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CozMoDan

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I know you all have me down as a conspiracy theorist and maybe I am a little but in my book this is a real humdinger.

I was at Icarus yesterday and I happen to click on the guy at the top of the stairs that gave out a mission when MA first started the missions. I did the mission way back then and got a Bukin's Blade with a value you 1 pec I think it was and a total value of 32 ped. Anyway I am not a melee guy so I just put it in storage. After clicking on that guy I all of a sudden had a Bukin's Spare Rifle and it tool me some time to figure out where I got it but I did. The value was 5,85 I think and full 10.85. I like to hunt small mobs once in a while and I thought this might be good for that so I repaired it and off I went to with my new toy. Well it was a little slow and only did 3-6 damage so I played a little while and decided to TT and get my money back. Well guess what it can not be traded or sold. Not that 5 ped will certainly not break me but it does kind of irritate me that MA would do that. At least when I was first going to repair it I think a warning about not getting the money back would have been appropriate. I know its not a big deal but I just fell that is was chinky, kind of like the 2 pec I have to pay each time I take off and put my sun glasses back on.
 
Upgrade it.

P.s. is knife tradeable? I clicked wrong answer back then and did not get it. Think the rifle was a fix for fools like me.

Cant Wait til u get the hub blade that is soul bound and only works there, lol
 
CozMoDan said:
I know you all have me down as a conspiracy theorist and maybe I am a little but in my book this is a real humdinger.

I was at Icarus yesterday and I happen to click on the guy at the top of the stairs that gave out a mission when MA first started the missions. I did the mission way back then and got a Bukin's Blade with a value you 1 pec I think it was and a total value of 32 ped. Anyway I am not a melee guy so I just put it in storage. After clicking on that guy I all of a sudden had a Bukin's Spare Rifle and it tool me some time to figure out where I got it but I did. The value was 5,85 I think and full 10.85. I like to hunt small mobs once in a while and I thought this might be good for that so I repaired it and off I went to with my new toy. Well it was a little slow and only did 3-6 damage so I played a little while and decided to TT and get my money back. Well guess what it can not be traded or sold. Not that 5 ped will certainly not break me but it does kind of irritate me that MA would do that. At least when I was first going to repair it I think a warning about not getting the money back would have been appropriate. I know its not a big deal but I just fell that is was chinky, kind of like the 2 pec I have to pay each time I take off and put my sun glasses back on.
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1. You get UL gun, which isnt even a bad gun, with 5 ped TT on, not min TT.
2. You can go shoot it to min TT? Takes about hour and a half to get back your 5 ped, another hour and a half to get free 5 ped TT.
 
Its like any other account bound item, you get nothing for it.
At least they give you the warning in the TT machine that the value will not be returned.
 
that has added many patches ago o.o ..
 
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NPV said:
1. You get UL gun, which isnt even a bad gun, with 5 ped TT on, not min TT.
2. You can go shoot it to min TT? Takes about hour and a half to get back your 5 ped, another hour and a half to get free 5 ped TT.
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I agree and that is what I will do, I just didn't like the idea that I have no choice. Any way that is just me.
 
CozMoDan said:
I agree and that is what I will do, I just didn't like the idea that I have no choice. Any way that is just me.
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I'm on same boat with you on probably every other bound item, but that UL gun for a new player, which already has 5 PED TT on, is frigin nice gesture from MA.

It being bound is probably for avoiding 27300 botters and their dogs having accounts and redoing that mission and selling gun.
 
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NPV said:
I'm on same boat with you on probably every other bound items, but that UL gun for a new player, which already has 5 PED TT on, is frigin nice gesture from MA.

It beeing bound is probably for avoiding 27300 botters and their dogs having accounts and redoing that mission and selling gun.
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To much code but could be interesting that if they could add maybe a repair counter or more, maybe even a total value repaired counter so that after a given time the bound items would them become unbound? But yes you are very right. Just not EU to have Bound items. :(
 
NPV said:
1. You get UL gun, which isnt even a bad gun, with 5 ped TT on, not min TT.
2. You can go shoot it to min TT? Takes about hour and a half to get back your 5 ped, another hour and a half to get free 5 ped TT.
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:wise:

Was thinking the same. So cant see the problem here :confused:
 
How you can be irritated with something that's totally free? :) You finished that mission long time ago and got the blade. Later MA changed the mission that new people get the rifle instead of the blade (best low level rifle ever, by the way), but they were so kind that allowed older people who already finished the mission to get that rifle too, just by talking to the npc.
 
OZtwo said:
To much code but could be interesting that if they could add maybe a repair counter or more, maybe even a total value repaired counter so that after a given time the bound items would them become unbound? But yes you are very right. Just not EU to have Bound items. :(
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i've suggested this before, bit like the bonus at online casinos where you need to stake 4x the bonus to withdraw. i suggested if you tier any bound item to Tier 3-4, its unbound for free
 
Svarog said:
How you can be irritated with something that's totally free? :) You finished that mission long time ago and got the blade. Later MA changed the mission that new people get the rifle instead of the blade (best low level rifle ever, by the way), but they were so kind that allowed older people who already finished the mission to get that rifle too, just by talking to the npc.
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Well its not as totally free after I repaired it. I do understand the point of giving the rifle and as you say it is a good rifle, Having said that why then would they not make the value the same as the blade (.01) and when you attempt to repair you get a bound item message. Just a thought, the blade has a 32 ped TT and I would be willing to bet not many peeps repaired and MA said let give them something that cost us nothing and we get 5 more ped of their money. To me its kind of like, someone gives me a car and I give it to you and tell you that you really can't drive very far until you buy new tires that you have to buy from:).
 
The Jetman said:
i've suggested this before, bit like the bonus at online casinos where you need to stake 4x the bonus to withdraw. i suggested if you tier any bound item to Tier 3-4, its unbound for free
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That's a good idea along with the thing about the repair and after so many times the item becomes unbound. After all you will not use either the gun or the blade the rest of your Entropia life.
 
CozMoDan said:
MA said let give them something that cost us nothing and we get 5 more ped of their money.
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Sure its not because longer TT means more time hunting and less time wasted on repairs, for sure its because MA thinks how to "steal" 5 more ped ... now everything makes sense
 
mastermesh said:
Upgrade it.

P.s. is knife tradeable? I clicked wrong answer back then and did not get it. Think the rifle was a fix for fools like me.

Cant Wait til u get the hub blade that is soul bound and only works there, lol
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Nope it is not. Already heard about the soul bound items and won't be doing any of that anytime soon:).
 
Free items is payed by Planet Partners which is funded by player activities. So it's more like a taxx than a nice gesture. I miss the old PA newbie area :(
 
CozMoDan said:
Just a thought, the blade has a 32 ped TT and I would be willing to bet not many peeps repaired and MA said let give them something that cost us nothing and we get 5 more ped of their money.
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How about you just burn the gun down to minimal TT value, then you have the 5PED back.
And the peeps that have repaired the knife for 32PED, they burn it down and done. I don't see a problem. :eyecrazy:
Why do you think that if you repair 5PED that it is in MA pockets. CLD's get paid also from those 5PED.

BTW it's more like 10% of those 5PED goes to MA and CLD's that makes only 50PEC that you will lose on the repair.
 
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This whole thread is about a nickel/$00.05? :laugh:

Yes there are bound items in game that can't be traded in what should be a free market system.
 
CozMoDan said:
To me its kind of like, someone gives me a car and I give it to you and tell you that you really can't drive very far until you buy new tires that you have to buy from:).
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It would more be like someone gave you a car with half a tank of gas, you then drove it around for a while and filled up the tank of gas and then try to give the car back to the person and expect them to give you the gas money for filling it up when they didn't ask you to do that. You did it of your own free will. Your option? Drive the car around until its low on gas then leave it in the garage.
 
Surya said:
Sure its not because longer TT means more time hunting and less time wasted on repairs, for sure its because MA thinks how to "steal" 5 more ped ... now everything makes sense
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Anyone can tell you that *I* hate bound items in this game. But I do see in an odd way why MA has them. Just they need to fix it so they can profit from it. As the system is now, it would be so easy for new players to create accounts just to mine the items and is the main reason we have bound items. But yes other planets have taken bound items way out of control and MA most likely will be following their example. But still the idea stands and I hope MA will soon step in and tell the other PP that they can not create bound items from missions you spend thousands of PEDs to get.
 
CozMoDan said:
I know you all have me down as a conspiracy theorist
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That and also I think that if you would relax your brain further, you could stop breathing so be careful, regardless of the activity you are conducting.
Regards,
 
OZtwo said:
But still the idea stands and I hope MA will soon step in and tell the other PP that they can not create bound items from missions you spend thousands of PEDs to get.
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You are totally free to not get it if you don't want it. But people want to eat their cake and have it at the same time. Some spend tenthousands on items with a focus blow buff for the expectation to get it back in their returns. You're supposed to have a turnover that justifies this, otherwise you wouldn't go there. But then you expect a golden shower on top of it. If you can just for a moment think beyond yourself and look at the whole cycle, where does that money come from? You have enough experience to understand this. Admitted, Viceroy turned out pretty extreme due to the markups. It was hoped they would settle after the initial hype, but they haven't yet, rather the opposite. Which really just means that a lot of people want it, despite of its bound property. What is your problem, not being in the same boat? The PP has nothing to do with the markups which are purely the players' valuation. You should rather wish that many people spend a lot of money they won't get back from reselling and possibly withdrawing. Because you and the rest will benefit from it trickling down.

On Bukin's. Although OP has gotten this one down the wrong canal, I can relate to it a little bit. Oddly, I felt the same way when I did the original mission back then and got my blade for it. My first thought was, is this a ploy to get me to spend more money? I was inexperienced and such is a spontaneous hunch which should go away after thinking kicks in. You are given a tool. To do anything with it, you need to provide the materials yourself. Like a hammer which comes with a few nails to try it out, but then you're on your own.
 
San said:
You are totally free to not get it if you don't want it. But people want to eat their cake and have it at the same time. Some spend tenthousands on items with a focus blow buff for the expectation to get it back in their returns. You're supposed to have a turnover that justifies this, otherwise you wouldn't go there. But then you expect a golden shower on top of it. If you can just for a moment think beyond yourself and look at the whole cycle, where does that money come from? You have enough experience to understand this. Admitted, Viceroy turned out pretty extreme due to the markups. It was hoped they would settle after the initial hype, but they haven't yet, rather the opposite. Which really just means that a lot of people want it, despite of its bound property. What is your problem, not being in the same boat? The PP has nothing to do with the markups which are purely the players' valuation. You should rather wish that many people spend a lot of money they won't get back from reselling and possibly withdrawing. Because you and the rest will benefit from it trickling down.
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Yes lets not forget about that bound item -- my falling out with David was over this simply because he didn't want to add TT to it -- many may not remember that message at the TT where it stated clearly that armor had 0PED value. I bitch hard in Skype to get him to add TT.

But I was more referring to the latest bound items being the Dropship. And you know me well enough that I will never sale anything, but one of the main reason that I did join this game is due to the simple fact that maybe in the future I could sale my stuff for a MU of .0001pec. Yes crazy but the idea stands. If I wanted bound items in this RCE based game, hell I would play some other game.

I lost a Cape for this fyi :)
 
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