UK Gambling Commission statement reguarding Loot crates/Keys

So don't pay for them.
Go sweat no gambling there.
Problem solved.

The problem is not solved as it will still be in the game. That is like saying don't kill anyone and you won't be convicted of murder. Problem solved.

What happens makes no difference to me but that isn't the point. The point is it is a violation of law no matter how you slice it. If MA wants to keep breaking the law that is up to them. So it is indeed a problem for them.

The reason why there are laws is to protect people that otherwise would not be able to.

I am neutral and just stating the facts. What I do in game has no bearing on whether MA breaks gambling laws or not. They do or they don't. Right now they are.
 
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You guys are confusing the TT value received from strongboxes with the markup some items might get.
 
The problem is not solved as it will still be in the game. That is like saying don't kill anyone and you won't be convicted of murder. Problem solved.

What happens makes no difference to me but that isn't the point. The point is it is a violation of law no matter how you slice it. If MA wants to keep breaking the law that is up to them. So it is indeed a problem for them.

The reason why there are laws is to protect people that otherwise would not be able to.

I am neutral and just stating the facts. What I do in game has no bearing on whether MA breaks gambling laws or not. They do or they don't. Right now they are.

Markup paid on the boxes is between the players, not between the customer and MA, therefor not gambling as far as MA is concerned.

It's very simple, you give them $5, they give you $5 tt of stuff, anything else that happens is irrelevant.
 
I think people are blowing things out of proportion. EU is s tiny little fish that will be over looked, unless they flooded by complaints. People have spoken about laws in other countries for years, yes online gaming has changed considerable over the years, but EU is more about being a game. I doubt anything will happen to make anything major to game.
 
Markup paid on the boxes is between the players, not between the customer and MA, therefor not gambling as far as MA is concerned.

It's very simple, you give them $5, they give you $5 tt of stuff, anything else that happens is irrelevant.


It is a gambling concern for MA because if players gamble in their game it is still gambling and it is being done on the platform they created. Law can then hold them accountable for gambling because they aren't taking action to prevent it. It not as simple as turn a blind eye and let players gamble if they want in plain sight. The law doesn't work that way.

Setting up a system that promotes gambling is just that. MA created a way for players to gamble.
MA is responsible for implementing it and therefor fully accountable until they remove it or prevent players from gambling.

It doesn't matter how the gambling is done MA at the end of the day is at the helm and Law will shut any illegal form of gambling down when needed because....

The reason why there are laws is to protect people that otherwise would not be able to.


PS- This is a fun discussion though and hopefully MA is keeping a close eye on it.
 
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Aha, murrica wants to use his fightin'. Dickhead.

No-one is opening thousands of boxes because they get the same TT out. They're hoping (e.g. gambling) on looting something nicer. They pay for the privilege to gamble via MA's UA cycle fee (e.g. MA's rake) along with the withdrawal fee, and if they win, it comes straight out of another player's pocket. It's win-win for MA, and it is also obvious blatant gambling.

Now off you pop to go shoot guns at hurricanes :dunce:

Oh sorry i didnt notice your gender profile. Your an ignorant twat that explains everything. Who is this stupid fucking !!!! anyway. She is always popping off her smartass mouth to anytbing anyone says go have a drink get dicked and calm the fuck down. No one likes a gal with a loud fucking mouth. Oh and sorry for the prick comment. Doesnt really fit the narrative now. Its the way you run your fucking mouth i thought you were a guy.
 
Oh sorry i didnt notice your gender profile. Your an ignorant twat that explains everything. Who is this stupid fucking !!!! anyway. She is always popping off her smartass mouth to anytbing anyone says go have a drink get dicked and calm the fuck down. No one likes a gal with a loud fucking mouth. Oh and sorry for the prick comment. Doesnt really fit the narrative now. Its the way you run your fucking mouth i thought you were a guy.

Did you just assume my pronouns? :laugh: :laugh:

Btw, ignorant and explaining everything is an oxymoronic sentence but whatevz
 
I dont see what is the question here, entropia universe is based on gambling. You remove the gambling mechanism and game is dead. We all know that.

1) You wager 1 ped to kill argonaut and hope to get 25 ped but know you can lose it.
2) You wager 1 ped to drop a probe and hope to find 25 ped resources but you know you can lose it.
3) You wager 1 ped per click on some bp hoping for 25 ped success but you know you can lose it.

This here is the core of any game in any casino. I dont see the confusion can anyone explain?

Ped has a $ value same as chips in casino which you later exchange for real cash, same as withdraw here.
I dont care if its a dragon spitting fire with cash animation in actual casino or avatar swirlies after a global.

Yes MA is breaking the law big time we all know it you can say what ever you want.
I go to a casino when I feel like it and this here is a casino too I dont live in denial.
To me bigest problem is kids getting gambling addistion here. It gets imprinted that they can "loot ATH"or some day win a jackpot and there you have a problem in future.
 
The guy who looted Age of Wulin Sword sold it on eBay for 16 grand.
This obviously makes Age of Wulin an illegal gambling game.

Well then, isn't this whole world one big gambling game... :smoke:
 
Well then, isn't this whole world one big gambling game... :smoke:

It is.

Think fishing. You may have as much experience and skills as you want, you may have uber equipment, but sometimes you'll waste all day and won't get enough loot to cover the decay of your rubber boots. :yup:
 
The guy who looted Age of Wulin Sword sold it on eBay for 16 grand.
This obviously makes Age of Wulin an illegal gambling game.

Well then, isn't this whole world one big gambling game... :smoke:

You have to be a little more realistic hehehe.

Sure if he sold it its not gambling, seller knew what he was selling and buyer knew exactly what he was buying and how much it costs.

When I go to a casino and sit in a restaurant im not gambling there im eating :D.
When I walk around a casino or sit in a bar im not gambling im walking and drinking :D
BUT when I play slots or tables I AM GAMBLING.

Same here when you are walking around calypso, or trading or just chatting is not gambling BUT WHEN YOU DO THIS:

1) You wager 1 ped to kill argonaut and hope to get 25 ped but know you can lose it.
2) You wager 1 ped to drop a probe and hope to find 25 ped resources but you know you can lose it.
3) You wager 1 ped per click on some bp hoping for 25 ped success but you know you can lose it.

You are GAMBLING BIG TIME.

Lets be honest adults and call this game what it is. Its a casino somewhere in grey zone away from law.
No way to deny it really.
 
A big FU to all so-called laws that want to tell me what I can or cannot waste my money on. Alas, that doesn't help a company help me waste it. But the company in question knows about its legal situation and doesn't need to be educated by the bunch of amateurs here. It doesn't seem to occur to anyone to consider that its residence is outside the jurisdiction for most of you. Should it really be at fault somewhere and your raising a stink alerted the bloodhounds to it, congratulations mateys. Great achievement sawing off the branch you're sitting on. If you were genuinely concerned you'd tell them discreetly in a support case.
 
having strongbox odds visible would be nice, but it's not too important since the entire strongbox concept suffers from not having mid-tier-rarity items (1 in 25-50) worth getting. in 800 something boxes I got one single (and the worst possible) ring. there's zero emotions involved opening boxes cause I just now perfectly I won't ever get anything rare. this is very different to other games like e.g. hearthstone where epic cards have just the right drop rate to make opening packs fun (and there's still epic gold rare for the grinders). or even real life yugioh.

so making the odds visible is good. but putting mid-tier-rarity items in boxes is MUCH BETTER
 
so making the odds visible is good. but putting mid-tier-rarity items in boxes is MUCH BETTER

odds certainly needed. but i guess we'll have to see what happens after the Battlefront II now. With the Dutch and Belgium Gambling commissions launching investigations into them

Belgian Gaming Commission director Peter Naessens said (via PCGamesN), "If there is a game of chance, it is not possible without a permit from the Gaming Commission." If the commission determines that the loot crate system is a game of chance, the publishers of the games in question--Electronic Arts and Blizzard--could have to a pay a fine amounting to "hundreds of thousands of Euros." It's also reportedly possible that the games could be removed from sale in Belgium.

Tho EA has taken the biscuit with their boxes by hiding so much of the game behind it

i really hope we don't lose the boxes, every deposit i made since they were added was via them....
 
Did you just assume my pronouns? :laugh: :laugh:

Btw, ignorant and explaining everything is an oxymoronic sentence but whatevz

Yeah my sentiments exactly, whatever. Now move along nothing to see here.
 
odds certainly needed. but i guess we'll have to see what happens after the Battlefront II now. With the Dutch and Belgium Gambling commissions launching investigations into them

Tho EA has taken the biscuit with their boxes by hiding so much of the game behind it

i really hope we don't lose the boxes, every deposit i made since they were added was via them....

EA are back peddling as we speak, story going around is that Disney threatened them with the loss of their SW exclusivity contract if they didn't fix it. Overnight they've removed the option to buy microtransactions temporarily to try and stop the backlash and possibly to head off the investigation.

With regards to EU, MA could stop putting unique rings in the boxes and just leave the vanilla items to make it a simple resource crate with no chance of a high MU item i.e. it's price is the same as price of the contents.
 
EA are back peddling as we speak, story going around is that Disney threatened them with the loss of their SW exclusivity contract if they didn't fix it. Overnight they've removed the option to buy microtransactions temporarily to try and stop the backlash and possibly to head off the investigation.

With regards to EU, MA could stop putting unique rings in the boxes and just leave the vanilla items to make it a simple resource crate with no chance of a high MU item i.e. it's price is the same as price of the contents.

its like a weird situation we're in with companies trying to screw the most $ from each game, the BFII has caused a massive reaction and rightly so, but where does it end?
Pokemon Trading Cards are effectively offline lootcrates with chances of holo cards

hopefully we'll see an EU wide (maybe world) set of rules drawn up to specify what is and isn't gambling
 
odds certainly needed. but i guess we'll have to see what happens after the Battlefront II now. With the Dutch and Belgium Gambling commissions launching investigations into them



Tho EA has taken the biscuit with their boxes by hiding so much of the game behind it

i really hope we don't lose the boxes, every deposit i made since they were added was via them....

there's a huge logical (I say logical because common sense quite often doesn't have anything to do with how laws work...) difference between eu and that ea garbage game: in eu you get (almost) the ped value of the $ you buy boxes for, and ped likewise can be transferred back into $. no gambling there. whereas in battleship (or whatever it's called) all $ go only towards in-game-currency which can't ever be redeemed for real value.

but actually I can't see how ea would be guilty of gambling then. in-game currency has no value, hence whether they give a player 100 or 10000 credits "value" of items for 10$ is entirely their choice - it's just a number with no real value counterpart. no gambling either and by definition it can't be because gambling involves real life money or goods! that is the logical train of thought anyway. like I said, law isn't about logic or common sense!

btw, crossing the street = obvious gambling. going to a football match? gambling. your team might not win... and don't even dare to order anywhere but at mcdonald's where the food is always the same... your steak MIGHT be tough... gambling everywhere!
 
At least we are citizens, not subjects, as in Socialist or Communist countries.

Only an American would understand the concept.

Only a Socialist or Communist would attempt to invalidate Freedom.
 
You guys all still don´t get what this all is about, although its already stated by officals.
You can find it in the OP within the bolded part, but here again:

Where the facility exists for players of video games to purchase a key to unlock a bundle containing an unknown quantity and value of in-game items as a prize

The key is UNKNOWN QUANTITY AND VALUE !!!

EU boxes:
Ring = Quantity 1 (known), Value 10 PED (known)
Uni Ammo = Quantity eqaul to 10 PED value, Value 10 PED (known)
Pills = Quantity equal to 10 PED value (known)
and so on

This is the big difference, nothing in value and quantity is UNKNOWN for the EU boxes.
Its 10 PEDs and it cost 1$ equal to a deposit of 1$ that give you 10 PEDs

EU boxes is not gambling by definition of that statement, should be very easy for MAs lawyers if it comes to question if EU boxes is gambling or not.
So no need for MA to give odds or even pay for a gambling licence as it is not gambling, you buy whatever items/ammo/pills with an value of 1$ for 1$. Thats all with EU boxes.

The other games in question have completely different lootboxes.
Those boxes contain items with values (TT) way above (very low chance) what you could get by just buying ingame currency and it also contain items that have values (TT) way below (very high chance) what you would get by just buying ingame currency.

Another difference:
To play EU you should be 18+ (read ToU) to play this other games most of them free for children.
Gambling laws normally is to protect children (as stated by gambling comission - again read OP its there)
 
At least we are citizens, not subjects, as in Socialist or Communist countries.

Only an American would understand the concept.

Only a Socialist or Communist would attempt to invalidate Freedom.

Lol, take another bite off that trump cherry man...What a drivel
 
At least we are citizens, not subjects, as in Socialist or Communist countries.

Only an American would understand the concept.

Only a Socialist or Communist would attempt to invalidate Freedom.

Are we seeing you guys back in online poker any time soon, then? I witnessed the day when US players were banned from the tables, literally overnight. Land of the free...
 
I agree its not gambling as such, $ in equals $ out if you ignore MU. The biggest concern atm is if Loot Crates are now toxic by nature, regardless of the system used.

They say value, but as overwatch is pulled into this for skins which have no value (dont know if there is a steam styled reselling market for those) does it not mean value in $, but personal value?

if you consider trading card packs, which didn't flag anything for decades contained e.g. 1 rare (maybe holo), 3 Uncommon and 6 common. altho the reward is pre set, the actual cards arn't, could this not be applied to the boxes like mentioned earlier.

Boxes contain for example, 8.95 ped of UA, .05 ped of Skill Pills (random) & 1 ped buff pill. the rings added to loot/crafting where they belong

and regarding America the great not falling for "commie" practices

"Star Wars Battlefront 2 prompts state of Hawaii to address EA’s predatory practices" :dunno:

ADDITION:
from reading around, people think its down to having to buy gamble crates to obtain a certain item if no secondery market exists to obtain that item. if so that would mean EU is fine except for the untradable pills, easy fix tho
 
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As Goni already explained and imho is spot on, all this nonsense about loot boxes and gambling shouldnt apply to EU.
It's no gamble!
10 ped in is 10 ped out.

Since it's impossible to lose with buying lootboxes nor getting more than 10 ped TT value out of them, you simply cant call it gambling.

And that the player base voluntarily wants to pay more (MU) is not relevant to the gambling laws. :wise:

So please lets all stop with this nonsense.

You guys all still don´t get what this all is about, although its already stated by officals.
You can find it in the OP within the bolded part, but here again:



The key is UNKNOWN QUANTITY AND VALUE !!!

EU boxes:
Ring = Quantity 1 (known), Value 10 PED (known)
Uni Ammo = Quantity eqaul to 10 PED value, Value 10 PED (known)
Pills = Quantity equal to 10 PED value (known)
and so on

This is the big difference, nothing in value and quantity is UNKNOWN for the EU boxes.
Its 10 PEDs and it cost 1$ equal to a deposit of 1$ that give you 10 PEDs

EU boxes is not gambling by definition of that statement, should be very easy for MAs lawyers if it comes to question if EU boxes is gambling or not.
So no need for MA to give odds or even pay for a gambling licence as it is not gambling, you buy whatever items/ammo/pills with an value of 1$ for 1$. Thats all with EU boxes.

The other games in question have completely different lootboxes.
Those boxes contain items with values (TT) way above (very low chance) what you could get by just buying ingame currency and it also contain items that have values (TT) way below (very high chance) what you would get by just buying ingame currency.

Another difference:
To play EU you should be 18+ (read ToU) to play this other games most of them free for children.
Gambling laws normally is to protect children (as stated by gambling comission - again read OP its there)
 
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