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    Quote Originally Posted by arkon409 View Post
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    Angel is a mid level armor at best these days.

    Ghost is a trash noob armor...

    Arkon
    Someone say armors? Still buying those Zombie unL M feet...
    Anyway to the point, Jaguar L is a great way to hunt, I've done it myself problem is parts and planets. Finding the right parts for the right mu on the right planet is a lot of hassle sometimes...

    Ghost is just fine for casual hunts. Nowadays with low decay ghost is again a lot more often used.
    Angel is still a mid-high end armor. Anything that costs over 5 k ped a set is IMO.

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    Just stumbled upon this thread and wanted to point out that its super biased. Some points are good and valid but anything that is bad about L armor is overlooked.

    If less experienced people read this thread i hope they do their research and dont just blindly trust biased OP.

    Few points that are overlooked are:
    When L armor breaks u tt it, min tt value is 3% from full. So lets say angel set tted at its min condition is 9ped + MU lost on it. This is smth u never get back.
    L armor doesnt lose protection when it deteriotes, its a good and bad thing. So in reality u lose more on decay on L than on UL unless you repair your UL armor after each hit.
    Not gonna even mention tiering, avalability and etc.
    Anyone is better of with UL sets for daily grinds, L is good for thos occasional hunts on elemental or high hitting mobs. High end UL armors are for hardcore grinders (not many left since 2.0, wonder why?!)
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    Hello duncis, it seems that you missed this reply of mine a little further down the first page of this thread.

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    Well, this thread really was NOT intended to be a discussion about my shops and what I sell in them. The whole purpose with this thread was simply to share with everyone the conclusions I've reached after spending many hours researching the subject of the economy of armors and how different options compare.

    What you've just done above mastermesh is the laziest possible thing: to jump straight to a conclusion that the poster is biased in some way and therefore discredit the entire thing as skewed and/or unreliable... It's lazy because now you don't actually have to evaluate or verify any of this information for yourself, you don't have to think about it, you don't have to change your way of thinking about it... You just discredit it and voila, it's a done deal.

    Only problem with this is you are misleading people and doing them a great disservice by denying them information that actually is quite useful for those that want to be more economical about their protection.

    Here's what I mean by lazy. Let's start by addressing the first sentence "so, uh, you put together a shop to sell L armor eh?"

    1. If you had bothered to do any homework on this at all instead of just jumping straight to conclusions, you would have realized that the implied bias here (towards Limited armors) doesn't actually exist in reality. Because if you had visited any of my armor shops, you would have noticed that I offer both Limited and Unlimited armor sets in them. In fact, in my Robot Armor shop, there are more UL armors then L ones. The Robot Armor shop always has Adj. Nemesis and Adj Vigilante armor sets, both male and female, as well as Mah'ketta and Hunter ME most of the time.

    2. If you re-read the first post, you will notice that I tell people to go to the AUCTION, I never once told anyone to come buy their limited armors in any of my shops and frankly I couldn't care less because it's besides the point. The limited looted armors in my shops are not 108% or less and therefore people should look to the AUCTION for the best deals, not my shops.

    3. If this post was really about selling armors and making money, as you seem to imply in your first sentence above, then I would have a bias towards selling people CRAFTED Limited armors because these are the most profitable sales in my opinion (and I do sell Crafted armors in my shops as well). But, once again, if you just re-read the first post, you'll discover that there is no mention whatsoever about Crafted Limited armors, this post is strictly about what I have discovered to be the absolute best deal when it comes to armors, the cheap (less than 108% mu) Looted Limited armor parts on the Auction.

    If there is a bias, it's not the bias that you think. It would have to be a bias towards armor in general as opposed to healing tools. If someone declared in this thread that I have a bias towards armors and that this post does not consider the economy of healing tools, I would have to agree with them. But if you notice the title, it's quite clear that this is a post strictly about armors, more specifically limited vs unlimited armors.

    Please, do your homework next time mastermesh, before you go and try to discredit someone's hard work with one sentence, it's not doing anyone any good.

    Legends
    Being perfectly honest, this really isn't intended as a sales thread. I'm really sorry that some of you feel that's all it is.

    A tremendous amount of research went into it and when I decided to get into the Armor business, I wanted to find out what was more economical to use, because that is what I care about most and I thought that a lot of other hunters felt the same way as me. In this thread I've laid out the results of that research.

    I've created this thread for the benefit of all, not for my own benefit. But let the haters hate I guess...

    For those that are interested to know what's more economical to use, the looted armor on the auction that sells under 108% is the most economical, notably right now there are quite a few, i.e. Bear, Boar, Jaguar, Tiger, Martial, Aurora, Polaris, Thunderbird, Jarhead, Ozpyn Beetle, etc... these are all great choices and ACTUALLY COST LESS IN DECAY THAN ANY UNLIMITED ARMOR!

    The only inconvenience is that you have to keep buying replacement parts because you can't repair them. But as I've said before, to save money in Entropia requires a bit of time and effort.

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    Completing your discipleship and obtaining your graduation armor is of course good advice, however, the fact remains, Adjusted Pixie and Musca Adjusted only have 2800 points of Durability and so will cost about 8% more in decay to use than any limited armor, so the cheap looted armor on the auction, again, is cheaper to use. Truth is, and I know this sounds counter intuitive, it would be wiser to sell your graduation armor and buy limited Thunderbird, Aurora, Bear, Jarhead or Ozpyn Beetle armor parts on the auction for 102% or less (quite easy to do). You would save quite a bit if you did and your armor would be top shelf and would allow you to hunt a wider variety of mobs.

    If you need an armor that is stronger than those I mentioned above and plan on grinding a lot of mobs with it, then I agree, it would be wise to get yourself an unlimited set, for example, Angel, Shadow, RX OpTac, Eon, Carramone, etc...

    If you don't care about economy than the advice in this thread is not for you.

    Legends

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    Great thread !!!

    Glad you made the L vs UL also as I did with finders.

    With armor its all about using the right armor at the right mob, so is using the right depth at the right place when mining.

    Even with depth enhancers those are cheaper in use then the L finders, dunno if you tested that out on armor with def enhancers I suppose, cause depth enhancers break a lot faster on L finders than on UL finders?

    Also having all the Tiers unlock is such a huge advantage like the def enhancers on the armor
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeelooM View Post
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    Great thread !!!

    Glad you made the L vs UL also as I did with finders.

    With armor its all about using the right armor at the right mob, so is using the right depth at the right place when mining.

    Even with depth enhancers those are cheaper in use then the L finders, dunno if you tested that out on armor with def enhancers I suppose, cause depth enhancers break a lot faster on L finders than on UL finders?

    Also having all the Tiers unlock is such a huge advantage like the def enhancers on the armor
    Thanks LeeLoo

    I agree, having the ability to add defense enhancers is a very nice advantage, however, I should caution you about the costs involved in tiering armors:

    Once it is time to tier your UL armor up to 4, you will discover that in many cases, it will cost you roughly about as much as the actual set of armor costs. For example, tiering a set of Jarhead (M) from 3.9 to 4 is over 1k ped...

    Is it really worth it? If instead of tiering my Jarhead (M) from 3.9 to 4 I sold my set for about tt+1200 ped, added that to the 1k ped I didn't spend on tiering, and now I'd have 2,200 ped to spend.

    Some might think that tiering it to 4 is still worth it, and it might be, but I just wanted to point out that at some point, the cost of it will become prohibitive. So if anyone ever buys one of these lower level UL sets thinking they will just keep tiering it all the way to 10, think again.

    Legends

    PS: This information will need to be re-evaluated after the changes to tiering and enhancers announced today by MA are implemented. I suspect that tiering all the way up to 10 will become much more palatable and maybe even worth it.
    Last edited by Legends; 11-30-2019 at 01:12. Reason: Added PS about upcoming changes to tiering & Enhancers

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