Mindark is Milking the Comunity for Money

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Hello people,

first up i dont want to complain but want to show people how mindark is milking us,

there are major problems with the game mechanic and balance i got deep know how about this game
and many others before.... played games like Diablo III (top 5 world rank) WoW (top 10) Aion (top EU)
Counterstrike (ESL) SCII etc just to name a few, thats why i can point out stuff

read this carefully and with an open mind since i will give away some free infos u culd profit from ( like i did)
prty shure they will patch those soon since i go public.

please dont try to corrupt this post or bring up flame on it.... we can discuss there is no problem :)


well here we go :

i managed to reach lvl 6 cryogenic to lvl 41 in less than one month, how ? well sticking on puny hunting

there is a spot @ half moon cove (it is a quest spot u need to kill 8 sabakuma or something) they got 10 hp

well if u use a gunn that does a minimal damage of 10 u can onehit the sabakumas there and make use of the bad developed skill system

the skill system gives out two kind of skills , 1 pre skill (that is what u gain while u hiting a mob)
the second (thats what we go for) is the kill skill, its kinda bonus for killing the monster,

so when u put on a gunn that does minimum 10 dmg and u onehit a monster u gain that kill skill bonus, when u do it right u gain more skills than hunting on your lvl with sib and skill pill and skill bonus,

the sabakuma spot @ halfmoon cove does reset prty fast so monsters respawn there kinda instand (bigest delay like 5 sec cus of the server lag)

so here some basic calculation about gunns

for example u use a gunn that does min dmg of 10 and got 65 atacks per min u are killing around 59 a minute
thats 3,540 a hour , thats 21,240 kills in 6 h (a regular gaming shift) 42.480 in 12 h (hardcore grinder shift) thats around 148.680 kills in one week of grind
see the entropia universe pve system as a raffle/ticket system as more kills u do that more tickets you got for the loot pool jackpot (global) (hof) (ath)
148.680 kills thats 7434 ped you cycle effective while using only 177 ped a hour (you dont loose them) you use the 177 ped to cycle up to 7434 ped in one week <- this is not your profit is what you get after finishing and selling to tt or market


u will say now yeah but u lose a lot of ped and it is uneco !

no it is not, u can do profit out of tt with it since the system fails to calculate (or is ment to be that way)

i am doing profit there regular using any gun that does a min dmg of 10 aslong the cost per use stays under 5 pec

when u use that kind of weapons the minimum drop of every sabakuma puny is set to 1 pec
so u loose around 4 pec every kill in worst case (but there is no worst case) since they also drop 1 ped 2 ped 12 ped 50 ped and 100 +

http://entropialife.com/Profile.aspx...obals&P=110818
316 PED Sabakuma 11/23/2017


my highest loot on a sabakuma puny was 316ped, sadly i did not screenshot that to proove but you can see it with the link above, thanks to jambon

i dont see any reason why i shall hunt biger mobs if i can hit high on a puny that costs me max 5 pec to kill.

this does work to any monster u can onehit, i do it on sabakuma´s and on merp youngs(with a gunn that does 50 min dmg) with TT profit,

(the tt profit does not work on normal punys since they give way to much nova)

il explain you now how to find a good weapon

step one open http://www.entropiawiki.com/Chart.aspx?chart=Weapon
step two look on "filter" go to "column" and choose "Damage" set to > and type in the box 17
cus your min damage is dividet by 2

so 20 is exact 10 min dmg now press ok

next step click on "cost" not on "decay" since "cost" is what u pay in total for one click

gz now u are able to effective grind faster than any uber

btw if you get your hands over a http://www.entropiawiki.com/Info.aspx?chart=Weapon&name=Corrosive_Attack_Chip_III_Mentor_Edition
buy it they will rise now since 1 most eco for punys 2. cheapest mindforce lvling

sold my item in auction for 400 ped and this is already cheap cus u get your money out of the tt when using it


hope i can help you guys understanding the skill system and safe you a lot of money
we talk about atleast 3000 usd

donate me ingame Isa Naika Prey if you earn out of that lol

my disciples did all profit and finished theyr progress in less than one month :)

there will be a problem soon when people go farm there as more people farm that more uneffective it turns time wise so make your own research on http://www.entropiawiki.com/Chart.aspx?chart=Mob
just click on min hp and look what gunn u need to onehit the monster

example to all who want to skill longblade 30 + with ice rage
go to merp island and kill youngs

bet u hit lvl 40 tomorrow while loosing maybe 100 ped to tax
greetings to the owner of Ouroboros you got the highest valued landarea for shure when people follow my little guide here
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2.
what is wrong with the balance to kick people wo depo big amounts deeeeeeeeeeeeeep in theyr nu**
i opened my selfe (only) around 2K boxes and got nothing usefull out of them
since theyre tradeable i did desside to trade

what i took note of is that new players get betters stuff out of those boxes than older players

i cant name any names since it is not allowed to do so but pm me ingame and i shout it out

sold 20 halloween boxes to a guy who played this game for 6 month , he did got an ares perfected out of it worth more then the investment he made in that 6 month
also sold many boxes to other "newer" players who got high markt up amps and stuff, but i focus the rings in this topic...

12.30.2017 was the burner

i sold 1 box to a random guy with a total loot of 300 ped and 39 highest loot kerberos
and he got the christmas ring 2017 out of it (its in auction now for only 22K ped)
i feel lucky for that guy , like wow gz

but honestly he cant even use the ring effective on that level....
so what is this... ? they try to milk higher levels and give away high valued stuff to rookies who cant use it ?
why there is no cap in that mechanic ??

3.
the all time high of milking

COMPET

2 million usd for what ? for this ? no way lol

again , 2 million usd for a app development "team" that develops a simple app , shame on u for this... honestly
everyone knew that this app will fail since noone want to play a bad pokemon mix up clone (people still waiting to see revenue of the deeds)
following stuff did fail major there:
develop team thought they can corrupt google palay store agb´s, to hold it basic: they did develop a app that is not allowed that way in the market
second thing is they had a very bad timing on release like... why ... u ... release ... a pokemon clone... when pokemon:go is in hype !!?!?!?!
third, no ads about that game , never seen any advertising about compet, not in web and not in tv,

4.
back to entropia, how u profit from shared monsters

well a shared mob is a piggy bank and his live bar is the timer to make it brake :D

so basicly everyone who spends on that mob will get a share right ?

but what if u use krit dmg and krit hit to increase your output damage while wasting same money u need for normal dmg ? right u get a biger cutt of the share while the person with lower dmg get worse loot (you profit out of his pocket)

even when u go out for a team hunt with ur best buddy u never want to cheat in live

actualy u will when u use better damage per pec than him....

to have equal shares u need to have equal stats,damage,gear set up

wo what was the reason again to give out rar rings to new people who cant use them ? ahh right i forgot .. sry .... miiilllkkiing :)


5.
u can simply use a pumpkin candy they cost 1 ped each to transform into a pumpkin,

then you go to boreas or any place where people hang around with low dmg

and make them spend on you, untill ur hp bar drops down 30 % then you runn away and regen back to 100%
and repeat that untill timer turns to 20 sec

what u do now is prty funny... u just runn away to a place where u are alone , hit P and note the location

when u get kicked out of the creature and revive @ the nearest revive terminal the creature is in auto mode controlled by computer (does nothing than staying around all day untill they agro a green dot)

now teleport there and kill it (gg you got all the decay spend on this mob of other players and they get nothing since it is 1 out of range and 2 fully regen)

when u do it regular u hit big globals out of it investing nothing more than 1 ped for the pill + your amo to kill

avarge loot is around 6 to 9 ped i think my highest was 100 somewhat , didnt note ,

what else can i do with that candy ? oh u culd decay people who dont want to be in pvp :D yeah lets milk them from there

so... creature controll pills do a high decay on armor and vehicles basicly u culd destroy a rookie ped card with 5 pills and make him deinstall the game since he cant kill u , and turrets wont help him,

you can place 10 of the creatures on any outpost that will lock people inside since the turrets do not agro

btw 10 pumpkins decay a full armor set in few minutes now imagine u go afk somewhere with your cool armor and get raidet by someone who knows about it

sry to all for giving away that kind of infos , but you need to understand :)

6.
loading mobs when u spend more money on a monster u get higher loot

do a test on a rnd puny use your highest gunn and then your lowest gunn

avarge on a low gunn for example 5 pec per use will be around 4 to 9

when u use a gunn with 50 pec per use it will be 40 to 90 so yeah u can all time high on a puny if u go full retard since 2.0 is a mess up


next thing /its kinda same ... when u try to kill a monster above your level and die like 10 times or something, u will global on it to 80% (no calculation in here just saying)

7.
i heard of a guy who did loot 3 rings in a row out of some boxes he did hold for one year, and i truely beleave into this since no developer on earth put a random drop rate on items (they are all fixed on player base)

so basicly what u do is... u keep 10 box of what ever for 2 years and wait till the other players used theyr boxes then open ur 10 boxes and get out the high value mu

cant proove that since i did not try and i wont try it cus i dont beleave that i will be here for much longer

8.
why we need to use a anti toxic on planet , but not in space ?
whats the reason of amo return in planet pvp but not in space ?

9. why do people have to quit the game cus mindark does not want to recover lost mission rewards ?
like , they dont even respond to that support case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1ntcr0tY88

10. what is with the lag ? thats a multi million $$ company and we got no good servers ? something i dont get here, maybe the server maybe the programming of the game , both kinda stupid to be honest

11. lets take a look on pvp market

so i think everyone is aware of the pyrite patch they did bring up, if not... here is the next free info: you are able to mine pyrite in every pvp location on calypso (no need to go to lootable)

but what did this bring to us ?
well it destroyed the markt, of worthly pvp relatet gear such as for example onehit weapons with very high special damage or exotic damage like mindforce for example
you bought a gunn for 20K ped that onehits people? great u got ripped off now

see it as following

1 factor u dont need to go in pvp 4 as miner now
2 factor the hp upgrade over night, that gave people avarge 10 + hp
the core comunity already runns with 160 hp to 250 unbuffed

for example the cryogenic chips used to be the most overpowered weapons since the armor core is based on burn and cut (cus they want you to spend on monsters) remember when they where sold for 4K ped
nowdays u cant sell a tier 8 cryogenic viii for 4K cus noone will buy it
and whats the point of having a mindforce amp that gives you 36 impact ?
oh yeah right to reduce the martk up of the cryo(cus u dont use cryogenic to hunt effective pve) and make people sell theyr stuff over and over again untill those highly mu items turn to highly tt items

(no point to have a pvp gunn if u cant use it on people in pvp4 since there are no people in pvp 4) and if u find one i am prty shure he got over 300 hp and just does not care if u hit him with 250 dmg when his healing tool is two times faster than your gunn

that leads me to the next milking, did u know that your armor decays more when it gets damage by multiple damage types ?








many other reasons but i am short in time, will write more when i am back , happy reading ( in case this get deleted by admin´s i will repost this day by day with multiple accounts untill the comunity is aware of the topic)

feel free to discuss, sorry for my bad english but thats not my main language :)

this is no mimimi post in any mean , i just shout out my know how and help the comunity to improove as a total out of my given informations
feel free to use it as part of your guides and spread out the know how aslong you dont forget where u got that info from :D

greetings Naika
 
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The main problem for me is : they said this is not a Online Casino but an entertainement service. Ok, so why they can't guarantee a regular and stable return ? They said 96 or 98% average return, where they are ? When most of the regular players have constantly 80/90% return and newcommers got uber loot on mining or small mobs.

It look like loot are based on 100% of luck and not based on your achievement/gear/skills. So is it a Casino or not ?
 
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1) Overkill seems to be returned in loot so skilling on punies for the kill bonus is apparently viable

2) How to be a scumbag 101: Let people shoot/decay into your CC Capsule then run away/regen/kill the mob and keep the loot for yourself

3) Mindark is Evil / Loot boxes are a scam / JFK is still alive
 
Happy i have a lot CC pills left :) will be some fun testing.
 
This is a well thought out and written post with a lot of good points.

Sadly the notion that MA is milking everyone is not news... this has been happening for years and many are aware of it but turn a blind eye because they feel they can "beat the system". The same reason why people are pumping millions into casino's even when their odds are so low and it's designed to separate people from there money at every turn.

One thing to note is you don't need a screenshot to prove your 300 ped sabakuma global as it shows in entropialife here:
http://entropialife.com/Profile.aspx?M=LargestGlobals&P=110818
316 PEDSabakuma11/23/2017

Was neat to hear about the boxes you sold - I was wondering the story behind that seconds xmas ring. It's pretty obvious that part of MA's marketing strategy is to hook new players by "salting" the loots they get. New players that get big loots early tend to stick around longer. I personally can attest to this as I hit several Hof in the 800 - 1000 ped range my first week in game and an unamped 5005 ped iron tower about two weeks in and I've been playing since 2006. And I know of a few others that had similar luck when starting.

Don't even get me started on the bomb-pet fiasco... Good idea but 2 years too late. Much the same as this deep token thing. Good idea to setup an ALT coin but about 2 years too late. Governments are starting to heavily regulate ICO's now which is why the new craze has become simply forking bitcoin instead. Anyways, MA doesn't care that compet failed because they got paid for it anyways.

The $2million they raised was divided as such:
- Development of app: $75,000 (outsourced to the lowest bidder in India)
- Guaranteed Profit For MA: $1,925,000

Anything earned from the app is just gravy which they only had to pay out a small % of to the investors. People wonder why compet deeds haven't and will never pay out? Cause compet didn't make any money. Take 5 minutes to actually look at the app on the store and play it and you'll see why. It's pay to win and the top players can never be knocked down now. All the reviews are people complaining about this and uninstalling. The only people that continue to play are people from Entropia and the occasional 6 year old trying it out for 5 minutes that doesn't know any better.

Anyways, such is the nature of Entropia... I prefer playing it to going to the casino cause the money goes a lot further. There was a time when I was invested tens of thousands of dollars. But with it's current state there's no way I would risk investing more than a couple hundred bucks into it.
 
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12.30.2017 was the burner

i sold 1 box to a random guy with a total loot of 300 ped and 39 highest loot kerberos
and he got the christmas ring 2017 out of it (its in auction now for only 22K ped)
i feel lucky for that guy , like wow gz

The X-mas ring has finally made it! :bomb::handgun::rocket::cdevil:
 
8.
why we need to use a anti toxic on planet , but not in space ?
whats the reason of amo return in planet pvp but not in space ?
try some pvp zones on other planets... ;) (some don't require the toxic shot)
 
Anyways, such is the nature of Entropia... I prefer playing it to going to the casino cause the money goes a lot further. There was a time when I was invested tens of thousands of dollars. But with it's current state there's no way I would risk investing more than a couple hundred bucks into it.
other main advantage vs real world casino is your home computer is probably a lot cleaner, and less icky than a casino. I used to work at a Casino a few blocks from where we live now... Nasty smokers live there so walk in and you are covered in smoke... If you work there you can't imagine how nasty the slots are. I was a security officer and when not doing other security related things had to pick up trash between the slots, etc. Nasty stuff is all over the place there... If you go to a casino regularly, especially without gloves on, expect to be sick regularly. I had more sick days there than anywhere else in my career since there's germs every where...

p.s. don't try any of that Oceans 11 crap in real life... There's cameras everywhere other than in the restrooms and walk in freezers in most casinos... and even then they may have some in the freezer they can figure out how to make it withstand the cold. It is interesting that some casinos have vaults on the opposite side of the restroom back walls some times, but that won't give any would be crook any real advantage...
 
The main problem for me is : they said this is not a Online Casino but an entertainement service. Ok, so why they can't guarantee a regular and stable return ? They said 96 or 98% average return, where they are ? When most of the regular players have constantly 80/90% return and newcommers got uber loot on mining or small mobs.

It look like loot are based on 100% of luck and not based on your achievement/gear/skills. So is it a Casino or not ?

can you tell me what your % return and what gear u used past months/ years :) just curious
 
Finally, a top mmo player is posting here.
Thumbs up to you, PreyNaika for your standup.

It wasn't something new to me.
I have pointed out last year that something wrong with EU looting system vs their RCE concept.
In the same time, I was hoping MA to be transparent on their objective of RCE concept and explaining on how the loot system works.

It's seem like as long as they are still able to make more players to depo, they remained status quo in whatever they do.
 
7.
i heard of a guy who did loot 3 rings in a row out of some boxes he did hold for one year, and i truely beleave into this since no developer on earth put a random drop rate on items (they are all fixed on player base)

so basicly what u do is... u keep 10 box of what ever for 2 years and wait till the other players used theyr boxes then open ur 10 boxes and get out the high value mu

cant proove that since i did not try and i wont try it cus i dont beleave that i will be here for much longer

That would be me you're talking about, Christmas of 2016. To set the record straight I had been playing for 10 years when that occurred, not exactly "new guy", and I had bought over 15,000 strongboxes prior to looting those (a fair bit more than 10). I did not wait 2 years, but rather waited until I needed ammo to open them (as I did not need to open them all at the same time, and it gets rather boring to do so). The rings were looted over the course of a week, not in a row.
 
mindark making money from the playerbase? NO WAY!!1!!111
 
Biggest reseller in the game who gets off lowballing noobs who don't know any better and hyperinflating prices of boxes and other things, yet complains about people getting things from said boxes.

Slightly amusing.
 
i managed to reach lvl 6 cryogenic to lvl 41 in less than one month, how ? well sticking on puny hunting
there is a spot @ half moon cove (it is a quest spot u need to kill 8 sabakuma or something) they got 10 hp
well if u use a gunn that does a minimal damage of 10 u can onehit the sabakumas there and make use of the bad developed skill system
the skill system gives out two kind of skills , 1 pre skill (that is what u gain while u hiting a mob)
the second (thats what we go for) is the kill skill, its kinda bonus for killing the monster,
so when u put on a gunn that does minimum 10 dmg and u onehit a monster u gain that kill skill bonus, when u do it right u gain more skills than hunting on your lvl with sib and skill pill and skill bonus,
the sabakuma spot @ halfmoon cove does reset prty fast so monsters respawn there kinda instand (bigest delay like 5 sec cus of the server lag)

thats 3,540 a hour , thats 21,240 kills in 6 h (a regular gaming shift) 42.480 in 12 h (hardcore grinder shift) thats around 148.680 kills in one week of grind

I just went to Half Moon Cove to test it, what i found is that i regularly did not get a skill gain over 12 shots, went as high as 24 shots before a skill registered (green line). When out shooting normal mobs, I would get a skill gain every 3-5 shots. The tt amount per skill gain was lower shooting saba's as well.

Also that spot can handle 2 people max doing one-shots...any more than that and you will be waiting around.

Regarding what you consider a regular gaming shift is different to what most people who play this game would consider regular. 6 hours per day is above regular....people have lives/jobs/kids, etc....your hardcore grinder shift of 12 hours means you dont work or this is your job....which if it is, i'm not sure how you would be able to make a living on shooting low level mobs.

What i take away from this, is that if you are grinding mobs for 6 hours a day every day, then yes you will go from level 6 to level 41 in a month.....but it gets exponentially harder to gain a level the higher you get...so to reach level 100, it is still going to be a long road.
 
That would be me you're talking about, Christmas of 2016. To set the record straight I had been playing for 10 years when that occurred, not exactly "new guy", and I had bought over 15,000 strongboxes prior to looting those (a fair bit more than 10). I did not wait 2 years, but rather waited until I needed ammo to open them (as I did not need to open them all at the same time, and it gets rather boring to do so). The rings were looted over the course of a week, not in a row.


In reference to OP's #7 post:

I remember chatting to Capt. J.B. on this and that of the RNG and what not on the rings dropping, but imo Cpt. JB. did buy a ton of boxes and had been a seasoned player as well (not that would matter if it's RNG based).

@ OP: Please click the link below in my signiture even though I did not get 3 Xmas 2016 rings; I did get a couple.

Just hope MA keeps improving on the RNG and attempts to create more "luck" & balances of based options ingame...but then there's tons of ingame things that MA needs to fix before moving onto ICO, new moon creations, and adding more and more content that's imo not really vital.

Anyways, to a happy New Year to all and wishing everyone a safe journey both IRL and ingame!
 
A word about devaluing PvP gear.

Looting people in PvP4/3 is not all what PvP gear is used for.

Ever heared of LANDGRAB, thats the PvP where big societys fight over an landarea that generates revenue for the winning society as long they own the LA.
If you watch some videos or streams about landgrab, well you would notice, that is where the big ass PvP gear is used :)
 
Psst.. don't tell anyone, but I heard MA is in business to make money. :eyecrazy:
 
It's always fun to hear from someone who's making such massive profits from working out the system that he's going to quit the game.
 
i skipped all this after reading the first 5 lines.

I'm a cow. MoOOooOoOooo.

and the cow below me is also MoOOooOoOoooing.
 
8.
why we need to use a anti toxic on planet , but not in space ?
whats the reason of amo return in planet pvp but not in space ?

because airtight spacecraft protects you :D
I think i flew once into toxic area on planet in sleipnir without anti-toxic and didn't die, but it's been a while so i may recall wrong :D
 
want to show people how mindark is milking us,

You're new here, huh? :)

MA has always been hard pressed to make a profit at the expense of the players (their only source of income: deposits & annual item sales to players) while at the same time, keeping a game mechanic designed to allow a few others who either understand the game well, or get lucky to profit as well. In truth, that's a hard tightrope to keep balanced on and they've done an "ok" job for over a decade.

Personally, I've had fun for over 11+ years here and am fine bypassing some of their more fancy shenanigans. The amount I've paid into here is less than $20/month average over 11+ years. That's a pay rate I'm fully comfortable with for my entertainment time.

So yes, if you find yourself "losing" more money here than you wanted, I suspect you haven't truly understood the game.

And yes, I fully expect MA to be able to pay their bills, otherwise they have to close down the game and then, whoops. I have no more fun here. :(
 
Kill shot skill gains being much bigger than regular skill gains has been known for like 10 years.
 
1. I may have my "Jays " mixed up, if so, my apologies... But if that is the one I am thinking about, lol.

2. Only source of income?? ER.. Deposit fees, Withdrawal fees, Planet fees, Auction fees.. etc.
 
1. I may have my "Jays " mixed up, if so, my apologies... But if that is the one I am thinking about, lol.

2. Only source of income?? ER.. Deposit fees, Withdrawal fees, Planet fees, Auction fees.. etc.

Deposit fees are paid to merchant companies, withdrawal fees are wire charges.. they dont make money there.

Planet fees go to the planet partner (which seems antiquated now), auction fees are one thing that are split amongst ma and pps.. and are what keeps what little mu we have left in the game.
 
... auction fees are one thing that are split amongst ma and pps.. and are what keeps what little mu we have left in the game.
Which turns it into a mere illusion since after the fees there is nothing left and you could have gotten the same out of the TT without wait or risk. I wish for the new CEO to have the team look into these things.
 
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