An open thought..

Essentially, to anyone considering "playing" this "game", you should be aware that the stakes are as high or low as you want them to be. It is absolutely possible to lose your shirt "playing" this "game". If you so choose.

Why? Because even though no one likes to admit it, the mechanics of this thing, are similar if not identical to a casino. Yes, it is true. Yes, there are players that have lost tens of thousands of dollars to this system. Yes, there are players that break even at low stakes, and yes there are a very select few that have been extremely lucky and have profited.

Mindark is in business to make money, and reading between all the lines, they have made money hand over fist for some years now. That money comes from players depositing money, and if you choose to do so you should be prepared to lose literally, all of it.

Something is wrong with this game today. The balance is off... .way off. So, I offer my humble opinion that you need to go in with eyes wide open and realize this for what it is.

Greed.. has crushed people, families, countries and empires all throughout history. My personal opinion at the moment is that MA is falling victim to this, so I'm asking you to analyze for yourself if you as a person/individual will fall victim to this.

Last thing... does anyone think it is entirely weird and something is seriously wrong if this "game" is touting "less lag!" as a main headline this far into the game? Seriously? This is basic blocking and tackling... basic housekeeping of running a business like this. If that's the best we get, why the hell are we all here? Think about it for a moment...

This thing is so broken, it's almost humorous.

Just saying...

And before you flame this post, I ask you to reflect over the last year or more that you've been playing and give some thought to how much actual real world money you have placed into this, and tell me I'm wrong.

Before you preach about skills, eco, methods, 90% TT value, etc. Look at just two numbers for me - how much you've put in, and how much you have now.

It doesn't really matter how many peds I have now compared with last year. I play to have fun and I am prepared to pay some peds to be able to have fun playing Entropia.

I agree with this, just like any other entertainment this also cost money, as the threadstarter wrote, MA is in this to make money so no surprise most of us will pay to play.

bent561 said:

It doesn't really matter how many peds I have now compared with last year. I play to have fun and I am prepared to pay some peds to be able to have fun playing Entropia.

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xxPriestxx said:

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This thing is so broken, it's almost humorous.

Just saying...

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It has been broken ever since they launched bugtropia...ehh.. I mean project entropia.

It's not ALMOST humorous, it IS humorous!

Just saying...


Ah well, nothing new to see here

Well, it is cheaper and more fun than the real world casino that's less than a mile from where I live, which I no longer visit regularly as a patron because I play Entropia, so it does a fair job of whatever it is that this game does do.

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And before you flame this post, I ask you to reflect over the last year or more that you've been playing and give some thought to how much actual real world money you have placed into this, and tell me I'm wrong.

Before you preach about skills, eco, methods, 90% TT value, etc. Look at just two numbers for me - how much you've put in, and how much you have now.

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It seems a you're given it quite some thought but I cannot understand how you missed this perspective:

bent561 said:

It doesn't really matter how many peds I have now compared with last year. I play to have fun and I am prepared to pay some peds to be able to have fun playing Entropia.

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Most of us are in this place with this game, we're paying for fun. It's good fun, the playerbase is a mature audience that can afford some costs. How they spend their money is their business.

BEcause MA is a business, breaking even in their game, should be for a select few, highly skilled and very well geared players, but guess what, a lot of players of all levels break even, by carefully playing the game and that's awesome if you ask me. Certain parts of the game can be seen as a casino, but no one forces you to craft explosives, you can craft stuff that sells for markup...
This is not a thing of the last year, it's how the game works since the beginning. You kind of have to pay markup to get markup and a house fee.
Stakes are what you want them to be. 20 ped a click or 2 pec, your choice.
The problem of this game is that mentoring is hard and bad players do it; the problem is when mentors tell noobs they get rich if they go L13 hard on FOMA... like you for example, you look like you had a bad mentor that told you you can get profit if you do pretty much anything u want, use any tool you want, on any activity you want and it's luck based. Sad.

Yup its gambling. Know your limit and play within it.

However in EUs defence, at least you have the ability to luck out and make money on occasion. Plus you have the ability to supplement your losses via sweating, trading...etc. Which is something you can't do at the casino. Can't lose $100 then just go in the back and wash dishes for a couple days for the money back lol

Additionally, the risks with EU in terms of money loss and addiction are no different than any other facebook/mobile games with micro transactions. Many people blow hundreds a month on dumb little powerups with no value. I even recall reading about one guy that spent $10,000 on hearthstone packs.

The key is to go in expecting to lose, have a budget and stick to it.

xxPriestxx said:

And before you flame this post, I ask you to reflect over the last year or more that you've been playing and give some thought to how much actual real world money you have placed into this, and tell me I'm wrong.

Before you preach about skills, eco, methods, 90% TT value, etc. Look at just two numbers for me - how much you've put in, and how much you have now.

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Ok, Flame on..

xxPriestxx said:

Essentially, to anyone considering "playing" this "game", you should be aware that the stakes are as high or low as you want them to be. It is absolutely possible to lose your shirt "playing" this "game". If you so choose.

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Hmm, Personal Choice and Responsibility! Oh My! Is that possible?

xxPriestxx said:

Why? Because even though no one likes to admit it, the mechanics of this thing, are similar if not identical to a casino.

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NO! A Game based on real world funds has the same game mechanics as a Casino?!? Imagine that?

xxPriestxx said:

Yes, it is true. Yes, there are players that have lost tens of thousands of dollars to this system. Yes, there are players that break even at low stakes, and yes there are a very select few that have been extremely lucky and have profited.

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But there are also many players that have not placed a dime in this game and play to the level they like. Just like anything that is for your entertainment, you enjoy it within your budget. Having a expectation that you will profit (or even get it for free) from being "entertained" is a bit over the top anyway really.

xxPriestxx said:

Mindark is in business to make money, and reading between all the lines, they have made money hand over fist for some years now. That money comes from players depositing money, and if you choose to do so you should be prepared to lose literally, all of it.

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Most businesses are out to make money. This really is not a fault to MA. But I would agree that you can lose it all if you go all in and spend way over what you can afford. But do we blame MA for this or do we expect the individual to be responsible for their own finances?

xxPriestxx said:

Something is wrong with this game today. The balance is off... .way off. So, I offer my humble opinion that you need to go in with eyes wide open and realize this for what it is.

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If you look at the picture in whole, the balance in-game is following game norms. There are periods where you have to ride out Market lows. After playing for years, you learn to recognize them and ride those out.

xxPriestxx said:

Greed.. has crushed people, families, countries and empires all throughout history. My personal opinion at the moment is that MA is falling victim to this, so I'm asking you to analyze for yourself if you as a person/individual will fall victim to this.

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I don't know.. can we ask people to be aware of their limitations and to live within them? In this day and age, is that even allowed? Or should we just keep blaming MA when you don't hit that huge HOF that will set you ped card right? Sorry, this is not a problem with MA or the game. This is an individual problem and not being able to control themselves.

xxPriestxx said:

Last thing... does anyone think it is entirely weird and something is seriously wrong if this "game" is touting "less lag!" as a main headline this far into the game? Seriously? This is basic blocking and tackling... basic housekeeping of running a business like this. If that's the best we get, why the hell are we all here? Think about it for a moment...

This thing is so broken, it's almost humorous.

Just saying...

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This is an artifact of running an environment as old as EU is. A sign that they need to do some upgrades or even a platform shift. They seem to have taken care of some of it. They continue to work on the other issues. BUT, that doesn't seem to be the issue you are discussing in this post.

I have bigger hopes that with the new CEO coming in, we may see some bigger changes in the platform. Then I've had those hopes before. But "Doom & Gloom" post such as these do nothing but make the OP feel better and scare away potential players.

Just sayin..

https://www.mindark.com/investor-relations/financial-reports/index.xml

MA is not making money "hand over fist". They actually take very little profit directly from players.

jambon said:

Additionally, the risks with EU in terms of money loss and addiction are no different than any other facebook/mobile games with micro transactions. Many people blow hundreds a month on dumb little powerups with no value. I even recall reading about one guy that spent $10,000 on hearthstone packs.

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Someone just bought a weapon skin for $61,000 USD in Counterstrike; effectively a cosmetic item that has zero value outside of those who want it because it's 'rare'.

You know, I wish I could just delete this post. Yes, frustration got the best of me. We've all seen messages like this countless times and here I am contributing to it. I'm an adult and chose to do everything I did in this game.

I still believe mostly everything I said, but it was silly to even say it.

I'm frustrated that no matter what 'level' I play (no deposit at first for a long time, small periodic deposit for a couple of years, and then finally a few mid size/large deposits) the results are still the same.

I agree with most of what everyone said, and I felt that same way for as long as I played this. I'm just kind of done with the same result over and over no matter what, or what level, or how you do something. Also... I had abzolutely zero expectation of profit. I just didn't expect a deep and continued bleeding away of PED consistently to this degree.

I don't doubt I have made mistakes and have contributed to the problem. I don't doubt it's possible to at least survive, but ---anyway. No point in hashing it out anymore.

xxPriestxx said:

You know, I wish I could just delete this post. Yes, frustration got the best of me. We've all seen messages like this countless times and here I am contributing to it. I'm an adult and chose to do everything I did in this game.

I still believe mostly everything I said, but it was silly to even say it.

I'm frustrated that no matter what 'level' I play (no deposit at first for a long time, small periodic deposit for a couple of years, and then finally a few mid size/large deposits) the results are still the same.

I agree with most of what everyone said, and I felt that same way for as long as I played this. I'm just kind of done with the same result over and over no matter what, or what level, or how you do something. Also... I had abzolutely zero expectation of profit. I just didn't expect a deep and continued bleeding away of PED consistently to this degree.

I don't doubt I have made mistakes and have contributed to the problem. I don't doubt it's possible to at least survive, but ---anyway. No point in hashing it out anymore.

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lol, well, I can surely feel your pain, and I think most of us can.
And we all break sometimes.
Thats what this bloody world does to you.
Dont worry, the forum is used to rants. we've seen those before. You're not the first and mostg certainly will not be the last.


Well, you're surely not alone.
At them moment, it doesnt matter what I click, I simply cant get above 60% for nearly 2 weeks on end now.
It's just ridiculous! Its maddening me, its frustrating me and at the moment I want to de-install this freaking game!

But, I've learned in the past 13 years that it will pass.
Now it just boils down to discipline to not let your frustration get the overhand and make you waste all you got, thinking your luck will have to change.
It can always get worse. Even if you think your loot hit rock bottom. You can always lose more.

So, until i manage to get a single run above 60%, I might start to do some serious clicking again.
But until then it's discipline not to venture out. And that's boring as hell!

Ah well, such is life in entropia.

Shit happens.

EU boredom made me even try slots and i realized why people like to play them, and felt the kick behind it.

actually it's easier to get something like a HoF playing slots than in EU, but in the very end it makes even less sense to play them. you're doomed to lose your pants over time.

it's like the dark bloody road that begins at our crafting terminals, and i don't wanna walk that path more often than absolutely necessary...

if you really care about your cash, don't gamble, simple as that ... but it's fun

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Why? Because even though no one likes to admit it, the mechanics of this thing, are similar if not identical to a casino. Yes, it is true. .

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I've never steeped inside a Casino in my life.
I do however occasionally join poker games vs other players in Poker clubs and I find it similar.

First thing you should think over, is MA really that greedy?

When I started average returns was long run was around 90%, it was comon knowledge by experienced players that MA took around 10%.
Today average returns long run often are higher than 90%, so it looks like MA takes less than 10% these days. For me it looks like they take around 5% today. Which is less than what they took in the past.
Making playing cheaper was their goal, and they actually did that.

What others here already said, its everyones own responsibillity how much he spends, speak how much he can lose and in what timeframe.

The problem is the greed of the players not the greed of MA.
People come here and think they can become rich by playing the game.
Thats wrong, you can´t become rich by playing the game. If you play the game you have to pay for your entertainment, easy as that.
If you come into EU to make money, you need to start a business. Its the same in RL, you don´t make money by playing, you make money with an business. You have to work for money and you have to invest to start a business.

There is a lot options in EU that offer a business that can make you a fair profit. Many people in EU do it.
Examples:
Full time traders, Different services, LA owners, Deed speculants, Deed investors -- those people make money from EU and some even made a living out of it.

Now have a look how I approach EU.
My average deposit over the years is around 20$ a month.
All my deposits are considered payment for entertainment. Its fairly expencive compared to subscription based games, which normally charge around 10$ a month.
May total deposits last 11 years sum up to around 3000$, which is very low compared to many others.
Looking at my Items, it tells me that my pure TT value is already more than what I have deposited, 32k PED atm skills not counted. Many items have considerable MU, although it lost a lot MU value since I bought that items.

So I am a profitable player, who deposited less than what I deposited. How is that possible?
Well my story of success:
Started as a sweater that ocationally went on hunts.
My first and so far highest loot ever 18k PED Armax Bull Guardian (long time ago), was invested into a shop (PA Mall that days).
Business was fair but not good due to maintain fee that existed back that days.
Managed to sell the PA Mall shop with a profit, and reinvested in a Sakura City shop + New Oxfort Cave shop (cheaper maintain fee + more item points).
New Oxfort Cave shop was bugged and removed, after some years MA finally decided to give me a Deer Mall Shop, which I still own today.
Sakura Shop got sold, and money invested into CLDs.
Some nice other UBER loots from crafting/mining have also been invested into CLDs, aswell.
At a later point I changed some off my CLDs into an ImpFAP to be able to offer Healer service, what worked well at the beginning. Could make more PED with the service (which also made me some skill) than I could earn from CLDs (without getting skill). That changed, it looks impossible to get 2hrs/day FAP job these days. So the ImpFAP was a fail investment for making money, but its still a very nice tool that save me money in my own playing.

Thats the story about me making profits, now lets look at my playstyle.
I am mid level skilled (well lower mid level) but thats ok for me and my budget.
I like hunting low level with small guns.
I like so called swunts (sweat and hunt) in groups.
I like joining shared events like wave spawns (regular) and some others occationally (Mulmun, Hogglo Diablo and others).
I like participating in events (occationally).
I like occationally going for bigger mobs that meet my skill level (short hunts on them)
I like crafting, mainly components (can be profitable if you have market knowledge and you know what to craft)
I like crafting items that actually can be sold, using residue to get that full TT (made a fair profit out of that aswell).

I don´t like grinding the same mob for to long, its boring.
I don´t like gambling high stakes (high mobs that cost 20 PED to kill, crafting 20+ TT input/click, amped mining)

So everyone who tells you that you need big bankroll to be successful in EU, thats not entirely true, although it helps a lot.
Its up to each one himself what he wants to invest for having fun in EU.
You should set yourself goals, to reach then you can have real fun working on that even at small deposits.

Sidenote:
I can do daily mission from pure CLD income totally free without depositing these days, but I still do my 20$ a month to support MA and EU !

Who plays this game longer knows how it works. you just have to know how much money you can give without hurting you. I have the amount x I spend a maximum of the month. the money is all and the month is not over, I can stop doing anything. only when 4 weeks are over I pay more if necessary. that's easy and if everyone is so disciplined, you have no problem.

Because now big global likes to be given to new players and I have not got more for 5 weeks. I play only dailys to which I also have an icm. So my money is longer and I have to pay less in the year. So less money from me for ma and everything is fine.

Hey man I dunno why the heck I am even writing this, but here it goes.

I am one of those whose life has been affected by gambling (arguably in my case not greed, but that is less relevant to the topic). And by "affected" I mean alot, family, friends, debts etc. Can't really say if for the worse or better, it was simply my life and this is how it went, no point in meaningless regrets (while there is some place for meaningful regrets where it matters, is normal).

It took me +-10 years to get out of it and funny enough Entropia helped me.

It is true that the mechanic is the same as a casino, judged from tt point of view, but that is precisely where it ends and beside that is where the actual game begins. As a direct game, EU is not much, there are RPGs and FPS out there who do a much better job, but the metagame is one of the most exquisite available.

It is okay to pursue gain and profit, the game counts on your greed. As long as is not so powerful as to degrade your humanity and your relations, greed is acceptable and fundamentally productive if harnassed and controlled.

If you also have an inclination for gambling, there is exclusively one way to heal it in Entropia: numbers. Once I reached that, casinos are not even tempting anymore for me, safe for the pure addiction potential, but that never accounted much anyway.

Don't let yourself be fooled: playing against players exclusively (trading or services) and not against the system is not a guarantee you will not gamble. You can still try to hoard whatnot material betting on a price increase in an unsubstantiated manner, you can still promise more than you can deliver, hoping you will manage by some miracle etc.

I would guess you are at the regular "middle-age crissis" of any avatar: somewhere between lvl40 and 50 in your chosen hunting prostanding, or close to 30 on mining or close to 20 on crafting.

Is pretty much the threshold at which the inner mechanics start to bite you in the face if not approached correctly. Gone are the days where a 2-300 global or small hof means fuel for a whole week. That is, if you try to keep the expenses up with your skill level, aproppiate guns and mobs.

The only thing which you can do is to lay down statistics for what you do and analyze them. What you must master is exactly this type of analysis which in time should become almost instinctual.

For example, if you'd hunt I don't know, let's say feffoids. Pick a maturity which is okay as hp for your gun (around 12 shots per kill) and do that for thousands of peds without changing neither your armour, neither your fap, neither your gun. Of course if you use buffs, same buff constantly, as such a ring is better than pills, to be sure is constant.

You should log your expenses as follows: armour and fap should be considered defensive costs, in your burden, while gun decay, ammo and amp decay should be considered offensive costs, in game's burden.

Your first aim should be to establish for the chosen maturity and range of hp (you will have variations, you don't have anywhere a pure spawn of say feffoid guards, but bandit to raider is give or take same league) the offensive expense needed to reach the point of +- break even. 95% to 102% or so on the whole cycle.

But be sure to only compare that to your offensive costs. When you do meet this cycle (my personal guess for the given example would be between 3k and 4k tt expense), you need to check the MU.

First you need to split between what is reasonable to expect and count on regularly (oils, hides) and what is completely accidental and will not happen again next year (ESI, if they even drop anymore on this hp).

Then, on what is reasonable to expect, you should calculate wether your MUexpenses (MU of the gun and, say, MU of some L fap) AND your defensive expenses are coverable by looted MU in a predictable manner.

This will rarely happen for mobs under +-2k hp and for those at 2k hp and higher, the prerequisites (defensive skills, placement only on taxed land, speed of killing etc) usually makes it also a dead end.

But there are opportunities on every planet and the whole point is to be hard, that much I believe is obvious.

Same is true for mining, don't count on lyst and oil hofs to make you rich, it just won't happen.

Of course, do not forget operational costs, like fuel and auction fees.

Of course hoffing is good, but don't forget few points:

- bankroll is extremely important. In the given example of feff level, at least some 3k liquid cash to begin with, just to be able to fill in an xls and check data. Only then you could extrapolate, if is even possible, how much to actually profit. As such, Entropia is the perfect place for "rich will be richer, poor will be poorer".

- if you do luck out on some fatty 4 or 5 figures, treat that as bankroll to ride coming bad waves
- whatever ped is on your pedcard, is ped on your pedcard. If you chose to sellout tomorrow, that is what matters
- whatever method or path to success you might envision, see above, it must reflect consistently on your pedcard
- be realistic about what "gifts" you can expect from the system. If you roll say 2k ped a day, the chance of a 200ish hof to be a lucky fluke which you will see in time it remains on your pedcard, is much higher than tenfolded, compared to spending 200 ped a day. I am not saying the chance to loot a 200ish global or hof, I am saying the chance to have it for keepers.
- be realistic that you need an investition for any degree of seriousness (or, 1 year of sweating and walking for fruits). If RL is not a problem, 3-400$ just for bankroll aside for a 200ish$ for beginner setup (say, a plated ghost, imp ares, some a104 and a L gun). If all what you can or want to depo is 20ish$, then see Goni's post, also need to be realistic and stick to swunting (which is fun as hell once you get the habit).

The whole point is to separate as perception the tt variation ("luck") from MU variation (will include here operational costs). What can eat your pedcard is either too low number of tries (hunting say atroxes with a pedcard of 200, something which the system DOES check or is built to pressure, however you want to call it), either negative MU trend.

See also 5$'s thread on risk of ruin, not necessarly as numbers, but as mindset, that's what matters.

Once you get into this thinking, will become obvious what is gambling in EU and what satisfaction you can have out of avoiding it.

Until you clarify what you want, what you know and what you can, stay out of shared loot, events and teamhunts. Solo is the only way to learn.

Kerham said:

Until you clarify what you want, what you know and what you can, stay out of shared loot, events and teamhunts. Solo is the only way to learn.

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Although you mention a lot valid things I don´t agree with you about the teams and shared events.

You can do that if all use same gear.
Especially in full teams its important that all have nearly same dps.
If this is not the case its very visible, as team loots can be seen in chat window.
If someone gets a lot bigger loot than all others, kick him off your team, he is using bigger gun than what you agreed to use. If you are not the teamleader, better leave the team.
It can be real fun in a team going for bigger mobs than you normally would hunt with your setup.
I like to go with relative new players using the TT guns or z12 from starter packs, with that guns and a full team, you can do 2k HP mobs in a very efficent way.
You don´t need big PED card doing that.
Example:
Going for Ambu (typical swunt team mob) with 10 people team.
Everybody using a z12 or similar weapon and using 100 PED ammo.
That sums up to 1k PED ammo for that hunt, what is the minimum you should spent in ammo if you go for them solo.

This could also work for shared events, like the daikiba wave.
It needs some social skills here to get a team together, which agree to use same dps gear to make it fair for everyone.

GoNi said:

First thing you should think over, is MA really that greedy?

When I started average returns was long run was around 90%, it was comon knowledge by experienced players that MA took around 10%.
Today average returns long run often are higher than 90%, so it looks like MA takes less than 10% these days. For me it looks like they take around 5% today. Which is less than what they took in the past.
Making playing cheaper was their goal, and they actually did that.

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Not really, to get to the point the game becomes cheaper you need to depo a lot more, which makes the game more expensive to play.

GoNi said:

Although you mention a lot valid things I don´t agree with you about the teams and shared events.

You can do that if all use same gear.
Especially in full teams its important that all have nearly same dps.
If this is not the case its very visible, as team loots can be seen in chat window.
If someone gets a lot bigger loot than all others, kick him off your team, he is using bigger gun than what you agreed to use. If you are not the teamleader, better leave the team.
It can be real fun in a team going for bigger mobs than you normally would hunt with your setup.
I like to go with relative new players using the TT guns or z12 from starter packs, with that guns and a full team, you can do 2k HP mobs in a very efficent way.
You don´t need big PED card doing that.
Example:
Going for Ambu (typical swunt team mob) with 10 people team.
Everybody using a z12 or similar weapon and using 100 PED ammo.
That sums up to 1k PED ammo for that hunt, what is the minimum you should spent in ammo if you go for them solo.

This could also work for shared events, like the daikiba wave.
It needs some social skills here to get a team together, which agree to use same dps gear to make it fair for everyone.

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Sadly it doesn't work exactly like that. I was hunting warriors gen 3-5 with my friend. We used exactly same weapons, amps, even armor and plates. After killing around 1000 I end up getting 100ped more than him - we had to rebalance. Loot sharing is distorted by high tt items or even rare stackables with 0.50tt or more. It only works on punies when all stackables is 0.01tt and no items. Bigger mobs do not work like that - loot will be imbalanced even with exactly same dps. It's just a matter who's lucky enough to do more dmg when it counts the most: global or hof. So in order to hunt in teams you need to really trust the guys - so they will rebalance and do not disappear with ESI if it drops

xxPriestxx said:

And before you flame this post, I ask you to reflect over the last year or more that you've been playing and give some thought to how much actual real world money you have placed into this, and tell me I'm wrong.

Before you preach about skills, eco, methods, 90% TT value, etc. Look at just two numbers for me - how much you've put in, and how much you have now.

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In my case, you are wrong. I got my 2 kids an 11k euro study fund and I bought this car with money I withdrew from the game.



Ofcourse I play safe, I play with money that deeds bring and when I profit I buy more deeds. And yes I put a lot of money in the game over the years. Some of it is gone forever, but I did have fun for 14 years. This game is like no other game. If I had any other game I would not have the study fund or have the ability to electrically open my sunroof in my car.
If you play smart and not play it like you are in a casino, then you can earn some nice income.

My method of playing is as simply as effective.
When do I profit? -> I profit if I have enough multipliers. A run without multipliers is a run with loss. So my goal since 2008 has been to get the multipliers, and preferably only the multipliers.

Spawn said:

In my case, you are wrong. I got my 2 kids an 11k euro study fund and I bought this car with money I withdrew from the game.

Ofcourse I play safe, I play with money that deeds bring and when I profit I buy more deeds. And yes I put a lot of money in the game over the years. Some of it is gone forever, but I did have fun for 14 years. This game is like no other game. If I had any other game I would not have the study fund or have the ability to electrically open my sunroof in my car.
If you play smart and not play it like you are in a casino, then you can earn some nice income.

My method of playing is as simply as effective.
When do I profit? -> I profit if I have enough multipliers. A run without multipliers is a run with loss. So my goal since 2008 has been to get the multipliers, and preferably only the multipliers.

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what he said.

Spawn said:

My method of playing is as simply as effective.
When do I profit? -> I profit if I have enough multipliers. A run without multipliers is a run with loss. So my goal since 2008 has been to get the multipliers, and preferably only the multipliers.

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lol, makes me wonder if you get the same multipliers as i do, mainly times 10 or 15, just nowhere near big enough to get profit...

It's just down to luck, if you're unlucky and mainly get times 10 or 15 with occassionally times 30 or 50, but never 100 or higher, then you can forget about profiting...

As it stands i do currently need a times 1500 to times 7000 multiplier, depending on craft, to get to good return (97%)....

btw, i need 92% return for profit but MA won't even give me that much D:

A new world.

What we need is a new universe, and believe it or not, an improved version if not perfected version of entropia, however that being said, know that I've offered MindArk to hire me, and they declined to that.

Sincerely: Freelanced Gaming Agent/Analyzer, The Nocturnal Navigator.
PS: don't believe in spawn, he is just a disturbed minion of Lucifers. The devil.

Some good responses in this thread, Not sure if I've really anything of value to contribute to it...

What I like about Entropia is that it's okay to make money in Entropia and you can withdraw your money. Most MMORPGs today ban this, for example you can't sell your WoW or Eve Online toon or gold or ISK, you will get banned if you are caught. This means you can spend years playing a game only to have absolutely nothing in value at the end that remains, just pure entertainment. Not in Entropia, what you acquire is yours, you can sell it for whatever value it is perceived to have, including your skills, and then you can withdraw the money.

Of course most people that will join up and decide to play Entropia go for the hunting, that is classic gaming and the go-to activity for most people. I did a lot of sweating at first and then hunting. Tried mining a bit, I actually thought that if I worked really hard, made myself a grid and kept track of coordinates to mine for maximum coverage and minimal overlap, I might realize a profit, but discovered quite quickly that it does not work that way lol.

So like you, after a while, I felt like the game was rigged and that it was not possible to make a profit or break even. I decided to change my approach. I invested an amount that up until that point would have been considered insane, I depo'ed 11k usd and bought 100 CLDs. Now I knew I was going to make money! And of course I did. I actually got really busy at that time with work and life and played very little. Came back to the game many years later and had over 70k ped just sitting there.

I have not, to this day, ever made a withdrawal. I re-invested all those peds into the game, I bought a Land Plot and shops and am having a lot of fun with those shops these days. I enjoy the hustling of goods, especially armor, across the EU universe and providing people on different worlds with items they need and are grateful for. I source Arkadia armors from crafters and hunters on Ark for example and make them available on Monria and RT. Sure I could sell them a lot quicker on the Caly auction but that's no fun. I want to make a contribution to the game and I feel that making rare things available for people at a fair price is a great contribution.

For example in the picture below you see one of my shops. None of these pets are easy to get. Some of them are quite frankly, extremely difficult for people to get like the Pygmy Kong or Sacred Kong, or even the K-3. These spawn rarely and require some skills to tame. I could spam #calytrade and other such channels to try to sell these quickly and just pocket my profits and move on but that's not what it's about for me. They could sit there for months, I don't really care. You can buy full armor sets at my shops that are just not available anywhere, they are not available on the auction or in any other shops, I've checked. Full set of Holy for example, or Moonshine...



So this is where I get my enjoyment and entertainment from these days, I enjoy it quite a bit. Obviously not everyone can do this or there wouldn't be anybody left to actually use the items. But I'm using myself as an example only. What I really did, what changed is, I decided I would experience the game on a much deeper level, be patient about things, and just try to create or build something that I could be proud of.

There's a lot of areas that a player can create in, there's a lot of freedom built into the game for creating things. For example a player could build a great society, or just focus on making connections and friends in the game and organize fair and enjoyable team hunts for people once or twice a week. There are a lot of areas one can get into if they just are patient and decide to experience the game on a deeper level, i.e. get to know the other people in the game and discover what they like to do in the game and collaborate with them.

To me the game has become a lot more about the social interactions now then the act of 'gaming', and maybe that's also a symptom of my 'growing up' but I think I've found a good balance between the 'costs' of playing Entropia, and what 'gains' I get out of it. And that sir, is really all that it's about.

So pretty much it mimicks real life.

When you have money to invest you do fine(buying cars with the profit..lol)
But the average casual gamer shouldn't play this game,way to expensive,time consuming and outdated.

My 2 cents.

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So pretty much it mimicks real life.

When you have money to invest you do fine(buying cars with the profit..lol)
But the average casual gamer shouldn't play this game,way to expensive,time consuming and outdated.

My 2 cents.

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In my case I deposit 400 ped monthly and 600 ped goes to loot boxes. And each week when I fill the tank with gas I buy 10 euros worth of paysafecard. the 400 ped + 4x100 ped goes to ark deeds and 600 ped is UA + whatever else I open in a box. If I profit I buy additonal ark deeds. Sometimes I convert some ark deeds to one CLD.
So basically 600 ped is entertainment money. 800 ped is investment money. I don't go out clubbing/pubbing because I am 48 years old. I also don't smoke. When I am down on peds, I am allowed to cycle income from deeds once, and then stack it up in inventory. Items go to my shop, big stacks go to the auction, I buy deeds from auction+shop income.
I also participate in GPT programs like payed intervies/reviews etc and that income also goes to deeds.
That's how my investments go. I don't think it's over the top or extreme. I have done it like this for years and it works for me.
And sometimes I withdraw when I want something in real life..

this is my pattern of the last 12 months:

This view lists Withdrawals and Deposits made into and from your PED Card within the last 12 months.

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Date State Provider Amount (PED)
29 Jan 2018 18:01 Committed Dibs Deposit 600.00
29 Jan 2018 17:56 Committed Paynova Deposit 523.00
12 Jan 2018 18:12 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 109.20
11 Jan 2018 19:09 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 108.10
11 Jan 2018 19:08 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 108.10
28 Dec 2017 03:19 Committed Paynova Deposit 776.60
27 Dec 2017 11:54 Committed Dibs Deposit 600.00
18 Dec 2017 23:10 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 106.10
17 Dec 2017 15:52 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 106.20
17 Dec 2017 15:52 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 106.20
09 Dec 2017 21:41 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 105.60
04 Dec 2017 21:30 Committed Dibs Deposit 700.00
28 Nov 2017 02:13 Committed Paynova Deposit 424.60
26 Nov 2017 16:08 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 106.80
28 Oct 2017 14:30 Committed Paynova Deposit 490.30
28 Oct 2017 14:27 Committed Dibs Deposit 600.00
20 Oct 2017 13:59 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 106.50
02 Oct 2017 21:53 Committed Bank Withdrawal -11500.00
01 Oct 2017 17:16 Committed Paynova Deposit 374.10
28 Sep 2017 22:48 Committed Dibs Deposit 600.00
20 Sep 2017 20:58 Committed Bank Withdrawal -13000.00
18 Sep 2017 12:48 Committed Bank Withdrawal -13000.00
11 Sep 2017 22:10 Committed Bank Withdrawal -13000.00
04 Sep 2017 20:47 Committed Bank Withdrawal -13000.00
28 Aug 2017 18:06 Committed Paynova Deposit 435.10
24 Aug 2017 19:35 Committed Dibs Deposit 450.00
05 Aug 2017 03:54 Committed Bank Withdrawal -13000.00
03 Aug 2017 18:58 Committed Dibs Deposit 400.00
27 Jul 2017 22:37 Committed Paynova Deposit 348.10
17 Jul 2017 12:45 Committed Dibs Deposit 450.00
16 Jul 2017 00:25 Committed Paynova Deposit 416.50
19 Jun 2017 14:55 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 100.70
19 Jun 2017 14:55 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 100.70
01 Jun 2017 22:09 Committed Paynova Deposit 344.70
01 Jun 2017 22:03 Committed Dibs Deposit 500.00
15 May 2017 18:07 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 98.70
06 May 2017 15:11 Committed Bank Withdrawal -22000.00
04 May 2017 18:54 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 98.30
29 Apr 2017 16:05 Committed Dibs Deposit 550.00
27 Apr 2017 19:32 Committed Paynova Deposit 323.90
17 Apr 2017 19:38 Committed Paynova Deposit 408.20
04 Apr 2017 22:12 Committed Dibs Deposit 1050.00
29 Mar 2017 18:25 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 96.70
27 Mar 2017 13:06 Committed Dibs Deposit 400.00
20 Mar 2017 19:45 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 96.70
13 Mar 2017 17:29 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 95.90
09 Mar 2017 20:30 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 94.90
27 Feb 2017 19:23 Committed Paynova Deposit 345.60
25 Feb 2017 16:43 Committed Dibs Deposit 550.00
20 Feb 2017 19:31 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 95.50
11 Feb 2017 23:54 Committed Paysafecard Deposit 95.60
05 Feb 2017 01:26 Committed Paynova Deposit 515.60

I see about $8,500 usd withdrawn in 2017... very nice spawn

Thanks for proving my point

If you came in early hoarded a sjit load of cld's at 1k it was i believe..sat on them for a decade reinvested the income in AUD's and/or more CLD's you're good(avoided the compets).
Then play like on saturday night when the kids are in bed for 2 or 3 hours.
Sure you will get that car and college fund too....

Noobs like myself are a bit late for that ,depositing 50 usd a month and after a 2hour kerb hunt..its gone.
Multiplers...like a 90 ped kerb..not too often more like an 11 ped kerb
Should i have bought 5 AUD's with 10 pec a day return..meh
Too bad we cannot see the whole picture here,but that is understandable with a double agenda because someone gotta hunt to prop up those ROI's on CLD's right?
To each his/her own..i wish you lots of luck with more withdrawls my friend.

The casual gamer