing up the whole economy in the process this time.
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What about previous posters statement, make the best guns L and the BPs for them L and the materials for named blueprints normal generic loot. Wouldnt that be a positive change over time?? If its applied to all levels ingame and amps and armors then wed suddenly connect the dots again wouldnt we?? Then the smartest would do well?? Im just thinking out loud but its a pretty fascinating thought.

Amps for wepons
Mindforce amps
Weapons
Miningtools
Armors
Healingtools (allthough the ones we have atm seems hard to beat)

Maybe make more use of vehicles and make space great and best tools there to be L and the resources therefor looted in space.

Make new content for missions in smaller things more appealing like daily missions in excess and more fun, I have many friends still doing dailys in WoW every day.

Refill combat token trader with new appealing items

Make beacons drop amazing stuff so teamwork is needed to win!

The list could go on forever and this is just my dreams and thought and Im sure Im missing a thousand important aspects but a change is needed badly imho......

//Linzey
 
The problem we face at the moment is that MA have proven time and time again that they are not concerned with people raising threads on PCF pointing out these issues.

This type of thread is not new, it is something that we have seen on a regular basis almost since the implementation of EPIV.


There are only a few ways that change can be forced.

  • Players mass withdraw forcing MA to change to protect their cash cow.
  • The select few with a direct line to MA (You know who you are) get into their ear to avoid the above happening.
  • Planet Partners put pressure on MA in the background to rectify the current economic issues.
 
Seregi said:
The problem we face at the moment is that MA have proven time and time again that they are not concerned with people raising threads on PCF pointing out these issues.

This type of thread is not new, it is something that we have seen on a regular basis almost since the implementation of EPIV.
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No worries, by now everyone in the MA office has realized they've blown a gaping hole in the loot system itself. They might drag their feet with the solution but they know just ignoring the problem won't be an option this time.

The real question now is how far are they willing to go and when will it happen.
Lazy as they are, their 1st impulse no doubt is to try to fix it with a small patch, doing as little as possible ofc. Then again, that might not cut it this time. Hard to tell unless you see the full picture and know all the restrictions that are in place. We'll see.

I can only tell, from the player's point of view, that what Linzey says about the way forward absolutely makes sense. Lets hope MA can see it too. :smoke:
 
And who do MA give all these wonderful new BP's to, the smart ones?
Who are these smart ones?
 
krogfan said:
What about previous posters statement, make the best guns L and the BPs for them L and the materials for named blueprints normal generic loot. Wouldnt that be a positive change over time?? If its applied to all levels ingame and amps and armors then wed suddenly connect the dots again wouldnt we?? Then the smartest would do well?? Im just thinking out loud but its a pretty fascinating thought.

Amps for wepons
Mindforce amps
Weapons
Miningtools
Armors
Healingtools (allthough the ones we have atm seems hard to beat)

Maybe make more use of vehicles and make space great and best tools there to be L and the resources therefor looted in space.

Make new content for missions in smaller things more appealing like daily missions in excess and more fun, I have many friends still doing dailys in WoW every day.

Refill combat token trader with new appealing items

Make beacons drop amazing stuff so teamwork is needed to win!

The list could go on forever and this is just my dreams and thought and Im sure Im missing a thousand important aspects but a change is needed badly imho......

//Linzey
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OK so now why know why MA flooded with beacons on RX event..... New items in those beacons. We wait for new VU to see the pop-ups of discovery on Linzey's gang :) Erm...can you post the new items in entropedia ... no need to wait for the update, or you don't have them yet in your inventory ?:scratch2::scratch2::scratch2:
 
maiden said:
OK so now why know why MA flooded with beacons on RX event..... New items in those beacons. We wait for new VU to see the pop-ups of discovery on Linzey's gang :) Erm...can you post the new items in entropedia ... no need to wait for the update, or you don't have them yet in your inventory ?:scratch2::scratch2::scratch2:
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damn your carrying some obsession for Linzey atm.....
 
The Jetman said:
damn your carrying some obsession for Linzey atm.....
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He lost a ton of money for beeing silly and thinks that it's someone elses fault.

I really have no idea, life example, how crooked politicians/business men, would be an excuse for me personaly to go and gamble away ton of money. Logic?
 
NPV said:
He lost a ton of money for beeing silly and thinks that it's someone elses fault.

I really have no idea, life example, how crooked politicians/business men, would be an excuse for me personaly to go and gamble away ton of money. Logic?
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Nah.... I lost money couse I played dumb but still.... coulded get a damn hof at least :))) I am pissed only when I don't swirle not when I loose. I loose what I can afford. I play for swirles. NO swirles means I am pissed !
With Linzey, well I bet 99% is true... but eh...
but anyone can lick some ass who know maybe u win some $ but same time I LOVE TROLLING either....
 
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Nah.... I lost money couse I played dumb but still.... coulded get a damn hof at least :))) I am pissed only when I don't swirle not when I loose. I loose what I can afford. I play for swirles. NO swirles means I am pissed !
With Linzey, well I bet 99% is true... but eh... I let u lick some ass who know maybe u win some $ but same time I LOVE TROLLING either....
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Me licking ass? This is what you read out from my answer? I been very vocal about crashing and burning MA and players involved in doing shady shit, but that's completely different case.

If you walk into casino and drop 10k and lose, will you go cry on streets how it's business men and politicians fault, because they do their shady shit?

If you could afford to lose that, you wouldn't cry on every fucking forum thread. Get over it, L2P.

EDIT: If you want to swirly, go buy EP4 blueprint and click away. I have no idea why you even started hunting if you want to swirly, that's like the slowest choice? You will even lose less, because you get pretty steady returns on EP, even a monkey can do it! So can you!
 
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