YUP I Proves it Skills Matter!!

I am no stranger to posting pissed off threads and getting typical neg rep from the usual MA ass-kisser etc.. This one is no different so don't read on if you don't like rants - casue this is one but imo a fucking valid one!

After being told for years that i am wrong and no way i can lose as often as i say i do, i decided to make a log and prove it to myself. Now i know others lose a lot more than me and i never deposited a lot but i have earned a 1000's in game in trading etc.. and lost most of it. To me that is the same as depositing and is actually more work.

I have never taken a penny out of the game nor do i care to. all skill are 100% earned and not bought on a credit card and yes i took many breaks over 10 years due to - that's right absolutely shit loot that almost broke me several times. I never hunt above my level, never used un-maxed weps. There were maybe a hand full of team hunts on mobs above my level.

In all the 10+ years in game i looted exactly 1 Nemesis F shins in like 2008/9 for a whopping +70 ped i believe. My first hof was a daki young for 400+ ped in 2008-ish? and then nothing above that for 7+ years! Finally in i think 2015 i got a 500 ped Kerb guardian - after losing the requisite amount of ped more than that hof. Another 500 ped kerb after a year + of even more losses and since then more loses with nothing over 200-ish ped from an argo.

So now that i have maybe a few K of ped of items, gear and ped left, which is not enough to hunt any mob anywhere near my level or even below my level, i decided to see if all the advice i gotten from so many players that have come and gone since i been here is worth the time listening to. The most common thing told to me was you have to kill many more mobs before loot evens out, don't hunt above you level, use maxed weps, cycle enough ped on a mob. oh yea and that i cant track right without a log.

HMMM So what mob would a player with 115K skills have to kill enough of, cycle enough ped on and is not above my level and i have enough remaining ped to hunt --OHHH!!!! i know a 12 hp mob on Ark!! of course and surely since skills matter, cause everyone says they do so, i can use my skills and at least break even - dont care about profit just prove i can break even.

Results below - not a single positive run, not one, not one pec. SO THANKS MA for taking 1000's of my ped on noob mobs while i get to watch those same mobs drop 5K + hofs to others and then shafting me on the smallest of noob mobs.

i'll wait for the replies that tell me all the things i should have done and weps i should have used etc.. but in reality if this were a 500 HP mob i would have lost the same % (likely more) which would have just ended in a much larger $ amount lost - and since MA took all me ped- 12 hp mobs is what i can hunt.

Weps used were SI combat knife (Shortblade), Falx, Bukins blade, a batsim for a short run of 1 shot kills when i was really pissed and wanted to finish a mission.

I finished male - 1k, 5K, Female 1k, and am 1500 into the 5K so that's at lest 8500 kills but call it 7K as i was part way into the 1k male before the log (i think).

Run 1

Total Ped out 40.84
TT return 37.81
Gain/(Loss) -3.03
TT Return % 0.925808031
overall % 0.925808031
Overall Profit/(Loss) -3.03

Run 2

Total Ped out 38.8
TT return 38.33
Gain/(Loss) -0.47
TT Return % 0.987886598
overall % 0.956052235
Overall TT out 79.64
Overall TT in 76.14
Overall Profit/(Loss) -3.5

Run 3

Total Ped out 43.68
TT return 39.87
Gain/(Loss) -3.81
TT Return % 0.912774725
overall % 0.940723321
Overall TT out 123.32
Overall TT in 116.01
Overall Profit/(Loss) -7.31

Run 4

Total Ped out 38.8
TT return 35.24
Gain/(Loss) -3.56
TT Return % 0.908247423
overall % 0.932950901
Overall TT out 162.12
Overall TT in 151.25
Overall Profit/(Loss) -10.87


Run 5
SI Blade 9.70ped x 2 = 19.40 19.4
falx 11.65 * 3, 40 ped gun 74.95
Total Ped out 94.35
TT return 91.58
Gain/(Loss) -2.77
TT Return % 0.970641229
overall % 0.946816392
Overall TT out 256.47
Overall TT in 242.83
Overall Profit/(Loss) -13.64


Run 6

Total Ped out 54.44
TT return 49.17
Gain/(Loss) -5.27
TT Return % 0.903196179
overall % 0.93917854
Overall TT out 310.91
Overall TT in 292
Overall Profit/(Loss) -18.91


Run 7
52.7
Total Ped out 52.7
TT return 47.13
Gain/(Loss) -5.57
TT Return % 0.8943074
overall % 0.932675119
Overall TT out 363.61
Overall TT in 339.13
Overall Profit/(Loss) -24.48


Run 8
67.83
Total Ped out 67.83
TT return 57.69
Gain/(Loss) -10.14
TT Return % 0.850508625
overall % 0.919757093
Overall TT out 431.44
Overall TT in 396.82
Overall Profit/(Loss) -34.62


Run 9
25.31
Total Ped out 25.31
TT return 23.4
Gain/(Loss) -1.91
TT Return % 0.924535757
overall % 0.920021894
Overall TT out 456.75
Overall TT in 420.22
Overall Profit/(Loss) -36.53


Run 10
34.09
Total Ped out 34.09
TT return 28.89
Gain/(Loss) -5.2
TT Return % 0.847462599
overall % 0.914982479
Overall TT out 490.84
Overall TT in 449.11
Overall Profit/(Loss) -41.73


Run 11
32.13
Total Ped out 32.13
TT return 29.11
Gain/(Loss) -3.02
TT Return % 0.906006847
overall % 0.914431038
Overall TT out 522.97
Overall TT in 478.22
Overall Profit/(Loss) -44.75

This looks normal... You cycled 500 ped and got 92% return.... Cycle 10,000 more PED in the same fashion and I'll bet you'll see closer to 95-98% returns. Squeeze every bit of markup you can out of it, and I'll bet you'll see closer to 98-103% returns. You're on the right track mate, just a long way off from getting a good average.

Of course skills matter. You should be fully maxed on all of your equipment, and have a high enough defensive profession to avoid getting hit too often. Beyond that, skills do not matter.

If your trying to profit by TT only, that is the problem right there....no one in this game is entitled to TT profit.
You need to make your gains via MU. This game is designed to slowly take your money from you hence why MA claim 92-97% return rate over the long run on average. Hint average doesn't mean everyone gets the same return.

Your returns look about right, what exactly were you expecting?

Maybe this will give you a real sense of what you should expect long term...

TT Return: 96.6% (Efficiency 63.1%)





Note that some swings are greater than 1k, and the trend is negative return obviously..

I can sympathize, but have used my 10 years in this game to become aware of a few things. First: You don't lose, you spend. If you're not agreeable to the price, stop spending. Regarding skills: There are all kinds of skills in this game and they all make you better in their respective area. The one skill responsible for getting to profit is sales, or general business acumen. And it's not in the game design attached to your avatar, it is your ability as a human you bring to the table, since you need to obtain something from other players, not the system. This is what most people don't really sign up for, despite reading "RCE" (yours truly is no exception). In the bigger picture, since this is a pure redistribution mechanism, there can only ever be a minority that profits off a majority of consumers. You need the brass balls to lift yourself over the threshold if you want to live on the upper side. All that said, I do have some criticisms about the tools the game offers to achieve this, or the lack thereof. But I've decided first of all to keep my sovereignty and never feel guilty or inadequate about being a consumer. They are the ones who keep the lights on and if they're too unhappy, collectively, the rest can't do a thing about it other than making them happy again.

MrFatBoy said:

I am no stranger to posting pissed off threads and getting typical neg rep from the usual MA ass-kisser etc.. This one is no different so don't read on if you don't like rants - casue this is one but imo a fucking valid one!

Results below - not a single positive run, not one, not one pec. SO THANKS MA for taking 1000's of my ped on noob mobs while i get to watch those same mobs drop 5K + hofs to others and then shafting me on the smallest of noob mobs.

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Starting off by attacking the community isn't really going to get people on your side.

As far as I'm aware MA has never taken profits directly from ammo spent vs loot returned. If that were the case they'd be making a heck of a lot more than they are currently and loots would all but disappear - especially with the current player base.

It's more than just hunting at your level, it's making informed decisions based on trends and possible MU items to offset the fact loot is going to be on the low end around 80% return and high end around 95% over lots of PED cycled. Hunting 12hp mobs and hoping for even a couple hundred PED multi is going to be extremely rare.

You've only lost around 50 PED over all those runs and are sitting at just over 90% return. I'd say that's pretty damn good considering. So you've lost $5 for how much time spent with entertainment? That's what should matter most, if you come in just hoping to get big loots you're probably going to have a much harder time when it doesn't work out for you.

MrFatBoy said:

I am no stranger to posting pissed off threads and getting typical neg rep from the usual MA ass-kisser etc.. This one is no different so don't read on if you don't like rants - casue this is one but imo a fucking valid one!

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You attack people, and imply that anyone who disagrees with you an MA ass-kisser. This is so woefully ignorant and - lets be honest - quite thick. This is where you are going wrong.

Couldnt care less about your tt returns, if its above 90% what the feck are you complaining about? You know do realise you only make money off other players in game? So if everyone tt profit, THERE WOULD BE NO GAME.

Over and out.

Rgds

Ace

MrFatBoy said:

I am no stranger to posting pissed off threads and getting typical neg rep from the usual MA ass-kisser etc

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MrFatBoy said:

i never deposited a lot

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MrFatBoy said:

Weps used were SI combat knife (Shortblade), Falx, Bukins blade, a batsim for a short run of 1 shot kills when i was really pissed and wanted to finish a mission.

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You barely deposit, played for years, hit multiple hofs and then go hunt crappy mob with crappy setup and get normal return. All your logs/post proved is that having a brain matters.

ye..like the others also said....it starts from the mindset.....its not loss.its spending/paying for the amount of entertainment -time spent...

if you pay a bill at a restaurant or pay a taxi driver..and you give a huge extra tip....are then many peds lost there?

its not designed to have tt-profit..and yes..the game wouldnt exist then...so better think of it in another way..or you will get real angry in future also..because the change you want will never happen...think of it of an subscription game where you pay a fee.....or change to another game where you dont need money...

your results were pretty good i would say...every run over 90%,some even 94%..AND did you count your skills also in there...you knwo skills are also money...

Eddie

The only times I ever really complained about EU, is if you deposit say £100 (1200 ped ish) hunt medium level mobs and within a few days you've been cleaned out. It always felt you didn't get enough peds and chances for your money. I always wanted it to feel fair and reasonable.

I just want to chill and relax these days for my entertainment (without all that high blood pressure and risk), so I focus on low level stuff. To be honest I don't mind paying for that, as long as I do get a decent amout of time for my peds.

I do alot of taming these days (input peds about 270 peds per 2 hours), I enjoy it, and seem to have aquired enough skills that I can hang in there for quite alot of runs.

In my experience over the years any MU gained in game or hofs always seem to be treated as a short term loan by the system. It's almost as if the system sets you on this linear path of what peds you deserve and pulls you back to that linear line (the 90%+ rule). I also strongly believe that if you do deposit the game gives you more chances to bounce back (some say thats rubbish, but we all have our own personal beliefs).

So if you're a trader and hardly ever depo, the cuddle factor so to speak (in my opinion), is not going to be as warm. It's like not buying your misses a card and treating her to lots of presents on her birthday etc. She's not going to feel loved and do lots of rude things to you....in return is she? So it's a bit of a balance, and you need to try and find that balance that satisfies both of you (game v you).

However considering the low amount you appear to have paid into the game (supported the game), I can't see how you complain at all really. Although I wish you the best in your endeavours.

Deposit $100 or $200, the love will flow for sure.

Rick

MrFatBoy said:

Overall Profit/(Loss) -44.75

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OMG, nearly five bucks!!!

OP wants to live in a world where we can all read a short guide on hunting efficiently and proceed to make a virtual living stabbing snablesnots. That's what it sounds like.

10 years in EU was it? What percentage of that time was spent actually playing the game?

ZPF said:

OP wants to live in a world where we can all read a short guide on hunting efficiently and proceed to make a virtual living stabbing snablesnots.

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Don't we all?

Hey, I lose all the time but I still love this game!

What can be said that hasn't be said 1000 times before?

• Entropia is a game of diminishing returns - not a charity. Go in expecting to lose.
• We as a community strive for 95% return (still a loss) and consider that "doing good".
• Thousands must lose so that one may profit. Cause MA isn't paying for the HoFs out of pocket - we are!
• Just because someone hits a 5k, 10k, 100k HoF (or multiple) doesn't mean they are anywhere close to being in profit all things considered. Most people are in the same boat of losing their ass for a long stretch and then miraculously hit a nice HoF that MAYBE brings them to even or slightly in profit for a brief moment until their next run where they end up losing horribly.
• Generally the players that make profit regularly from hunting have invested tens of thousands of dollars into their avatars and have the biggest risk of loss if Entropia shuts down forever tomorrow. Because if EU is shutting down all markups go to $0 and all skills become worthless for resale. And the vast majority of the value of these peoples accounts is in their skills and the markup on their gear (rather than pure TT value).

It's best to look at Entropia for what it is - online gambling in an MMO wrapper. Avatar skills only allow you the ability to gamble on the higher levels (via better gear) and increase your edge over players with no skill to a predefined amount (IE maxing out your gun to reduce excess cost per run by a few %).

Of course, unlike a casino you have the ability to hedge your gambling by doing other activities such as trading, fapping, sweating to help offset your losses provided you're willing to put in the time and your losses aren't astronomically huge. Additionally, unlike a casino I find that my money goes a hell of a lot farther for dollar per hour of entertainment.

At the casino I can lose $200 in 15 minutes or less with nothing in return but a free glass of Pepsi. In Entropia a $200 deposit can last me 100+ hours of gameplay if I'm smart and don't go too nuts with big gambles (IE Explosive Projectiles). And usually most of my ped loss is return in the form of skill value that I get to keep.

This game has nothing to do with actual play skill and everything to do with your long term strategy which inevitably is ruled by luck. Much like poker or counting cards playing blackjack. The best strategy can improve your odds but it won't guarantee success all of the time. And even if you play perfect 100% of the time, if luck just isn't on your side it won't matter - sometimes you're just destine to lose.

You want to make money? Get a job.
You don't have money to lose? Play a different game.
You really just want to play EU? Expect to lose money.

Best of luck though - we've all been where you're at. Losing our asses and crying out "when is it my fucking turn to hit good?".

Cheers

Captain Jack said:

This looks normal... You cycled 500 ped and got 92% return.... Cycle 10,000 more PED in the same fashion and I'll bet you'll see closer to 95-98% returns. Squeeze every bit of markup you can out of it, and I'll bet you'll see closer to 98-103% returns. You're on the right track mate, just a long way off from getting a good average.

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i can understand 100Kped on big mobs but seriously how many people will ever have 10K in game at anytime -5% at most?

From my point of view if i shot 500 ped on a 12 HP mob returns should be better than 90-ish %. Plenty of people have bitched about sub 9x.x% on big mobs as "unsustainable" 500 ped on 12 hp is the same at 5000 on 120 ped mob 50k on 1200 ped mob - if i cant break even or get relay close to even why would i trust to deposit 10K ped to hunt bigger mobs?

I do understand what you are saying. Maybe my thinking if off - but to me the loot mechanism is the same for all mobs just different #'s is all. 12hp mob 6 pec to kill 2 ped loot is most you will get. 1200 hp cost 6 ped to kill (guessing here) but = much bigger hof potential.

thanks!

Darth Revan said:

If your trying to profit by TT only, that is the problem right there....no one in this game is entitled to TT profit.
You need to make your gains via MU. This game is designed to slowly take your money from you hence why MA claim 92-97% return rate over the long run on average. Hint average doesn't mean everyone gets the same return.

Your returns look about right, what exactly were you expecting?

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was not trying to TT profit - re-read what i posted. The point is that no matter how small a mob or if i hunt bigger i hunt no matter how eco no matter how much skills - 90% is barely obtainable for me. i think my log proves it.

Thanks for the reply !

Don't get me wrong OP, but YOU FUKIN COMPLAIN ON LOOSING 4$ !!!!
Becouse of fukin nubs non-depo stupid kids sweatgatherers bandwich-eaters the 12 pec mobs uber and all the players do fukin Kerberos !!!!
My advice: fuck off and delete the game or depo and play !

San said:

I can sympathize, but have used my 10 years in this game to become aware of a few things. First: You don't lose, you spend. If you're not agreeable to the price, stop spending. Regarding skills: There are all kinds of skills in this game and they all make you better in their respective area. The one skill responsible for getting to profit is sales, or general business acumen. And it's not in the game design attached to your avatar, it is your ability as a human you bring to the table, since you need to obtain something from other players, not the system. This is what most people don't really sign up for, despite reading "RCE" (yours truly is no exception). In the bigger picture, since this is a pure redistribution mechanism, there can only ever be a minority that profits off a majority of consumers. You need the brass balls to lift yourself over the threshold if you want to live on the upper side. All that said, I do have some criticisms about the tools the game offers to achieve this, or the lack thereof. But I've decided first of all to keep my sovereignty and never feel guilty or inadequate about being a consumer. They are the ones who keep the lights on and if they're too unhappy, collectively, the rest can't do a thing about it other than making them happy again.

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True it is spend but lose in terms of not breaking even on the cost of a hunt is what i mean but you are right.

As i said in my post i have made a lot (for my play level) ingame. Business acumen i have - i have no money worries in RL, owned a business, run a small group of people in a multi Billion $ consulting firm make a nice living with good benefits / retirement plan. Luckier than most and grateful for it too.

all your other points are spot on and i would be happy to be a consumer too and pay in - but the game as it is has no possibilities for me even if i deposited a lot. I really would be fine grinding lower level mobs but there has to be a "possibility" or a chance to get something nice at lower end too. Cant even get a ESI now that at least in the past i would get every so very often on an Argo.

Thanks for excellent reply!!

ChronicDeadEye said:

Starting off by attacking the community isn't really going to get people on your side.

As far as I'm aware MA has never taken profits directly from ammo spent vs loot returned. If that were the case they'd be making a heck of a lot more than they are currently and loots would all but disappear - especially with the current player base.

It's more than just hunting at your level, it's making informed decisions based on trends and possible MU items to offset the fact loot is going to be on the low end around 80% return and high end around 95% over lots of PED cycled. Hunting 12hp mobs and hoping for even a couple hundred PED multi is going to be extremely rare.

You've only lost around 50 PED over all those runs and are sitting at just over 90% return. I'd say that's pretty damn good considering. So you've lost $5 for how much time spent with entertainment? That's what should matter most, if you come in just hoping to get big loots you're probably going to have a much harder time when it doesn't work out for you.

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Did not mean to attack the community but yea i should have defined what i meant more there. The people that i mean to refer to are those that never let anyone voice their opinion unless its positive towards MA they think their game experience is what everyone else get ... you know what i me.

I get the hunt for MU thing but really there is no MU at lower levels,

the 90% would be good except for the fact that i am down 1000's on Kerbs b4 i did this. The 5 ped is shit yea i get that but that's not the point and no it was not entertaining killing 7k+ annoying mobs! I know they dont global or at least i never seen a global on them - i chose them to prove skills mean nothing and to see if i even have a chance to break even.

I rather get stable returns with an occasional nice loot - but that topic has been discussed b4 and MA has tried it both ways too but the valleys are just to deep and long for most casual players now and we can speculate why but it wont change a thing.

Thanks!

Ace Flyster said:

You attack people, and imply that anyone who disagrees with you an MA ass-kisser. This is so woefully ignorant and - lets be honest - quite thick. This is where you are going wrong.

Couldnt care less about your tt returns, if its above 90% what the feck are you complaining about? You know do realise you only make money off other players in game? So if everyone tt profit, THERE WOULD BE NO GAME.

Over and out.

Rgds

Ace

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wasn't attacking the community but was referring to "some people". I am sure a lot of people know what i meant, but yea should I have been more specific.

No where did i say anyone that disagrees with me is an ass kisser. but it seems anyone that disagrees with your idea of whats right and not right about the game is to be ignored. typical tacit of so many on EF that feel the need to protect MA all the time.

But You also didn't read enough - or maybe just didn't comprehend what i was getting at.If i were at 90% on other than 12 hp mobs for this 500 ped experiment i'd be happy.

If you read my post you would have understood that i have made $ in game trading etc.. so yea i understand you don't profit TT wise and i never said that was the point of my log.

And who should profit all the time - those that were here 10 years ago just cause they were here? those that have unfair advantages - cheat, exploit, deposited the most, are unemployed and can grind 18 hours a day? are they gonna keep the lights on after the rest of the players quit?

Maybe you are one of those that profit and just expect everyone to accept 90% to protect that. i don't know but you are one to shoot off replies with a very dismissive attitude - for what ever reason. maybe your a credit card cowboy and think everyone else should just pay and pay and pay without expecting anything in return? maybe you profit a ton and know you wont if less and less play the game, maybe your just a suck up and hope MA will throw you a bone.

over and out.

MrFatBoy said:

was not trying to TT profit - re-read what i posted. The point is that no matter how small a mob or if i hunt bigger i hunt no matter how eco no matter how much skills - 90% is barely obtainable for me. i think my log proves it.

Thanks for the reply !

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I don't think you quite understand, the point about tt profit is that no one can get that or should get that. You need to make up your loses by MU (Markup) and other activites such as trading/sweating/healing, etc.
You say you can barely obtain 90%....out of 11 runs you had 8 over 90% returns.....how is that barely obtaining 90%?
You total return is just under 92% overall for the small amount you cycled....no doubt at that level your efficiently is not overly high, your not using buffs and not watching overkill. The fact that you said you 1 shot killed some mobs because you were pissed off explains some of your results. Your own logs proves what i have put, it does not prove your point.

You are telling us that this should not be the result you get....many of us are telling you that this is the result you should expect as thats what out experience and what MA have confirmed. Just because you don't want to listen to us, doesn't mean that we are all hiding some secret from you.

This game is designed to take your money...how long you let it last is up to you. Want to blow it faster? go hunt some big mobs on a small budget. Want it to last a long time? then hunt to your budget. Ive linked it before many times but there is a post by $5 about bankroll management and why it is important...seriously any new mentors should give this link as one of the first things a new person should look at....or even one that has been in the game for a long time. This thing really needs to be stickied:

https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?287791-Risk-of-Ruin-Bankroll-Management&highlight=bankroll


The other thing i have noticed, if you move up from small mobs of 12hp (punies) to something that has around 300+ hp, then you start to notice that the game changes more, the loot you get sometimes actually has MU depending on what your setup/efficiency/dpp is. You will notice that your will get more mini's more often that can help increase your returns. Honestly, if i go hunting punies just for a break and put 500ped into them, i lose more % wise then i do on 1000 hp mobs with 10K ped...but thats % wise not value wise.....ped amount is higher loss on bigger mobs but can usually sell some loot to reduce that loss (normally still a loss).

If you want to get to around 95-97% returns, you need to stop hunting punies, look at what setup you are using, look into buffs and how the system pays out and maybe join a soc that has people that know what they are talking about and are open to actively helping you (my soc doesn't and is pretty much dead so don't request to join that). Do some reasearch, try some things out, ask for help and the biggest thing.....pray that lootius is good to you.

Otherwise you might as well just give up on the game if your not prepared to do any of that.

BigPimping said:

You barely deposit, played for years, hit multiple hofs and then go hunt crappy mob with crappy setup and get normal return. All your logs/post proved is that having a brain matters.

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your talking about brains and and you completely missed every relevant point in my post - wow.

hint - you ignored the part about the 1000's of ped lost on small mobs, that i said i took a lot of breaks due to said losses etc... go re-read the post.

getting a 500 ped hof that cost 1500 ped to get is not getting something good. losing a whole lot more right after the hof is even worse - but you would know this as you seem to catch all the details and got this whole game figure out arelay.

if you new to game come tolk to me in 5 months - 95% chance you quit. till then see you at the sweat circle.

MrFatBoy said:

the 90% would be good except for the fact that i am down 1000's on Kerbs b4 i did this.

Thanks!

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We've come to the root of your problem. Kerbs are gambling mobs. There are probably more than a 100 different people hunting them every day at minimum so your chances of actually breaking even is drastically reduced unless you get incredibly lucky and pull one of the 5k hofs.

I consider them to be the EP of hunting.

Haruto Rat said:

OMG, nearly five bucks!!!

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OMG!!! you didn't read the post. you are one of the ass kissers i am referring to and thank you for proving my point.

or did your reply have some hidden meaning the rest of us cant figure out?

did you also neg rep me - of course you did because anyone really cares about that.

ZPF said:

OP wants to live in a world where we can all read a short guide on hunting efficiently and proceed to make a virtual living stabbing snablesnots. That's what it sounds like.

10 years in EU was it? What percentage of that time was spent actually playing the game?

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not worth replying to you are your questions were addressed in my post.

MrFatBoy said:

I get the hunt for MU thing but really there is no MU at lower levels,

the 90% would be good except for the fact that i am down 1000's on Kerbs b4 i did this. The 5 ped is shit yea i get that but that's not the point and no it was not entertaining killing 7k+ annoying mobs! I know they dont global or at least i never seen a global on them - i chose them to prove skills mean nothing and to see if i even have a chance to break even.

I rather get stable returns with an occasional nice loot - but that topic has been discussed b4 and MA has tried it both ways too but the valleys are just to deep and long for most casual players now and we can speculate why but it wont change a thing.

Thanks!

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Thanks for the clarification. Yes, very much on the same page there. If there is no MU then your best business sense can't produce it and the conclusion is that you need to decide whether the cost is justified for the experience you got or not. I've been doing the downsizing for a while. About the attacking, well, people tend to get very defensive when being called out on unreasonable spending habits, or at least their pride of being able to do so gets scratched. No point trying to change their view, it's not working. What is worth criticizing is that it's unhealthy for a company to rely on those to keep the show running. That's lazy and dangerous. But I think one has to be fair and see that serious attempts have been made, most recently with the ArMatrix series and skilling widgets, to entice consumption of the materials whose value should increase. The Restoration chips were also aiming in that direction, but naturally the effect subsided when the market got saturated with them. If it's not working or takes too much time to take off or works only temporarily, then the other side is not motivated enough and needs further attention. It's a lengthy learning process.

Kristoliquid said:

Hey, I lose all the time but I still love this game!

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i am happy for you.

I do love the game - this is the first an only online game i play - well game like this nor COD or game like that.

I'd say this game clicked with me almost instantly. I used to spend my vacation days playing like 18 hours a day with an awesome soc mate - was lots of fun then - but then we sued to get some nice runs to offset the shit ones.

to me not enough people hold MA's feet to the fire and that is why to continue to treat the players the way they do. to me those that just cheer lead telling MA how great they are etc.. thinking they are "protecting" or helping the game grow are actually undermining it slowly.

gl and hope you hit it big one day.

maiden said:

Don't get me wrong OP, but YOU FUKIN COMPLAIN ON LOOSING 4$ !!!!
Becouse of fukin nubs non-depo stupid kids sweatgatherers bandwich-eaters the 12 pec mobs uber and all the players do fukin Kerberos !!!!
My advice: fuck off and delete the game or depo and play !

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you are a moron - go read my post its not the $5 - i spend more than $5 on breakfast every day.