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what's bad with crafting??

messi91 said:
You can't technically unless you beat the guy who roll the dice and you steal one of them and you only roll 1 dice.
What that has to do with the game we are all playing? I don't see any similarities.
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What this has to do with the game we're playing, are you serious?
When you hit the "construct" button the loot-server rolls a "dice" for you and the result is shown in the result tab at the crafting terminal...

With that said, whenever you claim it's possible to influence the outcome, does that mean you're hacking into the loot-server every now and then to assure you get good results?
 
Alukat123 said:
What this has to do with the game we're playing, are you serious?
When you hit the "construct" button the loot-server rolls a "dice" for you and the result is shown in the result tab at the crafting terminal...

With that said, whenever you claim it's possible to influence the outcome, does that mean you're hacking into the loot-server every now and then to assure you get good results?
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Well its not my problem you see the game as a slot machine or a dice game.
You can influence the outcome by playing smart.Not doing the same stupid shit and expect different result.You are the only one who decide what to do click when to click and how many times you click with the money you have.
Not going into the same shit I explained in my previous threads, I already concluded you are a dead end material.
 
messi91 said:
Well its not my problem you see the game as a slot machine or a dice game.
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I see the game as a dice game, because that explains best why we obviously get such vastly different results.
Do you really think MA would sit down and code a different result string for every single person?
 
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messi91 said:
I'm a huge fan of dr Peterson and I have probably seen all vids I could grab my hands on.
Very often in his speech he talk and point out the usual among many others ofc: Take responsibility and competence, (gender equality but not our case etc).I suggest you should see more videos and compile it for your yourself and then act accordingly on forums.
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Youre very hostile and condecending arent you? Think you can also just shove the "ego" aside and be real with us here? Im not looking for a fight, neither should you. Im not falling for the premise that messi, sits on a huge throne here and judging and condemning people on this forum, because messi is so damn perfect and divine. I refuse to, what are you going to do about it?
 
Alukat123 said:
I see the game as a dice game, because that explains best why we obviously get such vastly different results.
Do you really think MA would sit-down and code a different result string for every single person?
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MA coded the system for each profession ingame based on their standards and have a clear rigid approach to it.
Avatars interact with such system in a different way everytime and they are all different by their nature in terms of biorhythm.
If we both start a new avatar and do the same thing we will have different results in a short term (hence the term game is dynamic) but on a very long term doing the same thing will bring us to the same result.
Please review PCF posts from 2008-2013.
I did read as many posts I could from that period when I was noob.
 
messi91 said:
MA coded the system for each profession ingame based on their standards and have a clear rigid approach to it.
Avatars interact with such system in a different way everytime and they are all different by their nature in terms of biorhythm.
If we both start a new avatar and do the same thing we will have different results in a short term (hence the term game is dynamic) but on a very long term doing the same thing will bring us to the same result.
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Very long term, like infinite amount of clicks, right? Don't you see an issue with it taking an infinite amount of clicks to get the same results? That's what this thread is about, it's taking too fucking long to get to the expected value, if you get there at all and that results are usually pretty bad.
 
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Alukat123 said:
Very long term, like infinite amount of clicks, right? Don't you see an issue with it taking an infinite amount of clicks to get the same results? That's what this thread is about, it's taking too fucking long to get to the expected value, if you get there at all.
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I don't understand your definition of fucking long.Besides that if you are not ready to wait why do you expect positive outcome?Do you feel like the game is owning you anything?Why do you keep expecting the game to turn over to your expectation and match them.Why can't you just do the opposite.
So in a way you are not saying the expected value is unable to reach , you kinda agree to it but you now just find it too hard to get (time wise)
How do you know if when you get there the results are bad? Its not like you are any closer to that level.
Using your tools you can access and your budget you realize you have no edge over other players and now you blame the system not being fair to you.
So you have all sorts of insecurities, bad information (from various channels or wrong people) , high expectation vs low input, bankroll management issues, inpatient, wrong approach or casino assertions to the loot mechanics and the list can go on.
 
messi91 said:
So in a way you are not saying the expected value is unable to reach , you kinda agree to it but you now just find it too hard to get (time wise)
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after half a million click i'm still moving further away from 95% return instead of moving closer... the law of large numbers however states the more you click, the closer you get to what it is supposed be. So after a large number of clicks still moving closer towards 90% instead of 95%, i'd go with, currently 95% is not set as what it's supposed to be...

Btw, no amount of you trolling here in the forum, is gonna change that more and more crafters are stoping to play or shutting down several crafts, because of the bad state the crafting is in.
 
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Alukat123 said:
after half a million click i'm still moving further away from 95% return instead of moving closer... the law of large numbers however states the more you click, the closer you get to what it is supposed be. So after a large number of clicks still moving closer towards 90% instead of 95%, i'd go with, currently 95% is not set as what it's supposed to be...

Btw, no amount of you trolling here in the forum, is gonna change that more and more crafters are stoping to play, because of the bad state the crafting is in.
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Not even bother to change you or any other loser that fail basic fundamentals.History shows me that over the course of years many like you decided to quit and those who stay and fought ,believe and invested stood against all changes.

I only write on a hope for people that a new to the game or people that did not even register to understand that being on profit or being successful is not a myth but its extremely hard to achieve and for some to profit many others will lose.We all can choose which side we like most, consequences applies ofc.
 
messi91 said:
Not even bother to change you or any other loser that fail basic fundamentals.History shows me that over the course of years many like you decided to quit and those who stay and fought ,believe and invested stood against all changes.

I only write on a hope for people that a new to the game or people that did not even register to understand that being on profit or being successful is not a myth but its extremely hard to achieve and for some to profit many others will lose.We all can choose which side we like most, consequences applies ofc.
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I'm running decent profit, so why should i listen to a crafting noob like you are? Once i want to know something about hunting, i'll ask you, i promise...

Since you still didn't get it, this thread about the way crafting plays out... not wether you profit or lose with MU...
 
Alukat123 said:
I'm running decent profit, so why should i listen to a crafting noob like you are? Once i want to know something about hunting, i'll ask you, i promise...

Since you still didn't get it, this thread about the way crafting plays out... not wether you profit or lose with MU...
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You don't.Again the message is not for you.Don't take it personal and move on.
 
messi91 said:
You don't.Again the message is not for you.Don't take it personal and move on.
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You call being on profit extremely hard to achieve, i achieved that quite easily... they better don't listen to you, otherwise they may make their lifes harder than necessary...
 
messi91 said:
Not even bother to change you or any other loser that fail basic fundamentals.History shows me that over the course of years many like you decided to quit and those who stay and fought ,believe and invested stood against all changes.

I only write on a hope for people that a new to the game or people that did not even register to understand that being on profit or being successful is not a myth but its extremely hard to achieve and for some to profit many others will lose.We all can choose which side we like most, consequences applies ofc.
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Alukat123 said:
You call being on profit extremely hard to achieve, i achieved that quite easily... they better don't listen to you, otherwise they may make their lifes harder than necessary...
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So... If you achieved profit quite easily, then why the hell are you complaining that the system is broken cause it doesn't give enough returns?

If apparently you achieve profit quite easily, then crafting should be made harder, and return rates should be lowered.


But I bet you won't agree on this, which pretty much will prove to me that you did not get that profit like you claim.
Sorry, but I'm siding with Messi here...
 
Rampsy said:
So... If you achieved profit quite easily, then why the hell are you complaining that the system is broken cause it doesn't give enough returns?

If apparently you achieve profit quite easily, then crafting should be made harder, and return rates should be lowered.
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It's because it's shit return for 8+ months in a row, do you not consider that broken?
I only get the profit, because I'm good at reading the market... if i wouldn't be good at that, then i would have left EU more than a year ago, just because all there would be would be shit returns and unsatisfying gameplay...
That's all EU is atm, unsatisfying gameplay and shit-returns 95+% of the time... that needs to change...
If the returns would be lowered even more, i can assure you I would never touch the terminal again, just sell & withdraw and on-top tell everyone to stay away from this cash-grab game...
 
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Alukat123 said:
It's because it's shit return for 8+ months in a row, do you not consider that broken?
I only get the profit, because I'm good at reading the market... if i wouldn't be good at that, then i would have left EU more than a year ago, just because all there would be would be shit returns and unsatisfying gameplay...
That's all EU is atm, unsatisfying gameplay and shit-returns 95+% of the time... that needs to change...
If the returns would be lowered even more, i can assure you I would never touch the terminal again, just sell & withdraw and on-top tell everyone to stay away from this cash-grab game...
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You cant compare this with real life. If I had a shop and setup like this in real life, I would be set for life and have purpose to live for.
 
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Alukat123 said:
I did not, i was entirely talking about EU.
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Ok my bad. Did not realize. We are being flim-flamd. :)

This what I know.

I dont like to do EP4 manufcturing runs on planet Arkadia. Massive nerf, different server.

But on Calypso, thats a entirelly different story altogether. Terrible for me, because my Manufacturing HQ is Arkadia and its my all-recources hoarde site. Needless to say, I visit Caly for EP4 runs, and smuggle the res with a mule and a starship.

1. 5000 PEDs Min , to even contemplate a serious manufacturing run on EP4s.
2. Skill lvl 50 Explosives Projectiles.
3. 100% BPQR
4. The nerves, patience and willingness to lose it with the bar slid all the way to the right :)

WARNING! You HOF/s may NOT be a reflection of you winnings or , more comming out, than what went in. Global alerts are only there to make others think you are a winner.

Have a nice day :)
 
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Spacejanitor said:
Ok my bad. Did not realize. We are being flim-flamd. :)

This what I know.

I dont like to do EP4 manufcturing runs on planet Arkadia. Massive nerf, different server.

But on Calypso, thats a entirelly different story altogether. Terrible for me, because my Manufacturing HQ is Arkadia and its my all-recources hoarde site. Needless to say, I visit Caly for EP4 runs, and smuggle the res with a mule and a starship.

1. 5000 PEDs Min , to even contemplate a serious manufacturing run on EP4s.
2. Skill lvl 50 Explosives Projectiles.
3. 100% BPQR
4. The nerves, patience and willingness to lose it with the bar slid all the way to the right :)

WARNING! You HOF/s may NOT be a reflection of you winnings or , more comming out, than what went in. Global alerts are only there to make others think you are a winner.

Have a nice day :)
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EP4 crafter claiming crafting is broken :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You definitely understand the game Spacejanitor :yup:
 
Tiny Lord said:
EP4 crafter claiming crafting is broken :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You definitely understand the game Spacejanitor :yup:
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So in your opinion:
Someone sees crafting is broken, but wants to do some more testing for confirmation, in your opinion that person should do that crafting with high MU materials, where he's going to lose a lot of money, rather than using MU-less materials where the potential losses are rather small? :confused:
 
Alukat123 said:
So in your opinion:
Someone sees crafting is broken, but wants to do some more testing for confirmation, in your opinion that person should do that crafting with high MU materials, where he's going to lose a lot of money, rather than using MU-less materials where the potential losses are rather small? :confused:
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You're either a fool or never heard of the tracker. Look at his crafting history. Would you call that "testing"?

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
Tiny Lord said:
You're either a fool or never heard of the tracker. Look at his crafting history. Would you call that "testing"?
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Tracker is meaningless. it only shows the crafts one globals on. Would be good if that tracker-shit would be finally shut down, so people like you no longer get fooled...
 
Alukat123 said:
Tracker is meaningless. it only shows the crafts one globals on. Would be good if that tracker-shit would be finally shut down, so people like you no longer get fooled...
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It CLEARLY shows that he's hard spamming EP4. Doesnt matter if he's clicking Basic Filters inbetween.
 
Tiny Lord said:
It CLEARLY shows that he's hard spamming EP4. Doesnt matter if he's clicking Basic Filters inbetween.
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300-500 clicks EP4 today, you have an odd definition of spamming EP4....
 
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Tiny Lord said:
EP4 crafter claiming crafting is broken :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You definitely understand the game Spacejanitor :yup:
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I dont like your attatude and arrogance. But you see the Global alerts and think wauw that guy just scored a 5k HOF. But you remain clueless about the fact that it takes 15 -20 K peds for a stupid 5K HOF. Those global alerts serve to bullshit noobs to depo and waste.

Right now, I have the parking breaks on. No depos and no activities. Why? 14 years it is well known that when you express anything "negative" regarding the game-host or complain about loots, on this forum or via support cases, immedieatelly ingame, your loots go from bad, to worse. This seems to keep happening. A modus operandi that will probably never die. Good sign to stop with immediate effect when it happens.

I really dont care about the likes of you trying to make the likes of me look stupid on this forum. Its still my own money spent and not yours.
 
Tiny Lord said:
It CLEARLY shows that he's hard spamming EP4. Doesnt matter if he's clicking Basic Filters inbetween.
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And where is the problem with that.

HE IS ACTUALLY CRAFTING, many of those supper experienced wanna be crafters never clicked anything above 10 pec / click.

I have tried 30+ PED/click crafts, and yes its a damn gamble and even UBERs are meaningless, as you simply need a lot of it to just break even vs TT, not to mention recovering the MU you paid for resources when gambling with attachment BPs that are artifically producing just TT food and residue.

Clicking EP4 is definately a better way as you dont have to pay initial MU, and Space does it alot, so he has fairly much experience and knows what he is talking about.

Cant agree more, when he say globals are meaningless.

Same goes for amped mining and high end mobs, you can hit really much globals and even HoFs and UBERs and still have a huge loss at the end.
 
GoNi said:
And where is the problem with that.

HE IS ACTUALLY CRAFTING, many of those supper experienced wanna be crafters never clicked anything above 10 pec / click.

I have tried 30+ PED/click crafts, and yes its a damn gamble and even UBERs are meaningless, as you simply need a lot of it to just break even vs TT, not to mention recovering the MU you paid for resources when gambling with attachment BPs that are artifically producing just TT food and residue.

Clicking EP4 is definately a better way as you dont have to pay initial MU, and Space does it alot, so he has fairly much experience and knows what he is talking about.

Cant agree more, when he say globals are meaningless.

Same goes for amped mining and high end mobs, you can hit really much globals and even HoFs and UBERs and still have a huge loss at the end.
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I always repeat to myself not to post again but when stupidity is spread I must come and punch them right in the jaw.
When you compare EP4 to uber hunt you are wrong at so many levels that I don't even know how to start bashing you.In my mind there's always the picture from American History X.
Ep4 is tt in tt out simply put , auto loss 100% guaranteed doesn't matter how much you turnover and if you hit ath or anything else.lets just say you have a tag in your forehead saying loser when you keep clicking it.

When you do uber hunt there are so many aspects (I understand by uber hunt like act like one and hunt big mob)

Are you ultimate trash using bad tools hunting uber with low budget for short period?
Are you ultimate trash using good tools hunting uber with low budget for short period?
Are you ultimate trash using bad tools hunting uber with very big budget for short period?
Are you ultimate trash using bad tools hunting uber with low budget for long period?
Are you ultimate trash using good tools hunting uber with very big budget for short period?
Are you ultimate trash using good tools hunting uber with low budget for long period?
Are you ultimate trash using bad tools hunting uber with very big budget for long period?
Are you ultimate trash using good tools hunting uber with big budget budget for long period?


Are you medium player using bad tools hunting uber with low budget for short period?
Are you medium player using good tools hunting uber with low budget for short period?
Are you medium player using bad tools hunting uber with very big budget for short period?
Are you medium player using bad tools hunting uber with low budget for long period?
Are you medium player using good tools hunting uber with very big budget for short period?
Are you medium player using good tools hunting uber with low budget for long period?
Are you medium player using bad tools hunting uber with very big budget for long period?
Are you medium player using good tools hunting uber with big budget budget for long period?


Are you uber using bad tools hunting uber with low budget for short period?
Are you uber using good tools hunting uber with low budget for short period?
Are you uber using bad tools hunting uber with very big budget for short period?
Are you uber using bad tools hunting uber with low budget for long period?
Are you uber using good tools hunting uber with very big budget for short period?
Are you uber using good tools hunting uber with low budget for long period?
Are you uber using bad tools hunting uber with very big budget for long period?
Are you uber using good tools hunting uber with big budget budget for long period?

I've used just 3 variables just so you can get a small hint in a hope it will prevent you from posting stupid shit again.We got rid of rick and now we have their minions posting here.
 
messi91 said:
I always repeat to myself not to post again but when stupidity is spread I must come and punch them right in the jaw.

When you compare EP4 to uber hunt you are wrong at so many levels that I don't even know how to start bashing you.
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Is there a better way? Is this really your only option?


Ep4 is tt in tt out simply put , auto loss 100% guaranteed doesn't matter how much you turnover and if you hit ath or anything else.lets just say you have a tag in your forehead saying loser when you keep clicking it.
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Yes, I have to agree with this. Makes absolute sense.



Are you ultimate trash
Are you ultimate trash
Are you ultimate trash
Are you ultimate trash
Are you ultimate trash
Are you ultimate trash
Are you ultimate trash
Are you ultimate trash
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"Trash" huh? I will see this as an efford to bring some "Impact" to what you are trying to convey.



I've used just 3 variables just so you can get a small hint in a hope it will prevent you from posting stupid shit again.We got rid of rick and now we have their minions posting here.
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Wow! Are you just evil, taurettes or what? I dont get how insulting persons is in any way constructive or even helpfull. I doubt you behave the same with a real person directlly in front of you. Can we at least try and do some efford in being somewhat professional with each other? Please? I personally think that some kindness, friendlyness and good mannerism can go a very long way. Afterall we all here, are in it together. We are not competing here who is the best damn Entropian gamer. But good tips are nice to share :)

We are one huge group of space collonists, dumped into the shit end of our Galaxy to survive and make it work by the company, whom most of us are not so very fond of. Make do or die situation.

Together we stand, devided we fall.
 
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