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    Lightbulb tier system re-balancing for costs, ingredient availability, extreme slowness in some categories

    Dear MA,

    wanted to post this in the dev corner but seems it is closed for new threads

    1. with the current state of the game, aren't tier costs of higher level items except some top event winner dps just out of balance? e.g.

    • imk2 tier costs to t10 were and are considered extremely high @ 64k peds tt, probably ~ 95k peds incl. MU - only one person ingame was dedicated enough / earning enough so far to push it all the way in all these years tiering was available for it
    • modfap used to be one of the most expensive pre v2 more so than imk2 but seeing that nobody rushes to buy the FEN equivalent for ~90k or less, what's the hope of anyone tiering it up at that cost?
    • the high level armor tier costs are just utterly unreasonable when parts are expensive already and then multiplied with 7


    --> v2 -->

    • all newer weapons seem to give crazy stats and then even crazier high tier costs way more than than the previous generation
    • arso chip 4 is 10x the tier costs of arso chip 3, I remember there was a fix for arso chip 3 after people complained about its tier costs being crazy - suppose arso chip 4 again same formula applied?


    is this what you meant with v2 - new weapons that would offer endless possibilities?

    shouln't it be aligned with today's reality of item prices iso 2007 item prices?

    2. some tier components are quite N/A like mentioned here and reflected in the component prices
    * tier 3, 7, 8 components
    * opals

    just an idea for tier enhancer and gem etc. availability - maybe those could drop from all the mayhem's as there are usually instances 1-10 or 1-5 they could drop needed tiering components 1-10 as well
    this could create also a tiering mayhem during the events not only chipout + other types of mayhems
    better than crapnel anyway

    3. also fap tier slowness is crazy, my modfap has been sitting @ t5.5 for like 1/2 year using it daily

    P.S.
    this is by a one of the finest tier junkies who spent ~50k tiering just in the last 3 months - but even I have a limit comparing arso chip 3 to 4...
    Last edited by girtsn; 01-09-2019 at 08:51.
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    the bp 20 FEN costs roughly 400 ped tt for first tier which makes it for t0 to t10 a ttcost of roughly 22k peds and with mu probably around 25k peds minimum, rather looking at 27k peds. at an item cost of maybe 8k peds. so why pay 3 times the value of a gun to get it to tier 10? rather buy a bigger gun... seems to be a bad concept.
    especially regarding that nobody will ever pay you the tiering costs back in case you wanne sell it. at least not at 100% and most of the time not even at 50%. which means tiering it to 10 and then selling it will most likely yield a loss of >10k peds. for a lvl 20 pistol lol

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    Part of me agrees that the tiering system needs an overhaul, but the devil's advocate asks "what about those who have already invested hundreds of thousands into tier costs?"
    Are we supposed to just say "sucks to suck" and expect those people to eat a huge loss while the rapid tiering of other items deflates the value of their heavy investment?

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    think that was what they did with arso chip 3 anyway - or did they maybe get a compensation?
    for reference see ath #33 of arso chip 3 tier 3 by Stryker
    sure enough any re-balancing would screw someone, has not prevented to do it anyway
    in this case its one of the few ways how MA gets PEDs out of all levels of players so not getting my hopes up
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    Part of me agrees that the tiering system needs an overhaul, but the devil's advocate asks "what about those who have already invested hundreds of thousands into tier costs?"
    Are we supposed to just say "sucks to suck" and expect those people to eat a huge loss while the rapid tiering of other items deflates the value of their heavy investment?
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    I seem to remember something from 2015...

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    Tier Upgrade Tokens
    These special tokens can be used to tier up an item by one level, up to the maximum tier level indicated in the token name. Contact support with one of the Tier Upgrade Tokens in your inventory, specifying which item you would like to tier up.

    Examples:
    A Tier Upgrade Token 2 can be redeemed to raise the tier of any tier 1 item to tier 2.
    A Tier Upgrade Token 5 can be redeemed to raise the tier of any item with tier 4 or lower by one tier level.
    Not sure why they were discontinued.
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    I'm on the fence about this one. If these new weapons are meant to hold top spots in the available arsenal I'm okay with the higher tier costs. Although, I do think they should revisit the costs and maybe lower them just a tad. On the other hand, if these weapons simply get replaced in a year or two by something else much more uber -- that's really gonna suck for those that tiered them up. In which case, these tier costs should be cut in half or even more.

    There's no question several of these new items will be absolutely dominant in their respective CAT's when tiered up. My hope is that MA allows the investors time to recoup their tier costs by being able to compete in several Mayhem's for several years before they just drop Loot 3.0 weapons.

    I'm not advocating that loot 2.0 weapons simply win Mayhem every time, I'm just saying I'd like to see loot 2.0 weapons be the gold standard for a few years to come at the very least. I know personally I'm working my way up to being able to claim one of the weapons, and I know many others who are as well.

    2 cents

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    I seem to remember something from 2015...



    Not sure why they were discontinued.

    Just remember, MA is making a lot of $ on these new Loot 2.0 weapon tiers.

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    Tiering costs are insane and need adjusting, simple as that. Sure it's gonna hurt some, but I often see items selling for less than their tiering costs now due to deflation. I think most people realize that, in most circumstances, tiering costs are not going to be returned when they sell an item.



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    If tiers cost so expasive for you - just dont tier it up thats it, its not must be easy, fast and cheap. I know true reason this thread - last 3 tiers on knife. Аnd thank god that for example some crazy uber doesn't run in pvp with perfected heddoc T10 in immortal mode
    Last edited by Zayka; 12-09-2018 at 20:19.

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    If tiers cost so expasive for you - just dont tier it up thats it, its not must be easy, fast and cheap. I know true reason this thread - last 3 tiers on knife. Аnd thank god that for example some crazy uber doesn't run in pvp with perfected heddoc T10 in immortal mode
    Well said Zayka

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