girtsn
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Dear Entropia community,
Some of you will be surprised to find me yet again fully owning and selling LA25 which was recently run and listed for sale by dombath together with LA51.
This is because [subj] happened and I want upfront set the record straight on what happened as otherwise it is open for speculations, half-truths and lies.
And to raise awareness on how much each of the involved parties can be trusted to stick to their deals and words.
Any of what was said below can be confirmed by transcripts and/or third parties involved.
Please don't use this thread for discussion on the price of the LAs,
I paid more than the sale that was agreed on when originally acquiring them thus the original asking 600k.
short version
full story
End of 2016, we agreed dombath would buy my LA51 and LA25 - monopoly of 3x osseo DNA
The negotiations with dombath were tough, communications quite often vague, had to squeeze to give concrete terms written out
(e.g. multiple times asked for a concrete payment plan and eventually had to create a proposal myself).
And price was changed twice after agreeing to buyout @ 600k, to 550k and then 500k shortly before trade.
After all of this, I was left with a feeling the deal is shaky and the chances that in 24months things would get finalized not very certain,
but agreed to trust dombath and do it. That’s the pretext to understand the conditions, quote to make it clear I indicated my confidence level
is very low after the 2 price drops.
during the negotiation process I sent a complete overview of all LA globals while in my ownership where my own globals were clearly seen
as well as income of each day where event payouts, fertilizer costs, big industries paid vs. recieved were all included,
no LA related payments outside of these data
With the statistics file I also sent along the following note which clearly indicated my own contribution as well as LA25 used mainly for my hunting
We made the initial trade of LA51 for 350k peds @ 1st of February 2017.
Then, couple of months later I received this PM
Also around the same time I noticed this reply on May 24th 2017 in thread which was created on May 18th 2017, to sell
Atrox lands (https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?294152-Selling-Atrox-Lands-la40-and-la02).
The form of "sorry but", “sell on the la51” without LA 25 and "sell #25 along side" (not a native English speaker, along side written in 2 words sounded
like "next to" more than "in the same package" to me - besides what is the point of asking if the 2 should be sold together or not if the deal was in effect?)
convinced that the deal is off I replied too bad that it happened, and if anyone would want LA25 via dombath’es thread I would be ok to sell it for 150k.
Since then I was fully convinced the deal was off, the trades would happen independently or together and had not checked the sale thread nor had
I received any updates on it.
07-25-2017, 16:55 I created this sellout thread that at time included LA25 for BO of 150k
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?299193-bulk-skills-uberish-items
Very quickly, the BO was met and the land was sold (2017-07-27)
Then next day after the sale (very unfortunate timing indeed):
In any case, since then dombath started to insist the deal was never off and that I broke the deal and did not honor my word.
After a lot of discussions and me feeling bad for the position dombath was in and being concerned for my reputation if this went public
(although still convinced the fault was at both sides for misleading/missing communication)
I managed to convince the buyer (2017-08-17) to buy back the land @ 170k with dombath agreeing to split the difference of 20k with me
as the miscommunication was mutual - on condition that dombath was confident to come throgh on the final payment which he also confirmed.
Had to borrow IRL money for this and deposit as the peds were already spent ingame. Buy back happend @ 2017-08-30.
After this, dombath contacted me @ 11-23-2017 to ask for some favours - to be able to manage LA25 and get the income from it to be able
to speed up the repay process + he complained on how bad it has beeing going etc. and asked if we could stick with the 150k price for LA25.
I agreed, on condition that the 150k would be paid closer by originally proposed deal finalization (18 months) if not 160k by 1st of February 2019
Then lately, as the 18 months were approaching, I asked for a confirmation on the deal going through where in a much more detail
but basically dombath replied that
Sorry for the lots of text and details, but I felt this had to get out - reputation and sticking to your word means a lot in any kind of business.
Thank you.
Some of you will be surprised to find me yet again fully owning and selling LA25 which was recently run and listed for sale by dombath together with LA51.
This is because [subj] happened and I want upfront set the record straight on what happened as otherwise it is open for speculations, half-truths and lies.
And to raise awareness on how much each of the involved parties can be trusted to stick to their deals and words.
Any of what was said below can be confirmed by transcripts and/or third parties involved.
Please don't use this thread for discussion on the price of the LAs,
I paid more than the sale that was agreed on when originally acquiring them thus the original asking 600k.
short version
- long negotiation during which all LA related income and expenses data was provided on very detailed level, day by day
- dombath twice lowering the already agreed trade price from 600k to 550k and then shortly before sale to 500k
- dombath initially proposed term 18 months which I extended to 24 to make it more likely for him to gather the funds
- mutual agreement to trade 2 LAs for 500k in 24 months from deal date 2017 1st February, 350k for LA51 upfront and final 150k for LA25
- supposed misunderstanding as of which I assumed the deal was off and sold LA25 for 150k (2017-07-27)
- on promise from dombath to pay up half of the difference and follow through with the deal, I bought LA25 back for 170k (2017-08-30)
- I did not run anything on LA25 for the whole deal duration and after he asked let dombath fully run the LA25 after the mishap above - looking back suppose this was just a way to test LA25 and if needed back out of the deal
- later on request of dombath we agreed to set the price at 150k if trade by 1st of July 2018 (closer to the initially negotiated 18 months)
- then, ~1 month before the deadline, dombath announced that the deal is off and he won't be buying the LA25
- since then we had failed to agree on any reasonable compensation and dombath even started to claim that I manipulated data provided before the initial trade - which is not true at all, can and will post the data here if the need arises
full story
End of 2016, we agreed dombath would buy my LA51 and LA25 - monopoly of 3x osseo DNA
The negotiations with dombath were tough, communications quite often vague, had to squeeze to give concrete terms written out
(e.g. multiple times asked for a concrete payment plan and eventually had to create a proposal myself).
And price was changed twice after agreeing to buyout @ 600k, to 550k and then 500k shortly before trade.
After all of this, I was left with a feeling the deal is shaky and the chances that in 24months things would get finalized not very certain,
but agreed to trust dombath and do it. That’s the pretext to understand the conditions, quote to make it clear I indicated my confidence level
is very low after the 2 price drops.
during the negotiation process I sent a complete overview of all LA globals while in my ownership where my own globals were clearly seen
as well as income of each day where event payouts, fertilizer costs, big industries paid vs. recieved were all included,
no LA related payments outside of these data
With the statistics file I also sent along the following note which clearly indicated my own contribution as well as LA25 used mainly for my hunting
We made the initial trade of LA51 for 350k peds @ 1st of February 2017.
Then, couple of months later I received this PM
Also around the same time I noticed this reply on May 24th 2017 in thread which was created on May 18th 2017, to sell
Atrox lands (https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?294152-Selling-Atrox-Lands-la40-and-la02).
It seemed very clear that the new thread was created to sell one osseo LA (51), also from the thread URL, LA25 was not part of it at the creation time.
The form of "sorry but", “sell on the la51” without LA 25 and "sell #25 along side" (not a native English speaker, along side written in 2 words sounded
like "next to" more than "in the same package" to me - besides what is the point of asking if the 2 should be sold together or not if the deal was in effect?)
convinced that the deal is off I replied too bad that it happened, and if anyone would want LA25 via dombath’es thread I would be ok to sell it for 150k.
Since then I was fully convinced the deal was off, the trades would happen independently or together and had not checked the sale thread nor had
I received any updates on it.
07-25-2017, 16:55 I created this sellout thread that at time included LA25 for BO of 150k
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?299193-bulk-skills-uberish-items
Very quickly, the BO was met and the land was sold (2017-07-27)
Then next day after the sale (very unfortunate timing indeed):
Strangely here it is "not a massive problem if it is sold". Also this is not mentioning the deal being on.
In any case, since then dombath started to insist the deal was never off and that I broke the deal and did not honor my word.
After a lot of discussions and me feeling bad for the position dombath was in and being concerned for my reputation if this went public
(although still convinced the fault was at both sides for misleading/missing communication)
I managed to convince the buyer (2017-08-17) to buy back the land @ 170k with dombath agreeing to split the difference of 20k with me
as the miscommunication was mutual - on condition that dombath was confident to come throgh on the final payment which he also confirmed.
Had to borrow IRL money for this and deposit as the peds were already spent ingame. Buy back happend @ 2017-08-30.
After this, dombath contacted me @ 11-23-2017 to ask for some favours - to be able to manage LA25 and get the income from it to be able
to speed up the repay process + he complained on how bad it has beeing going etc. and asked if we could stick with the 150k price for LA25.
I agreed, on condition that the 150k would be paid closer by originally proposed deal finalization (18 months) if not 160k by 1st of February 2019
Then lately, as the 18 months were approaching, I asked for a confirmation on the deal going through where in a much more detail
but basically dombath replied that
- he is sorry but the deal is off and I can keep the LA25 or sell it
- complaining that the price was not correct so start with and that I hid information on the trade - surely not the case
- he does not agree to any compensation paid to me as of above except returning LA51 for
- the original price minus 20k and taking over his remaining credit he still owes for LA51
Sorry for the lots of text and details, but I felt this had to get out - reputation and sticking to your word means a lot in any kind of business.
Thank you.
