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To make story shot (for lousy readers) all started with a DPS team @ eomon stalkers. That means I paid all the ammo and decay for team and got all the loot.
Math: Average return 90%-98% : let's say 90% in my case .
My cost around 1300 ped / h (lr-75 + gamma + buffs) we'll say it 1000 per h to be more easy.
Total team cost 4k / h (ammo + decay).
Now we know that the return is calculated based on spent. So for 10h hunt I spent 10k ped (for me) but in reality I spent 40k ped (because I paid all team). 90% return means 36k ped. Now the problem arrives: overall I lost 4k BUT Mindark servers see me with 26k ped on plus , because I shooted 10k ped and looted 36k ped.
All my return after that is around 50%. that prove what I said.... So now, I have to put back to MA (loose) 26k ped to be back on tracker on the 90%-98% return that all have.
So as an advice.... don't use DPS support becouse you will loose double .... if bad loot and to be back on track.
(I had to check all this - even ma support: I am all in parameters - becouse since migration start I am down over 20k ped [ofc compared with others I am still way less]).
Have fun and happy migration

PS: to avoid trolls : IS NOT A CRY THREAD ! IS JUST AN INFO FOR WHO WANT TO TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT !
 
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Tnx for sharing....
I did have plans to do dps support hunt....not anymore...
Sorry for your loss.

P.S.
Thats means we can do support dps hunts ONLY with very trusted ppl, dmg shared loot,and they give loot to sponsor afterwards.
Can be done,but but but..lets say stressfull
 
I don't see the issue here??

If you pay x4 the amount (for a team), then you will lose x4 the amount?

MA have NEVER said 'You will get 90% return.'

They have only said, 'Expect 9x% over all players'


Rgds
 
Doubt it, would be way too easy to exploit. Did the other people hunting with you get great loot after your team hunting because they spent but received zero loot?
 
Ace Flyster said:
I don't see the issue here??

If you pay x4 the amount (for a team), then you will lose x4 the amount?

MA have NEVER said 'You will get 90% return.'

They have only said, 'Expect 9x% over all players'


Rgds
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no no, OP maths are right (not sure if MA has mechanics in place to prevent this though)
from MA point of view he is +26k which now he has to lose back

@OP: if MA don`t have balancing mechanics in place (which I think they may have), you have a simple solution: get a job yourself as dps support shooter, until you lose the 26k to the team leader.. problem solved
 
Are the 3 other players hogging like crazy now since the server sees them as down 10k peds?
 
do you have some in-depth numbers because "down 20k" tells me nothing

How much cycled, what mobs, what setup, other costs such as pills/enhancers/L items?
 
Not sure how to answer about all the others but 2 from em got nice ubers ....
Btw is not a cry thread is just an observation post. And yes MA calculate in vs out not trades.
Feel free to test yourself then can post your statistics here.

Mathilda what in-deph you want to know ? I shooted 10h + per day since the event started on eomon young-prov after the crazy stalkers team and other mobs around. Camped on CP too, went on cyrene etc ... All down to that . And no way I shooted 200k ped ! to have an average of 90% and loose 20k! My average was under 80%.
lr-70, lr-75 , -340, beta, gamma, perseus, adj sk-80, rutuba, harrier etc ....
You can try very easy : take 9 friends give them each 10k ped all shoot 10h only you loot. See your next month loot and tell me how it goes. (I said 9 to be with u 10 and total 100k -> cycle that MA calculate the max return) . Doable in only 1 day . Have fun.
 
MA dont calculte like that, the system shouldnt factor in or care at all about your prev results and returns just run the algo for each loot event as it appears. It may appear they do it sometimes but it just how the math/averages work. If they were tracking your returns and lowering them when they were high to put on you on whatever return they fell like that would be shady af
 
Xen said:
Doubt it, would be way too easy to exploit. Did the other people hunting with you get great loot after your team hunting because they spent but received zero loot?
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Not sure how to exploit. Make a team . One guy loot all, the other shoot. So the shooter get 0 and looter is on +. Looter give the loot to the shooter and shooter go again to hunt since on MA server is on - then he will get + from that loot ? BUT ... overall the game won't be on exploit. Becouse as team: on 1st run was -1k and when hunter go solo he might be +1k so overall game is on 0.
But feel free to try this anytime on your own ped :D and share the results
 
maiden said:
Not sure how to answer about all the others but 2 from em got nice ubers ....
Btw is not a cry thread is just an observation post. And yes MA calculate in vs out not trades.
Feel free to test yourself then can post your statistics here.

Mathilda what in-deph you want to know ? I shooted 10h + per day since the event started on eomon young-prov after the crazy stalkers team and other mobs around. Camped on CP too, went on cyrene etc ... All down to that . And no way I shooted 200k ped ! to have an average of 90% and loose 20k! My average was under 80%.
lr-70, lr-75 , -340, beta, gamma, perseus, adj sk-80, rutuba, harrier etc ....
You can try very easy : take 9 friends give them each 10k ped all shoot 10h only you loot. See your next month loot and tell me how it goes. (I said 9 to be with u 10 and total 100k -> cycle that MA calculate the max return) . Doable in only 1 day . Have fun.
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Do you track your expenses? cause youre using very markup heavy items, 10h+ every day with these items will add up to 20k spent in markup alone very fast
 
BigPimping said:
MA dont calculte like that, the system shouldnt factor in or care at all about your prev results and returns just run the algo for each loot event as it appears. It may appear they do it sometimes but it just how the math/averages work. If they were tracking your returns and lowering them when they were high to put on you on whatever return they fell like that would be shady af
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The math is very simple: With top gear u get 98% with my gear prolly 90%. So if I spend 10h per day 10 days with 1k cost per h I loose 1k$ in 10 days . (BTW that's already happening to me for some time.... not 1k fix was an example but i'm around 95-96% retur). So not sure about what game you talk, how much you hunt and what you do. All my examples are in round to be easy to do the math . Prolly I shoot 1235.2 ped per h ammo + decay etc .... For accurate tests feel free to do yourself and post all. Try shoot 100k ped and calculate all decay etc and you will see the cost to play . will be around 500$ . Now use uber weapons and that you will spend in week. Go hunt puny ok.... you play with 500$ years...
Have fun
 
Mathilda said:
Do you track your expenses? cause youre using very markup heavy items, 10h+ every day with these items will add up to 20k spent in markup alone very fast
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Yes I counted the MU too.... since I looted over 20 esis 300+ ped output 800 boxes etc .... and paid % (preferential for armatrix) and MU in VS MU out is kinda equal.
 
:scratch2: my point is if you do something like you mention in the op it wont affect future returns in the systems eyes youre not up or down x it has no memory past a single loot event.
 
The exploit is incredibly easy.

10 ppl shoot one alt loots. He never shoot. The alt sits at 90%. 10k spent by each shooter. They are all -10k. When shooting is done the alt gives out the peds via trade.

Those 10 ppl show 0% as you state.

Now those 10 ppl go out and hunt. They shoot a second 10k. They now receive they’re make up HoFs since they got nothing on first round of shooting. They receive 18k peds. 90%

20k peds shot, 28k peds looted.


Somehow I can’t see ma overlooking something this simple. But who knows maybe I just broke the game.
 
BigPimping said:
:scratch2: my point is if you do something like you mention in the op it wont affect future returns in the systems eyes youre not up or down x it has no memory past a single loot event.
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It's based on individual account. All is based on individual ! In vs Out.
Remember is not a casino or a pure random gambling game.
All maters : skills, gear etc. ALL.
 
maiden said:
Yes I counted the MU too.... since I looted over 20 esis 300+ ped output 800 boxes etc .... and paid % (preferential for armatrix) and MU in VS MU out is kinda equal.
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Wow. I’ve killed around 3000 or so eomon. I have 1 esi looted. I completed stage 2 stage 3 stage 4 and working on stage 5 this year.
 
BigPimping said:
:scratch2: my point is if you do something like you mention in the op it wont affect future returns in the systems eyes youre not up or down x it has no memory past a single loot event.
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While I agree with this, I do also believe that modifiers do react over time.

Example:

I start out with a mod of 1.0 for all loot.
I decay an abnormal amount over time and this modifier starts to move higher, faster than normal.
So lets say I get a correction when my mod is 2.1, I get the global and the modifier drops down again.
You must keep cycling to keep the modifier moving up.
When you stop playing, the modifier decays on its own.
When you HOF, it drops. (hint- go naked for a bit, and ride out the slow re-build, or decay again like mad and hope to build it faster)

And obviously its a variable with a range of an award.

My prediction, you have a high modifier waiting for a match to the overall global "loot tumblers". (which is checked at every loot event, and based on overall activity)

Rough theory ofc, but I only say this because the game has to have some kind of mechanic to track an overall return.

I,like you don't think they have a running tally of all in and out, so there has to be a sub system in place to keep track of it somehow, even if its a rough representation. (this is my best guess as to how one would work) Otherwise this game would never have passed the regulators when they audited it. The lack of any overall tracking would classify this as gambling.
 
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thee pepe said:
The exploit is incredibly easy.

10 ppl shoot one alt loots. He never shoot. The alt sits at 90%. 10k spent by each shooter. They are all -10k. When shooting is done the alt gives out the peds via trade.

Those 10 ppl show 0% as you state.

Now those 10 ppl go out and hunt. They shoot a second 10k. They now receive they’re make up HoFs since they got nothing on first round of shooting. They receive 18k peds. 90%

20k peds shot, 28k peds looted.


Somehow I can’t see ma overlooking something this simple. But who knows maybe I just broke the game.
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You can try. I think MA servers do an overall correlation . You won't be on + if someone else other part in the game won't loose. Yes that can make you win prolly since team loose and individual get +. Now what is not know but you may test is if all 10 in team loose 4k .... the total + overall for the 9 shooters is 4k or more. If is 4k is logical 100% what I said with no fault from MA. In case those 9 are on plus 9k then might be a little problem for MA logic algorithm . But anyway I don't see any flaw in what I said.
Is just my opinion.
 
thee pepe said:
Wow. I’ve killed around 3000 or so eomon. I have 1 esi looted. I completed stage 2 stage 3 stage 4 and working on stage 5 this year.
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I go for MU. I pay MU on what I use to loot MU. Maybe this will open you're loot a bit :)
 
forgo said:
While I agree with this, I do also believe that modifiers do react over time.

Example:

I start out with a mod of 1.0 for all loot.
I decay an abnormal amount over time and this modifier starts to move higher, faster than normal.
So lets say I get a correction when my mod is 2.1, I get the global and the modifier drops down again.
You must keep cycling to keep the modifier moving up.
When you stop playing, the modifier decays on its own.
When you HOF, it resets.

My prediction, you have a high modifier waiting for a match to the "loot tumblers". (which is checked at every loot event)
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On what I say my modifier was or still is low since game see me ++++++++
 
Usually I don't post stuff because of same answers to facts braught up by players like Maiden....if he is showing you his results(he actually spend that ped and received what he received) why the hell you keep saying "this shouldn't happen" or "the algo doesn't calculate like this" and other similar shitty answers....have you people actually done a similar test,or are you just theorising????
And you keep wondering why you see less and less hunting loggs and real,acurate testing results on hunting....unbelivable
Maiden,stop trying to help people out mate,or just post your results and stop answering to others....who belives you eighter tests the same thing to see if it's true,or just learn from your shared missfortune.
 
Let me try to explain this “theory” one more time.

My wife makes an avatar. She doesn’t play. She just joins my team and follows me around. She loots every mob for me for an entire day. I shoot around 3k peds a day. At the end of the day I have received no loot. My wife received 2500 peds. She then trades the peds to me.

The next day I shoot and loot myself. Same 3k peds. The game will now give me 4500 peds. So the game still has me at a loss of 1500. Yet I have 7k peds of loot.

I simply rinse and repeat everyday and I’m rich in a few months.


Again. I can’t see how ma would miss something this simple. I onky have one computer otherwise I would try this right now.


For those of you with wives playing, I know there are some, don’t want to mention names, it seems I have just shown you the golden ticket.
 
Elmurfud said:
Usually I don't post stuff because of same answers to facts braught up by players like Maiden....if he is showing you his results(he actually spend that ped and received what he received) why the hell you keep saying "this shouldn't happen" or "the algo doesn't calculate like this" and other similar shitty answers....have you people actually done a similar test,or are you just theorising????
And you keep wondering why you see less and less hunting loggs and real,acurate testing results on hunting....unbelivable
Maiden,stop trying to help people out mate,or just post your results and stop answering to others....who belives you eighter tests the same thing to see if it's true,or just learn from your shared missfortune.
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shitty answer is just the reality what are you even on about i explain how the game works from my owbn experience playing for a very long time. Did you actually read what he wrote or think about it for a second. Or just rage post your nonsense?
 
BigPimping said:
shitty answer is just the reality what are you even on about i explain how the game works from my owbn experience playing for a very long time. Did you actually read what he wrote or think about it for a second. Or just rage post your nonsense?
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After a long think in history (still 2.0 loot) 4 months ago I camped osseo stalkers. Same thing... dps support.. Took me 3 weeks on puny (over 5 ped per kill) to recover and be back on my normal loot. Prolly I am nuts prolly my imagination ... Who knows.
Have fun . Is a cool game, just that MA ruin it....
 
Following this logic, having deposited numerous times for a friend who can't, basically having large sums leaving my account in one direction on a regular basis, I should have been hoffing like crazy. Or at least breaking even :).
 
Seems to me like your returns are normal and majority of your losses comes from markup input
 
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