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Are you a Good Entropia Universe Customer?

Are you a good Entropia Univere Customer

  • Yes

    Votes: 86 67.2%

  • No

    Votes: 34 26.6%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 8 6.3%
  • Total voters
    128
Voted bad customer, since MA doesnt make much of me.
Took more out then I've put in.

But I do consider myself to be a good extra (or supporting actor).
I just help fill up the Universe by being an active green dot. :silly2:


Spacejanitor said:
Might I ad this pls? If you havent deposited more than 5-10K USD into the platform in one deposit, you have no right or foot to stand on, to take part in a discussion like this. The bottomfeeders and opertunists are no bennifit whatsoever to this RCE.
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5~10k$ in one deposit?
Are you out of your mind!?!?!

If that would be the standard, it would be a quiet place here.

Sure there's some that might have deposited 10k$ in 1 deposit, but I think they are few.

What about the steady depositers that play for 30$ per months for over a decade now?
I think they're far more valuable than the 10k$ depositer.

Even the non depositing sweaters can ne valuable since this universe needs souls. Be it poor or rich.
For all there's a place and all are needed.

So please, don't be such a spoiled brad by saying the small timers have no right to speak.
Because there are many small timers who are far more experienced then you are with your big money! And they might contribute a lot more to this game than you have.

So, be nice and dont be a rich dick ;)
 
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wizz said:
Voted bad customer, since MA doesnt make much of me.
Took more out then I've put in.
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This simple calculation doesn't reflect that, because all your gains come from other players. People consistently fail to understand modern networked economies that live off the connections rather than the size of individual contributions. If you manage your money well and are good at selling your loots for markup, your activities absolutely benefit the company. The deposits just come from others instead. Even if you withdraw the spoils of one lucky shot, it is made up for by the input from others. The only way to be like sand in the gearbox is consuming server power without participating in any interchange with anyone, e.g. like forever sweating and tt'ing it. How this would wreck your own economy is a natural detriment, so even if some disgruntled people went down that route, they wouldn't have much of an effect because they wouln't find many followers. The system is sound and self-balancing.

PS: I voted bad customer, too, but it's really just for a chuckle. Why should it be seen as a virtue to be a "good customer"? Choice is unbound. Everyone is a good customer to a good product and a bad customer to a bad one, with 100% subjectivity in the verdict.
 
From MA side of view a good customer is someone who brings in money regularly (depsoits), where lager depositor is better customer while small depositer is still a good customer.

So I voted for "I am a good customer", as I regularly deposit small amount, although I don´t really need it, as I could play for free.

Now lets see about a perfect customer:

Someone who deposits a lot of money regularly (above 100$/week)
He also is a streamer/youtuber who regularley shares videos (free advertisements)
Provides a webside with a service around EU which MA/PP can´t/won´t deliver (tracker, tradeplatform, shopregiser, wiki)
He also active in several forums around EU and always positive about the game (no whinning, no MA bashing for not fixing the bugs)
He is polite in his constructive critics, and always reports bugs imediately instead exploiting it.
He shares his experience with friends and bring in new players.
He uses his RL conections to get in new investors (like ND), and make positive press around EU.

To be honest, I don´t know a single player I would consider perfect for MA :)
 
ToU gives MA absolute discretion to get rid of bad customers.

Ergo, all those left are good enough. :)
 
GoNi said:
From MA side of view a good customer is someone who brings in money regularly (depsoits), where lager depositor is better customer while small depositer is still a good customer.
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and what about those who don't depo but make others depo? =)
 
Quell Que Star said:
I used to be (as you know)...not so much anymore
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Hopefully soon u'll be able to reverse that :)


DavinFelth said:
Let's just say I have put some of their kids in some college classes...

anyhow...
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I am with u completely on things they need to improve but thats not what we are discussing here. Glad to hear you have contributed and MA should focus more on those who do.


Spacejanitor said:
I was wrong. Did not think things through before posting. My apologies for that.
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Good to see you turning a new leaf.

Vadio said:
Hum i guess NO! i leave public decide for me
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Decide based on what? :D You are the best judge of yourself so i will take it as a NO ;-)

GoNi said:
From MA side of view a good customer is someone who brings in money regularly (depsoits), where lager depositor is better customer while small depositer is still a good customer.

So I voted for "I am a good customer", as I regularly deposit small amount, although I don´t really need it, as I could play for free.

Now lets see about a perfect customer:

Someone who deposits a lot of money regularly (above 100$/week)
He also is a streamer/youtuber who regularley shares videos (free advertisements)
Provides a webside with a service around EU which MA/PP can´t/won´t deliver (tracker, tradeplatform, shopregiser, wiki)
He also active in several forums around EU and always positive about the game (no whinning, no MA bashing for not fixing the bugs)
He is polite in his constructive critics, and always reports bugs imediately instead exploiting it.
He shares his experience with friends and bring in new players.
He uses his RL conections to get in new investors (like ND), and make positive press around EU.

To be honest, I don´t know a single player I would consider perfect for MA :)
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Hahaha nothing in this world is perfect so expecting a perfect customer is like quite literally impossible :)

However, i could not have coined it better as far as describing the perfect customer goes. :)

Alukat123 said:
and what about those who don't depo but make others depo? =)
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Well considering i myself am in the category lemme tell you what i think. I am a huge liability to MA cause the guy who is depositing is not depositing because he loves me, he is depositing cause he loves the game. The money he deposits he will stop depositing when he feels its too much, so basically if i drain more the company will need to spend that much more of there own resources to find a replacement for the depositing customer when he stops depositing. I think the technical term for the above is "leeching" and in very few occassions can a leech benefit the host :)

The basis of the above comment is that "we" are not making others depo but "we" are forcing others to deposit more to be able to play :) I know most who are in this category will not agree with me and a big reason for that is how MA advertises EU, more akin to a casino (where people try to win money) then a game (where people pay for entertainment).

Cheers,

Divinity
 
Spacejanitor said:
Might I ad this pls? If you havent deposited more than 5-10K USD into the platform in one deposit, you have no right or foot to stand on, to take part in a discussion like this. The bottomfeeders and opertunists are no bennifit whatsoever to this RCE.
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Lets hope one day you will not regret those 5-10k USD deposits...

Not everyone can or will deposit that much into a GAME and that doesn't make them less important to the game. You need all kinds of players to enable a strong and healthy environment with an active comunity. If only the rich stay in the game, you will have an empty Entropia Universe and soon would close its doors.
 
BackBone said:
Lets hope one day you will not regret those 5-10k USD deposits...

Not everyone can or will deposit that much into a GAME and that doesn't make them less important to the game. You need all kinds of players to enable a strong and healthy environment with an active comunity. If only the rich stay in the game, you will have an empty Entropia Universe and soon would close its doors.
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I honestly don't see the point of this after someone has already apologized for what he said. We need to move on instead of picking at things till eternity.

Spacejanitor said:
I was wrong. Did not think things through before posting. My apologies for that.
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Divinity said:
I honestly don't see the point of this after someone has already apologized for what he said. We need to move on instead of picking at things till eternity.
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Indeed, my bad. I didnt read the entire thread before posting. Good action by SpaceJanitor to realize he wasn't correct!

Want to recomend his 2nd post but gives me message "need to spread reputation around".

As for the thread subject, i may be naive and dont know much about the big money in this game, but seems to me that what hurts most the universe is the players that the main profession is trading and withdrawing the profits. I know its part of the game but it feels a bit like they dont input much and output a lot from the game. Just my 2 cents.
 
i went from good 100 dollar a week to bad 100 dollars maybe every 2 years whit all the exploit and such

voted for bad customer realy that dont say anything

its more mA made there choice to make bad customers
 
Thanks for the neg rep GoNi, did not know apologizing is wrong. :eyecrazy:


Had I known you would rant and neg rep me for apologizing, I may have refrained from doing it.(NOT)

But for you, I have this to say. Never considder Good Manners and Kindness as a weakness. Its not. Neither and invitation to go full offensive.

Its not about the reps itself, but the act of malice.
 
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Spacejanitor said:
Thanks for the neg rep GoNi, did not know apologizing is wrong. :eyecrazy:


Had I known you would rant and neg rep me for apologizing, I may have refrained from doing it.(NOT)

But for you, I have this to say. Never considder Good Manners and Kindness as a weakness. Its not. Neither and invitation to go full offensive.
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Well, I have to admit, I hadn't seen your apologizes either before I placed my reaction. :ahh:

Sorry about that ;)
 
wizz said:
Well, I have to admit, I hadn't seen your apologizes either before I placed my reaction. :ahh:

Sorry about that ;)
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nah man, were good. I was in the wrong initially. But GoNi actually neg repped my apollogy lol

And I deserved the flack I got for my posting.
 
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Voted yes, i accept to loose 2k peds/ month from grinding low level mobs, current return for august a bit above 94%. I believe i have to pay this price to get better overall return in the future. Not profiting with MU but i loose a bit less money.

I could go on bigger mobs, but i don't want my cost to play to be insane, its already the most expensive game i played in my life. So i continue to play as a mid lvl 3 to 4 hours a day with deposit on regular basis, based on that, i believe i'm a good customer, in MA point of view.

Bad side : i have never recommanded EU to anyone, even good friends that play more than me and like challenge, i don't want to tell them : " ok bro, basically, you need a bankrool of 1K USD, then you deposit there and there to keep your bankrool alive, and blablabla"

I stopped QQing, i just keep shooting and see what happen, if i'm not happy at all with the result : less than 95% TT return on over 100k peds for killing small mobs, i will become a bad customer, because i will take a break ( a long break ), because you know, not easy to quit forever :)
 
I'm a great customer. When I depo, it takes very little server load to remove those peds from me. Ultra high efficiency on transferred bytes.
 
Spacejanitor said:
Thanks for the neg rep GoNi, did not know apologizing is wrong. :eyecrazy:
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Sorry, the REP came in befor I read your next post.

Well, maybe next time first think then write, and such thing won´t happen.

And I did not NEG rep an apology, I gave REP for that:

Spacejanitor said:
Might I ad this pls? If you havent deposited more than 5-10K USD into the platform in one deposit, you have no right or foot to stand on, to take part in a discussion like this. The bottomfeeders and opertunists are no bennifit whatsoever to this RCE.
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My REP given to that still stands right, even if you apology later for a very arogant statement.

Get your facts right, and don´t talk bullshit!


Edit Sidenote:

1000 players who deposit 10$ a month are as good than 1 player who deposits 10k$ a month, but 1000 players make healthy playerbase where just 1 player isn´t very healthy for a game.

So please think about it, what is better for a MMO, the 1000 small depositors or the one big investor?
 
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SSN said:
Voted yes, i accept to loose 2k peds/ month from grinding low level mobs, current return for august a bit above 94%. I believe i have to pay this price to get better overall return in the future. Not profiting with MU but i loose a bit less money.
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Ideal kinda customer imho :)

smoothee said:
I'm a great customer. When I depo, it takes very little server load to remove those peds from me. Ultra high efficiency on transferred bytes.
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Perfect efficiency would be deposit and poof gone :) That would be 100% efficiency. I agree with the logic of fast removal peds being the most efficient customer from MA perspective. lol
 
Well depends where the peds go, most people that lose a deposit in 5mins put most of it into the lootpool not to MA. Perfect customer for MA cycle constantly at a loss and topup losses via depo.
 
BigPimping said:
Well depends where the peds go, most people that lose a deposit in 5mins put most of it into the lootpool not to MA. Perfect customer for MA cycle constantly at a loss and topup losses via depo.
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Yes and MA takes 5% out of that lootpool.
So it does indirectly go to MA.
 
BigPimping said:
Well depends where the peds go, most people that lose a deposit in 5mins put most of it into the lootpool not to MA. Perfect customer for MA cycle constantly at a loss and topup losses via depo.
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wizz said:
Yes and MA takes 5% out of that lootpool.
So it does indirectly go to MA.
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If that was the case then i would expect MA to have the remaining of our deposits which we have in terms of peds ingame ( tt values) to be there in MA's vault. Please tell me you know where that secret vault of Mindark is where all the remaining of our $'s are. :)

Facts as per my limited knowledge : MA take our deposits and pay out our withdrawals. The peds we have in game is a liability and they keep that as such with TOU considering only last 6 months of our deposits as something we can contend against. Even that if MA ever went kaput would not work as there will be other bigger lenders who would draw them dry before even this 6 month contingency comes into play. Also please don't quote financial report and how things are termed there unless you are an accountant and knows how liabilities work out in the financial paradigm.
 
Divinity said:
...Even that if MA ever went kaput would not work as there will be other bigger lenders who would draw them dry before even this 6 month contingency comes into play. Also please don't quote financial report and how things are termed there unless you are an accountant and knows how liabilities work out in the financial paradigm.
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Do you know (I have no idea) if they went into the swedish/EU version of a bankrupcty, whether the courts there would insist to pay off customers or business debt first?

It's sort of off topic but I wonder after reading your remark. Hopefully if they really give up they close down in an orderly fashion.
 
GoNi said:
From MA side of view a good customer is someone who brings in money regularly (depsoits), where lager depositor is better customer while small depositer is still a good customer.

So I voted for "I am a good customer", as I regularly deposit small amount, although I don´t really need it, as I could play for free.

Now lets see about a perfect customer:

Someone who deposits a lot of money regularly (above 100$/week)
He also is a streamer/youtuber who regularley shares videos (free advertisements)
Provides a webside with a service around EU which MA/PP can´t/won´t deliver (tracker, tradeplatform, shopregiser, wiki)
He also active in several forums around EU and always positive about the game (no whinning, no MA bashing for not fixing the bugs)
He is polite in his constructive critics, and always reports bugs imediately instead exploiting it.
He shares his experience with friends and bring in new players.
He uses his RL conections to get in new investors (like ND), and make positive press around EU.

To be honest, I don´t know a single player I would consider perfect for MA :)
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Besides my service pedtoclick being upgraded right now I meet all of those standards.
Heck you could even argue that i still do because of entropiatutorial.com
 
Atrax said:
Do you know (I have no idea) if they went into the swedish/EU version of a bankrupcty, whether the courts there would insist to pay off customers or business debt first?

It's sort of off topic but I wonder after reading your remark. Hopefully if they really give up they close down in an orderly fashion.
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From what i know of Indian Laws ( i donno if EU laws are similar or not) the secured creditors have first claim in such cases. Basically banks/leases/mortgages etc get paid first along with i think employees in some cases. So we would be so far back away in the pile that we would get nothing if it ever came to that :)

My opinion above is based on my limited knowledge :)

Lets not go OFFTOPIC though :D ( I know i kinda went there myself )

Cheers,

Divinity
 
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I vote no. Only depostied once to buy a booth many years back, since then my avater is worth hell lot more. I have not withdrawed, but play for fun and with out worry of loss.
 
And here comes Miles to ad to the -reps. realy? Clealy hasnt read entire thread through. Whos being narrow-minded here hmmm?

Don't like to neg rep, but this is the stupidest, most narrow-minded crap opinion. Idiot
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Ill just ad it to the flack I need to take :) No probs.
 
Personally, I think so. Neg Rep me if you disagree though as I might just be delusional :D

I have deposited a fairly large amount, and I produce a fair amount of decay on a regular basis. I contribute to events, a sell markup and on occasion, I buy it as well. Oh, and I lose a lot of ped :)

I've put out some Youtube videos for EU, though I am pretty lazy with it. I am however very active in the Discord and always try to help new players to the best of my ability.
 
lmao

Spacejanitor said:
Might I ad this pls? If you havent deposited more than 5-10K USD into the platform in one deposit, you have no right or foot to stand on, to take part in a discussion like this. The bottomfeeders and opertunists are no bennifit whatsoever to this RCE.
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So since the pirates take the vast majority of his 5-10k deposits in space, does this now make the pirates good customers? :O)
 
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penethol said:
So since the pirates take the vast majority of his 5-10k deposits in space, does this now make the pirates good customers? :O)
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please update your society you are in (we know already but.. ).

Also type = no. Cause as per your boss post ON THIS FORUM last year, you withdraw the money and spend on wXXXXX (and you have 1 of those, by her own admition in your ''soc'') so keep it in real life soc. cool.

Thanks (thanks for free repair skilling also). No salt just reply truthing now
 
no boss

treeloggerbigbi said:
please update your society you are in (we know already but.. ).

Also type = no. Cause as per your boss post ON THIS FORUM last year, you withdraw the money and spend on wXXXXX (and you have 1 of those, by her own admition in your ''soc'') so keep it in real life soc. cool.

Thanks (thanks for free repair skilling also). No salt just reply truthing now
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I have no boss. I do as i please when i play. I have also never withdrawn yet, ever. I use all profits to improve my gear and buy deeds. You are welcome for the free repair skills, and u should have got spacecraft pilot too, a 9000% skill. SEE? Even a pirate serves a purpose, u just overlook it. Pirates are great eu customers after all!
 
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