Strongbox announcement

where all the chinese players are? just an example.

And how is that MAs fault that China ban all kind of games that come from other countries? :laugh:
 
you pay 1 usd to get nearly 1 usd worth of stuff that you have to use first in hope to get out as much as you put in which is... gambling. thing is you cant TT the UA.

Then it sounds like the hunting/mining is the gambling.
 
Sounds stupid. I mean you pay 1 usd per box, and get 10 ped of loot. How is it gambling if you cant lose? I know other activities that resemble gambling more...

It is gambling because there's a chance of getting higher valued stuff from the boxes. Same as with loot crates in other games that don't have a real cash conversion between in game and out of game currency. The TT is just a red herring...
 
Then it sounds like the hunting/mining is the gambling.

Depends on how you do it.

You can turn everything into gambling if you want. I've made bets on whether a train will arrive in time. :cool:
 
Depends on how you do it.

You can turn everything into gambling if you want. I've made bets on whether a train will arrive in time. :cool:

well when i buy a box for 1 usd and receive 10 ped in UA can you guarantee me with 100% certainty, that you will receive 10 ped TTable material back? if not, than its gambling.
 
you pay 1 usd to get nearly 1 usd worth of stuff that you have to use first in hope to get out as much as you put in which is... gambling. thing is you cant TT the UA.

in that case, buying ammo packs would also be considered gambling.
 
If it follows the laws passed in the Netherlands, the value the company places on the loot is not important (TT value). The market value is what is considered.

MA is even more culpable since you can cash out via the company and not through unaffiliated markets.
 
Why not rename the strongboxes "Equipment" and put in tt'able armor instead of UA? That's not gambling. It is what it is - armor for use in play. On occasion there'd be other types of equipment like rings, pills and what not like today. All tt'able.

Sure, pulling a ring is pure chance, but it's not gambling, because you cannot lose a dime (except the % transfer and currency exchange fees) in the transaction. The stuff can be tt'd and you can withdraw the money any time.

This'd make people buy even more Equipment. Put a 10 pec fee/1 % on each to help income for those who wish to cycle tons of equipment. If needed, but a monthly cap on how many can be bought.

Maybe this is a stupid suggestion overall since swedish law isn't my expertise, but there must be some loop holes. EU boxes aren't like EA boxes.
 
One thing Mindarks lawyers are missing.

If you ban certain ppl from buying lootboxes sence they are so called "gambling" and still sells lootboxes to other players/countries. Then that is a BIG BIG trap. Some can gamble som cant.... you get my drift?
Entropia will get scanned by lotteriinspektionen if this will continue.

If i where Mindark i would freeze all sales of lootboxes and come up with a new way for everyone to be able to get said items from lootboxes.

Just a friendly warning. :dunce:
 
It is gambling because there's a chance of getting higher valued stuff from the boxes. Same as with loot crates in other games that don't have a real cash conversion between in game and out of game currency. The TT is just a red herring...

then entropia gameplay is also gambling sence you can loot items with higher value you input into a mob. :)
this new law is targeting the "lust" of buying more to get more just the same as entropia hunting mining crafting works. So if lootboxes are illegal so is the entropia we know it.
And ppl still say entropia is no gamble :D
 
Sure, pulling a ring is pure chance, but it's not gambling, because you cannot lose a dime

Kitty, Rover, Panda now have 10 PED TT value ???

You can lose 10 PED !
Fact
The PETs value is just the animal essence you may get back which is 1 pec, not 10 PED.
PET itself doesn´t even have a TT value.
 
If you ban certain ppl from buying lootboxes sence they are so called "gambling" and still sells lootboxes to other players/countries. Then that is a BIG BIG trap. Some can gamble som cant.... you get my drift?

No. As I already posted elsewhere, the legal definitions of what gambling is and what is not vary from country to country and also over time depending on what local courts make out of local laws and regulations. Also, what is allowed and what is not allowed with regard to gambling differs widely and with time. Therefore, you can′t say people elsewhere were gambling too by buying l00tboxes when the applicable laws for them don′t regard this activity as gambling at all.

Kitty, Rover, Panda now have 10 PED TT value ???

You can lose 10 PED !
Fact
The PETs value is just the animal essence you may get back which is 1 pec, not 10 PED.
PET itself doesn´t even have a TT value.

Huh?? :scratch2:
As far as I know pets from boxes always come only as part of a package which does have 10 PED of TT value indeed. Nothing to lose, there.
 
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Of the 4 starter packs will Gold and Platinum be changed since both contain strongboxes and keys?
And RT starter pack is not in webshop anymore.


It is gambling because there's a chance of getting higher valued stuff from the boxes. Same as with loot crates in other games that don't have a real cash conversion between in game and out of game currency. The TT is just a red herring...
REALLY? And how do you get "higher value" strongboxes?
What is this Maximum "higher value" a strongbox gives you upon opening it?

The internet's Lootbox value argument has been: they give something of no-low value that will never be used.
Yet strongboxes give items that will be used or sold for some indescribable, uncontrollable, ever changing "value" in player-to-player agreements which means the "value" you allude to is all in the eye of the beholder.
And since 1 dollar equals 10 ped ingame as long as players can TT everything they get from strongboxes to get a return of the TT value then its not gambling... now if you argue that... then you have a case.

The internet's gambling argument is when there's a possibility that Nothing is given in exchange for money.
Does MA give less value-to-0 value from strongbox when opened?
NO.
And 1 dollar equals 10 ped ingame but can the items be quickly and easily transferred into this ped value...
There's the problem and that includes purchased starter pack items and their TT value being locked unable to traded P2P nor exchanged for TT value for a quick and easy transfer into ped.
This includes TT items from RT/HTT that are paid for by players in PEDs and are locked. Such items are left untradeable and TT returns no value means those player purchased items could be construed as outright theft or gambling. (And theft because even if those items get "used" they have 3% value left when TT'd.)

Note I agree the Free Tutorial items given in game should all be locked, their purpose is to show how to play.
Anything given by MA or partners as Gifts should not be locked.


Don't bother replying directly to me since I log on maybe once a month, I just put this here for further discussion.
 

Everyone outside of Sweden can carry on opening boxes then.

Dont open any boxes left outside of your apartment though.....
 
Kitty, Rover, Panda now have 10 PED TT value ???

You can lose 10 PED !
Fact
The PETs value is just the animal essence you may get back which is 1 pec, not 10 PED.
PET itself doesn´t even have a TT value.
You always get a pet + other loot.
Besides that converting to essence can Also get you 3 pec essence or rare essence, which has Nice markup.
 
well i forsee ALOT of sweden players that will quit the game sence ppl from sweden will be desciminated against and not have the same possibilites as others.

Why play when you are always being dealt the worst hand?

:wise:
 
Let's cook it up and eat it. No more pills!

Would be nice if you scrap the strongboxes altogether and make pills and stuff craftable.

I tend to agree with the loot boxes. abolish them.

Now as for the pills I would say that the better option would be something along the lines of cooking.. as a Friend of mined suggested why not where the loot drops couuld be some sort of meats.. We could have the miners look for spices/minerals/chemicals to put in said food (Such like Salt craystals (Salt0 we could add in other spices in the fruit walking idea (Pepper anyone) and course we could be allowed to cook (and get skills for that, including Chemisry and cooking..

(After all, cooks are chemists and they know how to cook)

The foods that they produce could be crafted per se (Over a new Cooking Terminal which would be much like a crafting terminal.and the finished products when consumed would be able to give a buff to a person for a set time
(6 to 24 hours say)

In short get rid of the loot boxes pills and make it wehre we can craft food that we can eat and thus purchase and consume, giving us buffs (like for 24 hours at most

Just a thought process that came out of a friend of mine.

(Sgt._ Benjamin Ben Coyote (IFN Marines)
a.k.a. "The Blind Sniper"and "His_Dog_Spt"
 
This is bad. Shut them boxes down for everyone. This aint going to end well..lol

Cheers!:shots:
Robo
 
Shut down boxes, i never got anything out of em anyway.

solution was under everybody noise, with a cryptocoin this whould not happen, it was safer to play and also safer to handle as long as the coin gets the value on the market. 10kammo 1 coin and problem solved, the more the ammo get purchased the more the coin gets valuable.

u closed an awesome project like the deeptoken one that looks at future to ask people to use VPN that is a big step back in time.
U were worried about security? well lets face it, neverdie wallet is more secure than entropia universe account login. for real
Even if the start was not as expected you should have pursued it according to my opinion, now you would not had this problem anyway

Sell the company to Neverdie and we use ndc.

I think wat i just said is about to create a huge discussion, ahah, more drama prepare popcorn.
 
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Shut down boxes, i never got anything out of em anyway.

solution was under everybody noise, with a cryptocoin this whould not happen, it was safer to play and also safer to handle as long as the coin gets the value on the market. 10kammo 1 coin and problem solved, the more the ammo get purchased the more the coin gets valuable.

u closed an awesome project like the deeptoken one that looks at future to ask people to use VPN that is a big step back in time.
U were worried about security? well lets face it, neverdie wallet is more secure than entropia universe account login. for real
Even if the start was not as expected you should have pursued it according to my opinion, now you would not had this problem anyway

Sell the company to Neverdie and we use ndc.

I think wat i just said is about to create a huge discussion, ahah, more drama prepare popcorn.


Wait a second.....

Did you just say that deeptoken was an awesome project and that they should sell EU to ND? wtf?

Cuz you know, Rock is such a successful planet and deeptokens and that whole ordeal was not shady at all....
 
Wait a second.....

Did you just say that deeptoken was an awesome project and that they should sell EU to ND? wtf?

Cuz you know, Rock is such a successful planet and deeptokens and that whole ordeal was not shady at all....

Im a known big fan of ND and i cant do anything about it.
Im also a fan of mindark or woudnt be playing entropia.
Im also a fan of Lord British since the Ultima Online series.

I was a fan of Jerkrot tho i tought he was probably too young but when he went out with the cryptoproject i saw in him a dude who was goin toward the future and not limited to the actual boundaries of our financial system. this Lootbox issue is just a little example of how u can be limited by economical interest.

Gambling is a issue no more than life itself. In life we gamble all the time, its about strategy, and also about luck, every step we take is a step that will define ourself and our future, in the better or in the worste, thats pure GAMBLING. So you can say people can be addicted to gambling, but id say more people are addicted to life.
The boundaries that our financial system put to gambling are ridiculous, hiding themself on addiction when theyre sole purpose is to scam money from taxes and to keep control over it as long as it turn billions around. They dont say u cant gamble coz its unhealty, they say u can gamble but were we do want you to.

Im not saying entropia is gambling, nor it should be, but as long as im up for freedom, i wouldnt mind a casino planet in the fking middle of universe with real slots and poker so they can defnally cut the crap out and get rid of explosive projectiles without losing players or money.

Well, cryptocoin would have taken all the problems away, legally speaking, and the blockchain makes cheating almost impossible, plus, they idea they had with the new id control system was even better as long as u can publicly put a face behind the transaction. With the blockchain u cannot create coins u dont have, so also the problem of 10million ped ingame and 100kdollar on the bank account would have defnally been fixed.

Yes crypto does float according to demand, that floating is also healty, very healty, as long as the game itself assumes the value it really has, and some people would be surprised how it could change for the better.

Now regarding Neverdie:
Rocktopia IS amazing
Rocktopia does have a Governement system player runned, they do weekly reunion and they actually do at least discuss player issues and problem.
Rocktopia does have a lot of very huge scores by players
Rocktopia has events everyweek for all kind of players
Rocktopia does have a lot of Haters, due to many reason but the biggest ones i think are ,economical speculation and personal feelings towards neverdie. As long as he was a player after all, i just had the luck to know him when he already became a pp.
NeverdieCoin is secure, very
NeverdieCoin is insurable, u can actually buy an insurance and protect your wallet asset value
NeverdieCoin despite its value it will never die.
NeverdieCoin is easy sustainable, the value of the coin varies according to demand.
NeverdieCoin is ment to be a crossplatform token, makes it safer for the investor as long as if mindark dies, your money are still usable, valuable, ped are not.
NeverdieCoin is a little expensive due to being connected to eth u gotta pay gas fees, that the biggest issue i know so far, but that could be avoided securing an internal coin exchange system and only when transfering coin to wallet you would then have to pay gas fees, for sure much less than actual withdrawing fees.

Neverdie might not be perfect, but fk if hes doing watever he can to make his project a success. mindark pulled out as long as the big investor decided not to.


I like mindark too tho, but i rather prefered seeing my tokens at 0.00001 dollar value than see them refounded. that really pissed me more than the fact i never had any big hofs or the fact that space never got developed at all or that compet was a failure.
 
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This is just the dumbest thing I ever heared. I really want to open boxes and get that ring .........
 
Great opportunity for MA to put the seasonal rings in the actual mob lootpool, and make all pills tradable.
 
Great opportunity for MA to put the seasonal rings in the actual mob lootpool, and make all pills tradable.

Just make it event rewards, problem solved.
 
Since FEN items could drop in loot, activity and CLD payout went through the roof.
Abolish boxes, abolish tokens.. items in loot!
 
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