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Summer Mayhem Postponed Due To Technical Issues

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don't forget to go on holidays this time MA - got to stick with the formula
 
I think it would be a show of good faith if MA put the pills and other L items that we used for the event back into our inventories.

Things really need to be tested before it goes live. Seems like every event gets messed up when simple testing could of avoided most of the problems.

Some of the blame is on all of us of course.... we know that something is probably going to be messed up, and yet we all go shooting on blind faith that it wont. We should know better by now I guess uggh lol
 
RavenJade said:
I think it would be a show of good faith if MA put the pills and other L items that we used for the event back into our inventories.

Things really need to be tested before it goes live. Seems like every event gets messed up when simple testing could of avoided most of the problems.

Some of the blame is on all of us of course.... we know that something is probably going to be messed up, and yet we all go shooting on blind faith that it wont. We should know better by now I guess uggh lol
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I agree with everything besides the blame going to us. As their customers, we should be given the product we were advertised.
 
Slyk said:
I agree with everything besides the blame going to us. As their customers, we should be given the product we were advertised.
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LOL that's the problem this game ISN'T advertised OOOOOooooOOOO

Serious note: Thanks to Star and others for reporting this. I'm sorry for those who put their efforts into the event and will have it wiped - I would expect no compensation at all, just my experience. I would't participate once they restart it either. I don't know if MA looks at numbers of participants or what not , but us choosing to not take part in their broken events might draw attention.

Problem with MA, they do the same thing over and over and over and never make a change. Their customer service is almost worse than a TV cable company - at least MA doesn't try and act like they even have one.

I don't know what else to say, last event scores got adjusted, this once scores get reset.
 
Well, compensation for those that have blown though costly limited items and pills they were saving for this event would seem the fair thing to do.

But I doubt it will happen because there's no way for them to fairly track it. I mean you killed a bunch of things, spend peds and got loots in return. Maybe you got some globals, maybe you got a HoF, maybe a bunch of boxes, skills...etc.

If they were to return all the L items, pills and ammo you used, you should be required to return all the loots and skills you got in return for those kills, no? What if you're already spent said peds or recycled shrapnel multiple times - how will things be handled then?

Not sure what these technical issues were but I think a better solution would have been to leave the existing times and scores alone rather than reset them. Do an audit and punish only those that were using an exploit knowingly. Why do the many need to suffer for the crimes of the few?

Either way, this is going to be marked as yet another scandal that will probably be the last straw for more older players walking away from the game. But more noobies will come in behind them with dreams of profit - and thus the circle of life continues.

Bottom line, at this point we know how Mindark does shit and it's not likely for them to change. If you don't like it but stick around anyways and keep paying - who's the bigger fool?

https://youtu.be/IM5RwW3NnjU?t=1m30s
 
jambon said:
Well, compensation for those that have blown though costly limited items and pills they were saving for this event would seem the fair thing to do.

But I doubt it will happen because there's no way for them to fairly track it. I mean you killed a bunch of things, spend peds and got loots in return. Maybe you got some globals, maybe you got a HoF, maybe a bunch of boxes, skills...etc.

If they were to return all the L items, pills and ammo you used, you should be required to return all the loots and skills you got in return for those kills, no? What if you're already spent said peds or recycled shrapnel multiple times - how will things be handled then?

Not sure what these technical issues were but I think a better solution would have been to leave the existing times and scores alone rather than reset them. Do an audit and punish only those that were using an exploit knowingly. Why do the many need to suffer for the crimes of the few?

Either way, this is going to be marked as yet another scandal that will probably be the last straw for more older players walking away from the game. But more noobies will come in behind them with dreams of profit - and thus the circle of life continues.

Bottom line, at this point we know how Mindark does shit and it's not likely for them to change. If you don't like it but stick around anyways and keep paying - who's the bigger fool?

https://youtu.be/IM5RwW3NnjU?t=1m30s
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Loot is based on cost and nothing more. They can gladly take the 1ped TT value of the pills I used from my card and give them back. Those pills in no way effected the amount of loot obtained. L items? Same thing, TT burned can be added back from ped card if available, that was TT in and TT out.

The bigger issue for me is, I'm level 84. I can only hunt 23 more hours with a laser rifle before I am no longer allowed to compete in cat07. I stopped shooting 8 days ago because of this. We can add another 5 days now. Others get to farm practice mode for more boxes and tokens and the ones who are serious about competing at the tip of their cat are screwed.
 
Slyk said:
Loot is based on cost and nothing more. They can gladly take the 1ped TT value of the pills I used from my card and give them back. Those pills in no way effected the amount of loot obtained. L items? Same thing, TT burned can be added back from ped card if available, that was TT in and TT out.

The bigger issue for me is, I'm level 84. I can only hunt 23 more hours with a laser rifle before I am no longer allowed to compete in cat07. I stopped shooting 8 days ago because of this. We can add another 5 days now. Others get to farm practice mode for more boxes and tokens and the ones who are serious about competing at the tip of their cat are screwed.
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I see - so you work for Mindark and know exactly how everything works. Sorry, I didn't realize. :laugh:

Pills are one thing - they could probably be returned. Though they did state that with loot 2.0 buffs would be taken into account for loots. L guns and armor decay on the other hand factor into loot value and as such I think there's a little more to the impact of just refunding you and others and just putting money on your ped card in terms of how peds are flowed. IE your losses during this time help paid for someone's HoF - so refunding you and others has more consequences than just face value.

Are you actually suggesting they just wipe the records for everyone's loot and roll back the entire economy and everyone's ped balances a few days? Or are you suggesting that MA just refunds you and others but eats it for all payouts for globals and HoFs during this time that were funded by mayhem losses? Cause I know they aren't going to do either especially after posting a nice drop in profits for this past fiscal year.

I think my point still stands - compensation is a nice idea but unfeasible. Trying to audit and punish exploiters is a better approach rather than a reset. Coming up with a better idea than the profession limits on Categories is definitely needed.

And finally I refer you to the last thing I said:
Bottom line, at this point we know how Mindark does shit and it's not likely for them to change. If you don't like it but stick around anyways and keep paying - who's the bigger fool?

https://youtu.be/IM5RwW3NnjU?t=1m30s

Shit happens - but that's Entropia for ya. it's still better than the casino LOL

My condolences for your and everyone else's peds that were lost during this issue.
 
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Yes, it's frustrating that we wasted some rare and expensive gear, guns, pills, and plates, but this needed to happen. MindArk stated that they did conduct tests and these glitches only occurred in the actual release (in other words, they weren't able to test the effects of hundreds of avatars simultaneously using the instance), so while I may question their methods it does appear they at least made an effort.
Personally I much prefer this to just letting the exploits ride, and giving my best effort just to lose to some exploiters. :twocents:
 
RavenJade said:
I think it would be a show of good faith if MA put the pills and other L items that we used for the event back into our inventories.
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So you think that would be fair?
Already took advantage of it, higher DPS, skillgains and whatever buffs you got from it, and then you want it to use it again for free? As compensation for what, a few event points?

No thats not fair.
 
GoNi said:
So you think that would be fair?
Already took advantage of it, higher DPS, skillgains and whatever buffs you got from it, and then you want it to use it again for free? As compensation for what, a few event points?

No thats not fair.
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Let me guess, you didn't compete yet?

No need to reply, checked you EL profile. I'd say you can just exit this conversation with that information noted.
 
While I do understand people’s frustration with using up L items and pills, nothing would have been more frustrating than to lose the event anyways due to exploits and cheaters.

I hope that MA provides clear communication to the community and this doesn’t happen again. I am happy that they are taking action and trying to improve the gameplay. Ultimately, I feel that is what matters here.
 
Slyk said:
Let me guess, you didn't compete yet?

No need to reply, checked you EL profile. I'd say you can just exit this conversation with that information noted.
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So because I do not participate in such events, and do play a different style than you, I have no rights to express my opinon?

Freedom of speech, ever heared that?
 
I personally don't think its unfair to return the buffs to those who have wasted them during the period. Whether they do it or not depends on the time/effort required to get it done, however i do think from a player perspective that is the ethical thing to do.

A lot of effort goes into participating in these events and they all come at a cost. There is literally no point of using the buffs outside of the events in most scenarios.
 
Captain Jack said:
MindArk stated that they did conduct tests and these glitches only occurred in the actual release (in other words, they weren't able to test the effects of hundreds of avatars simultaneously using the instance), so while I may question their methods it does appear they at least made an effort.
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As a programmer myself, I question their explanation. Hundreds of simultaneous avatars are unlikely to produce a result such as that exploit. Most likely it was something in the check code that they missed when putting it in place.
For it to be simultaneous avatars, it would have to produce extreme lag which could then cause a check to fail and pause the timer instance. However each person would notice that extreme lag before the timer paused...I did not when i was in the instance. My timer paused in the middle of shooting a mob, I saw the update pop up on the screen and was wondering what i had completed when i noticed the "paused progression". Thankfully i hadn't killed that mob at that time and could restart the timer, however that doesn't really matter now since they are resetting the point totals. I had no lag at all in the entire event, however i did have lag in the practice event.

In my eyes, MA are just using a generic response as to what went wrong.
They should have tested the instance for atleast an hour minimum with a few avatars at one time and should have taken note from the enigma event to test stuff out before releasing.

I think they should have made the practice event function exactly like the real one, with a timer and points and have it award boxes and mayhem tokens every 100 points or something similar with a final prize once completing 20 hours. They could have brought this out 3 weeks before the planned summer event (run it for 2 and give 1 week to fix bugs) and advised that it was their way of testing the event to make it fair for all. That would have given time for us players to find any bugs or glitches that they could address before the event.
 
In practice mode what is required to spawn the boss ?
it spawns after 30 min in instance but not if just wait for 30 min
Anybody tracked for instance the amount of killed normal mulmum perhaps
 
SKULL777 said:
In practice mode what is required to spawn the boss ?
it spawns after 30 min in instance but not if just wait for 30 min
Anybody tracked for instance the amount of killed normal mulmum perhaps
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Didn't count but last night when I was hunting I did have the streaming video recorder turned on... ;)

Suspect it's x amount you have to kill before the boss message shows up... counter for the progress mission seemed very similar to similar counters the new bery spawns in caly

 
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Darth Revan said:
As a programmer myself, I question their explanation. Hundreds of simultaneous avatars are unlikely to produce a result such as that exploit. Most likely it was something in the check code that they missed when putting it in place.
For it to be simultaneous avatars, it would have to produce extreme lag which could then cause a check to fail and pause the timer instance.
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Or just that they chose inadequate means of storing data that broke down once 1025th avatar joined the event. :laugh:

Or out of available memory.

Shit happens. :) It would of course still be a silly mistake but there are ways they could not catch in testing.
 
Darth Revan said:
As a programmer myself, I question their explanation. Hundreds of simultaneous avatars are unlikely to produce a result such as that exploit. Most likely it was something in the check code that they missed when putting it in place.
For it to be simultaneous avatars, it would have to produce extreme lag which could then cause a check to fail and pause the timer instance. However each person would notice that extreme lag before the timer paused...I did not when i was in the instance. My timer paused in the middle of shooting a mob, I saw the update pop up on the screen and was wondering what i had completed when i noticed the "paused progression". Thankfully i hadn't killed that mob at that time and could restart the timer, however that doesn't really matter now since they are resetting the point totals. I had no lag at all in the entire event, however i did have lag in the practice event.

In my eyes, MA are just using a generic response as to what went wrong.
They should have tested the instance for atleast an hour minimum with a few avatars at one time and should have taken note from the enigma event to test stuff out before releasing.

I think they should have made the practice event function exactly like the real one, with a timer and points and have it award boxes and mayhem tokens every 100 points or something similar with a final prize once completing 20 hours. They could have brought this out 3 weeks before the planned summer event (run it for 2 and give 1 week to fix bugs) and advised that it was their way of testing the event to make it fair for all. That would have given time for us players to find any bugs or glitches that they could address before the event.
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How many multi-server MMORPGs have you programmed again?
 
Divinity said:
I personally don't think its unfair to return the buffs to those who have wasted them during the period. Whether they do it or not depends on the time/effort required to get it done, however i do think from a player perspective that is the ethical thing to do.

A lot of effort goes into participating in these events and they all come at a cost. There is literally no point of using the buffs outside of the events in most scenarios.
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This is my first event ever... (other than punycide on arkadia).... WOW do they cost. And I'm not even at the buffs level yet, just basic gear tailored to summer mayhem mobs is killing me.
:eyecrazy::eyecrazy::eyecrazy::eyecrazy::eyecrazy::eyecrazy::eyecrazy::eyecrazy::sniper:
 
Just think that I am not an expert in any kind of these works but I think it should be common senses that, any works performed by a professional should have some standards to minimise their errors and mistakes.

Probably this is the 1st time, the summer mayhem event encountered such problem?

I really can't imagine, if I organised an event, on the opening date, I have to announce, "Sorry, we postponed."
 
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DannyO said:
Mayhem warning........

Bug is still there, on Saturday morning clock was pausing again.....

I will not re enter as I suspect they will pause it again.
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Aru you kidding?
i just finished this stupid Event:mad:
 
DannyO said:
Mayhem warning........

Bug is still there, on Saturday morning clock was pausing again.....

I will not re enter as I suspect they will pause it again.
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Some kind of late april fools joke?
 
DannyO said:
Mayhem warning........

Bug is still there, on Saturday morning clock was pausing again.....

I will not re enter as I suspect they will pause it again.
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No issue in my 20 hours here
 
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DannyO said:
No joke, I took pictures and sent into Ma on Saturday morning.

The event clock still showed I had 18hr 20 mins left, but the 5hr instance timer was at 3hrs.
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Dynamic time.

EU is dynamic :wise:
 
DannyO said:
No joke, I took pictures and sent into Ma on Saturday morning.

The event clock still showed I had 18hr 20 mins left, but the 5hr instance timer was at 3hrs.

My 20hr timer seemed to pause as I completed a stage of the daily mission.

I warned society members that the event is still bugged, and no doubt people will exploit the bug so there is no way that ma can allow the event to continue.

If I knew how to post pics on here I would post them..... will ask soc mate to post for me!
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As per requested by DannyO, I am helping on uploading the pictures (he's having some difficulties)

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