The Idiocy of people

Honestly I dont know what to believe anymore...
its weird people getting permabanned and threads getting locked when this topic or specific names comes up.

what I do know is that people are corrupt and I guess there are these even in EU
 
Let's say you repeatedly watch something where you expect a 50-50 outcome, say red-black.
You watch in batches of 100 or so runs.
After 10 batches you can remember that red was more than 50 in 8 runs.
I think I know what you're trying to say. You notice how the patterns are shifting. Yep, everyone does that. I know I'm doing that all the time. :)

But, this is only the first step. Something caught your attention and you make your assumptions (or a whole new theory).

Theory is just a theory, nothing more nothing less.
The next step is to actually measure it. Is it true or was it just an illusion, wishful thinking?

Half the time you'll find out the test result shows absolutely nothing, sometimes even the exact opposite. Sometimes you have trouble believing the test results. But I saw it there so clearly! yet it was nothing but an illusion. That's the nature of the human perception --
  • we tend to see patterns (even when there's none), and
  • we tend to see what we want to see (consciously or unconsciously).

We humans are the masters of self-deception, never forget that. That's why we have scientific method, and that's also the whole reason why we've been so immensely unbelievably successful since we started using it.
 
I can provide evidence, but I won't ...smiles.

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You know much of the old community knows how it rolls, and maybe you're intention is to cover it up by attempting to discredit me. If anything what I've witnessed and seen creates a tin foil hat view point.
I'm not trying to cover up anything (and discredit you are doing a fine job yourself already). It was you who brought up all these other accusations after my post. We were talking about your claim that MA has 'watchers' that monitor returns on an individual case basis and then compensate individuals with loot as they see fit, remember? It's complete nonsense.

You are hilariously clueless for being here ten years, all while bragging and patronising others who hasn't been here as long as you. I really hope new players who browse this forum can see through this.
 
People,

No point in posting this in that other thread. As it will be locked when 711 wakes up, so here it is.

I cannot believe anyone would play this game, if they truly believed MA were corrupt. Don't get me wrong, i think they can be stupid, and make silly decisions, ALOT, but corrupt???


So all you people that believe MA are corrupt, and are still paying. I laugh in your general direction at your idiocy, for still playing....... :laugh:



Rgds

Ace

Very well said! If you are an active player then you have the right to bitch, but the day you stop playing is the day you have no right to bitch no matter how much you may have lost.
 
I think I know what you're trying to say. You notice how the patterns are shifting. Yep, everyone does that. I know I'm doing that all the time. :)

But, this is only the first step. Something caught your attention and you make your assumptions (or a whole new theory).

Theory is just a theory, nothing more nothing less.
The next step is to actually measure it. Is it true or was it just an illusion, wishful thinking?

Half the time you'll find out the test result shows absolutely nothing, sometimes even the exact opposite. Sometimes you have trouble believing the test results. But I saw it there so clearly! yet it was nothing but an illusion. That's the nature of the human perception --
  • we tend to see patterns (even when there's none), and
  • we tend to see what we want to see (consciously or unconsciously).

We humans are the masters of self-deception, never forget that. That's why we have scientific method, and that's also the whole reason why we've been so immensely unbelievably successful since we started using it.

Great post in this thread about idiocy :cool: You've almost got what I was trying to say. I'm often a bit too lazy to "actually measure it", but I can continue doing the same and will see if the 'stats' stay in the same ball park. The situation is now twice as long as the point where my interest was awakened. If I keep on going I can watch patiently but lazily as what I am hunting comes to me rather than me going to it.

As a bit of irony: I am not a master of self-deception...... I've decided that after a thorough investigation! The only rank I could still be is grand-master of self-deception, but the probability is very low. I have a gut feeling about that! :laugh:

Hope others are enjoying our exchange... not sure how we got here even actually. Idiots and geniuses have things in common, such as an uncommon way of thinking..... hmmm :dunce:
 

There are idiots and idiots.

"You're better off living in a hole looking at a palace than living in a palace looking at a hole."

:D
 
im sure MA gives handouts to some of the top most cycling players of eu, do i have proofs? no, but i also dont care that much as it really doesn't affect me.

i view this behavior the same as i do when im at a casino and i see highrollers getting free drinks and free meals and free stay in high end sweets. if someone brings large bundles of cash to your business i think you are obligated to keep them around even if it costs you little bit of loss, maybe they will bring their friends next time.
 
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Compensation: In 2006 my account was hacked. 1000 ped taken from my avatar. I spoke about it on entropiaforum. Next time I login I loot a powerful heal chip (now called regen chip VIII) from a berycled young, worth 1000 ped...

Pure coincidence that the first berycled I shoot drops this ofcourse.
 
im sure MA gives handouts to some of the top most cycling players of eu, do i have proofs? no, but i also dont care that much as it really doesn't affect me.

i view this behavior the same as i do when im at a casino and i see highrollers getting free drinks and free meals and free stay in high end sweets. if someone brings large bundles of cash to your business i think you are obligated to keep them around even if it costs you little bit of loss, maybe they will bring their friends next time.

I've only played about 9mo or so, so I don't fully understand the history or the people involved, but I've pieced together the gist of what everyone is ranting about in these threads.

"sidxx" has it right. From what I've seen, the players that have been accused of favoritism have invested a significant amount in this game. I still balk at some of the dollar amounts being passed around. I think some people forget that we are not talking about a few hundred bucks here, some players have invested tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars. Some players here are spending more per year that most people make.

Though I've not worked in the MMO market, I have worked in mobile entertainment. I can tell you that in general, 95% of your income comes from 5% of your players. You do everything you can to keep them happy and playing. If I were in MindArk's shoes, I would most certainly being giving kickbacks and freebies and whatever the hell else to keep them happy. Keeping your biggest customers happy is smart business.

In addition to that, of course any business owner will do what they can for friends/family. If I owned a restaurant, I would let my friends and family eat for free. If I owned a theme park, I'd let my friends and family ride for free. If I owned Entropia, you can bet I'd give my friends and family perks, nice gear, whatever. I can't fathom why anybody would be surprised by this, I would be more surprised if they weren't doing it.

Most importantly of all -- who gives a shit? I'm still going to play the game and enjoy it (mostly). The avatars who are being accused of having an inside track have spent waaaay more than I will ever spend on a video game, so good for them if they get something back from it. It doesn't bother me nor impact my game play.

Y'all keep saying it will "scare away the new players". Speaking as a new player, all this talk of corruption or favoritism or whatever is not what scares me... it's all the massive drama and whining that goes on in these forums. To echo the original sentiment of the OP: If you're really that paranoid about the game and think there's some big secret agenda then why the hell are you still playing it?
 
I've only played about 9mo or so, so I don't fully understand the history or the people involved, but I've pieced together the gist of what everyone is ranting about in these threads.

"sidxx" has it right. From what I've seen, the players that have been accused of favoritism have invested a significant amount in this game. I still balk at some of the dollar amounts being passed around. I think some people forget that we are not talking about a few hundred bucks here, some players have invested tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars. Some players here are spending more per year that most people make.

Though I've not worked in the MMO market, I have worked in mobile entertainment. I can tell you that in general, 95% of your income comes from 5% of your players. You do everything you can to keep them happy and playing. If I were in MindArk's shoes, I would most certainly being giving kickbacks and freebies and whatever the hell else to keep them happy. Keeping your biggest customers happy is smart business.

In addition to that, of course any business owner will do what they can for friends/family. If I owned a restaurant, I would let my friends and family eat for free. If I owned a theme park, I'd let my friends and family ride for free. If I owned Entropia, you can bet I'd give my friends and family perks, nice gear, whatever. I can't fathom why anybody would be surprised by this, I would be more surprised if they weren't doing it.

Most importantly of all -- who gives a shit? I'm still going to play the game and enjoy it (mostly). The avatars who are being accused of having an inside track have spent waaaay more than I will ever spend on a video game, so good for them if they get something back from it. It doesn't bother me nor impact my game play.

Y'all keep saying it will "scare away the new players". Speaking as a new player, all this talk of corruption or favoritism or whatever is not what scares me... it's all the massive drama and whining that goes on in these forums. To echo the original sentiment of the OP: If you're really that paranoid about the game and think there's some big secret agenda then why the hell are you still playing it?

and if you own a lotto company you would give ur friends the winning numbers? or if you would own a casino you would give your friends inside info on how to beat the slot machines? well. unfortunately that is illegal.
 
and if you own a lotto company you would give ur friends the winning numbers? or if you would own a casino you would give your friends inside info on how to beat the slot machines? well. unfortunately that is illegal.

Lottos are random. As for owning a casino, I would give them perks -- free drinks/meals/hotel rooms/VIP lounge, etc. All casinos do this.
 
Since I believe you are addressing me directly...

Definition of an IDIOT:
noun
1.
Informal. an utterly foolish or senseless person:
If you think you can wear that outfit to a job interview and get hired, you're an idiot!
2.
Psychology. (no longer in technical use; considered offensive) a person of the lowest order in a former and discarded classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

I dont see how I fit this definition with questioning things, i'd say im more in the curious field than idiot, but if you think so...

I cannot believe anyone would PAY TAXES, if they truly believed THEIR GOVERNMENT were corrupt. Don't get me wrong, i think they can be stupid, and make silly decisions, ALOT, but corrupt???


Some people ignore and think everything is NICE and SHINY. I was also hoping a few things that I saw in my life cannot be true, yet found out how horribly wrong I was.

I've been to over 30 countries, talked with many businessmen, and the main theme in common in all those countries, was CORRUPTION.

I've personally had experience directly and indirectly with corruption in the following fields:
- school
- hospital
- police
- business
- government

I could write examples of corruption I've experienced, and I have a friend who could write BOOKS on the level of corruption hes seen in his life (he works in finance police).

Why would you just DISMISS this possibility in EU right away and put someone in the category of idiots?

Just wondering what makes you so certain...

Thanks,
True :bandit:

I think his point is not about whether or not their is corruption, but about that only a fool would continu to pay for the services of a company while they don't actually like the company, nor the service (at least, not how it's being delivered).
 
People,

No point in posting this in that other thread. As it will be locked when 711 wakes up, so here it is.

I cannot believe anyone would play this game, if they truly believed MA were corrupt. Don't get me wrong, i think they can be stupid, and make silly decisions, ALOT, but corrupt???


So all you people that believe MA are corrupt, and are still paying. I laugh in your general direction at your idiocy, for still playing....... :laugh:



Rgds

Ace

Well, to be honest, I think it's quite naive to think it's all nice and shiny and MA staff are holy.
Tell me a place were money doesnt corrupt. It's the most normal thing on this planet.
For sure they will give inside information to the lucky few.
It happens everywhere, in each country, each company, everywhere!

So dont be naive to think its not.

But, should you worry about it?
Personally I don't. I take it as a fact that it happens.
Do I care about it? No, I just do my thing and as long as nobody takes my money I'm all good about it.
I'll just row with the stream.

So if you think MA is 100% clean, well, then I laugh at your general direction as well. Dont be naive!
 
Well, to be honest, I think it's quite naive to think it's all nice and shiny and MA staff are holy.
Tell me a place were money doesnt corrupt. It's the most normal thing on this planet.
For sure they will give inside information to the lucky few.
It happens everywhere, in each country, each company, everywhere!

First of all giving inside information to some people isnt that like illegal?
second, their are numerous companies that, after a schandal like this comes to light, would loose a lot of possitive feedback and players. Not to mention people have resigned from top functions after corruption came to light in big companies.
It's not likely gonne happen here cause MA doesnt have the media attention some of these companies have and it's all based around virtual property.
But to say corruption is a normal thing and doesn't get fought over and that ahppening everywhere is a little bit far fetched.

MA still make more money from the average mediocore hunter who spend about 200$ a month on this game. MA doesnt make to much money from these handfull people since they have the gear (sometimes presented to them by MA) to hunt as eco as possible and on average profitting with an eco of over 3.5 DPP.

These mediocore players are the ones truly getting puniched by all this shit.
I love this game I have spend couple thousands of dollar on it and I dont regret it cause all the money I spend I consider lost and just to play with for fun.
This doesnt take away the fact that in the last couple of years I have seen returns go down drasticly (after schrapnell update) and all hunting loot has no MU anymore thanks to EP. Who benefits from this? The big players who keep hunting at 3.5 dpp and fuck up the loot pool for us mediocore players and the guys with the big money who can cycle ep IV.

I know a lot of people from this group who stopped playing because of the latest changes to the game (like schapnell, skillpills, boxes and EP).

Also I don't depo 2k ped a month anymore. I'm cycling what I have left and I wont depo anytime soon. So saying everyone keeps playing and not giving a shit is also wrong. Like I said I know numerous people that quit the game or refuse to depo anymore.

In my humble opinion this might very well be the end of EU if it goes on liek this. Most people I see playing nowdays are either new people or ubers but you gonne have a hard time finding a player with skills between 30-80. Much more harder then a couple of years ago.

They are for sure loosing players and depoers over this favoritism BS.
 
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Lottos are random. As for owning a casino, I would give them perks -- free drinks/meals/hotel rooms/VIP lounge, etc. All casinos do this.

yes. free drinks etc is something totally different though than for example a card counting mashine for blackjack. and top tier weapons / other stuff that improves ur eco heavily is exactly that. if they would just give them a nice pair of cloths, i dont think anyone has something against that. because it doesnt affect the outcome of the play. but this here is something totally different.
 
Y'all keep saying it will "scare away the new players". Speaking as a new player, all this talk of corruption or favoritism or whatever is not what scares me... it's all the massive drama and whining that goes on in these forums. To echo the original sentiment of the OP: If you're really that paranoid about the game and think there's some big secret agenda then why the hell are you still playing it?

This doesn't bother me, I am used to it now, its been like this on every game forum I have ever visited for the 13 or so years I have been playing online games. It's not just game forums, the interwebz are, for the most part, toxic.
 
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I know a lot of people from this group who stopped playing because of the latest changes to the game (like schapnell, skillpills, boxes and EP).
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In my humble opinion this might very well be the end of EU if it goes on liek this..

somehow I keep getting these dejavu's on the forum.

The sky has been falling for the past 12 years I've been here. Each year a lot of people think it's the end of the game. But strangely enough it's still here :scratch2:
 
somehow I keep getting these dejavu's on the forum.

The sky has been falling for the past 12 years I've been here. Each year a lot of people think it's the end of the game. But strangely enough it's still here :scratch2:

Fascinating how some things/people seem to succeed in spite of themselves.
 
somehow I keep getting these dejavu's on the forum.

The sky has been falling for the past 12 years I've been here. Each year a lot of people think it's the end of the game. But strangely enough it's still here :scratch2:

and still. one day it will be true. the question is: when is this day?
 
Well, no mysteries there. The explanation is pretty simple actually.

There's lot of people who have death wish. Actually everyone has a death wish, it's just that the balance between the will to live and death wish usually is heavily tilted towards the 1st.

Those who have death wish (for whatever reason) as a rule suppress it to their unconscious. It's too frightening to admit you have a death wish. The thing is, all strong unconscious impulses are projected outwards, onto other people and the world around us in general. The logic being, I can feel death wish inside me but I refuse to admit it's mine so it must be someone else who's doing it, someone or something. This logic seems kinda silly but that's how things work in the dreamy world of unconscious.

So, that's what creates the howling crowds of doomsday preachers. They have always been there, throughout the history. Those people get their kicks out of this stuff, literally.

Doesn't mean there never will be an end. It's just that there's forces at work that are clouding our judgement and have nothing to do with reality.

Not that knowing intellectually how these things work changes anything... :smoke:
 
yes. free drinks etc is something totally different though than for example a card counting mashine for blackjack. and top tier weapons / other stuff that improves ur eco heavily is exactly that. if they would just give them a nice pair of cloths, i dont think anyone has something against that. because it doesnt affect the outcome of the play. but this here is something totally different.

I'm not arguing your point. My sentiment was, why does it matter? I don't care if some players are getting handjobs from MindArk's CEO. It really couldn't effect me less.
 
I'm not arguing your point. My sentiment was, why does it matter? I don't care if some players are getting handjobs from MindArk's CEO. It really couldn't effect me less.

that might be that you dont care. fact is that in comparable fields it is illegal.
 
I'm not arguing your point. My sentiment was, why does it matter? I don't care if some players are getting handjobs from MindArk's CEO. It really couldn't effect me less.

if the CEO is cute, where do I sign up?
 
It really couldn't effect me less.

Actualy it does ...
The more people start hunting with these uber weapons that they get from MA, the less loot that actualy will be generated in the lootpool, the more money you'll loose.

What i'm truly suprised about is that at this point there hasn't been an official statement for MA themself about all of this. I'm sure they are following it (either people told them or I guess with all the bans and removed topics here they have to know something). Without saying us anything, imo this is admitting the favoritism and that they have met players multiple times to discuss (inside) information about the game.

@wizz
It's not a deja-vu, I've always been a defender of the game. simply saying seeing me say this again is deja-vu is a lie! I never said anythign about the game being at it's end untill now . I was just looking at the facts.
over the last year more peopple have left that I knew then the 9 years before that I played combined. Like I said most people that still play are new players or the old ones, all people I have know to start the game in the past 2 years have quit. The loot is on an All time low, MU's are basicly gone, there is all this shit on the forum wich must hold some truth.
It's simple they either have to do something about all this or they can close the books.
And this all is with MA having a monopoly in the RCMMORPG genre, Imagine what will hapen if another, better , game would come out?...
 
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and still. one day it will be true. the question is: when is this day?

So you're a guy who's waiting to die instead of trying to live?

You will die some day, for sure, but does that fact mean life is horrible?


Yes, one day entropia will come to an end. So what?


@wizz
simply saying seeing me say this again is deja-vu is a lie! I never said anythign about the game being at it's end untill now . I was just looking at the facts..

not reffering to you in special. You're just one of the many who said it before.
 
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