Suggestion: Some moderation for certain global channels

It would really great if there was some sort of light moderation (warnings, chat restrictions, etc) for certain global channels such as #calytrade or #arktrade, this could be done by advisers, officials, or even carefully selected trusted players could be given limited "chat mod" powers, almost anything is better than nothing currently.

Not that I'm saying it's completely horrible, but it's an extremely regular occurence for me to see people bickering, spamming unrelated advertisements, or just plainly spamming extremely excessively in #calytrade and other such channels, which is frustrating because my only option is to block players which feels bad and potentially prevents me from seeing actually worthwhile messages those players may or may not write in the future.

I don't think such moderation would take a huge amount of focus or manpower and I think once the rules that are pretty much unspoken common sense at the moment are enforced a bit people will adjust their behavior accordingly and stop using #calytrade as a platform to attack other players or advertise completely random stuff pretty quickly.

nice idea, but Mindark for ages has indicated in support tickets that they cannot do it. It would be nice but it'll never happen, at least not without some major changes taking place.

Another option is to just ignore the bickering/unrelated posts yourself and only look at the trade ones...its pretty easy to tell between them.

At least for Arkadian channels, they are pretty much self-moderated. Any trade spammer in regular chat, even a single occurrence by accident, attracts flaming rebukes reliably. Of the regular stuff, anyone overdoing it or being annoying ends up on everybody's ignore list quickly. There are noticeably different cultures on different planets, e.g. Rocktropians tend to be a lot more relaxed about it. I don't think you'll find a moderation style or extent that suits everybody.

The personal ignore list is the single most powerful tool in this regard and I haven't found a case where this is not sufficient, save for those justiciable which warrant a support case anyway. And it puts the filter into your own hands, no need to rely on someone who won't ever be able to be agreeable with everybody's individual borderline anyway. Besides, nobody works without reward, be it in form of money or power. One has to be budgeted somehow, and the other is simply toxic even with best intentions.

quite a bunch of people get kicked out of channels at every login. i think they should really fix that first, before considering your suggestion.

also the moderation possibility for chat channels is already there, we just don't use it properly, as this is EU and not IRC. it has lead to several questionable situations already, where people get thrown out of channels from its mods because of personal issues (remember space drama and things like that).

i got mixed feelings, and to be honest, i couldn't care less about chatchannel moderation - but i do care about bugs that piss me off on every login. not too unreasonable, huh?

theProphet said:

quite a bunch of people get kicked out of channels at every login. i think they should really fix that first, before considering your suggestion.

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THIS!

once this is fixed i would volunteer to mute some Fappers in #calytrade and vice-versa.

There's nothing to keep you from starting a moderated #cleantrade or similar to see how much effort it takes and how much better it is.

Moi, I don't think it's worth it.

The block user function works well.

Block them for a week, if they're still messing about block them for 2 weeks, then 3 weeks etc.

Far better than MA paying someone to monitor chat 24/7.

Aren't all of those user created channels? If so then whoever creates them should be responsible not MA.

Maybe force a 5min/msg limit on trade channels. Or something like that. Super easy to implement.

theProphet said:

quite a bunch of people get kicked out of channels at every login. i think they should really fix that first, before considering your suggestion.

also the moderation possibility for chat channels is already there, we just don't use it properly, as this is EU and not IRC. it has lead to several questionable situations already, where people get thrown out of channels from its mods because of personal issues (remember space drama and things like that).

i got mixed feelings, and to be honest, i couldn't care less about chatchannel moderation - but i do care about bugs that piss me off on every login. not too unreasonable, huh?

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yes they are not getting enough support cases submitted...FYI there is a support case button in the action library...i submit more now faster and easier ... but they obviously don't hear enough whining about nagging bugs like this chat kicking. please submit a case for the sake of the community.

Orion said:

THIS!

once this is fixed i would volunteer to mute some Fappers in #calytrade and vice-versa.

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agreed ths is a huge problem for me.. every login have to leave some and re-join others.. 100% of the time. Its soo annoying

Aloisius said:

yes they are not getting enough support cases submitted...FYI there is a support case button in the action library...i submit more now faster and easier ... but they obviously don't hear enough whining about nagging bugs like this chat kicking. please submit a case for the sake of the community.

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it doesn't make sense, they're clearly ignoring them. and poor support guys, it's not their fault!

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Darkaruki said:

It would really great if there was some sort of light moderation (warnings, chat restrictions, etc) for certain global channels such as #calytrade or #arktrade, this could be done by advisers, officials, or even carefully selected trusted players could be given limited "chat mod" powers, almost anything is better than nothing currently.

Not that I'm saying it's completely horrible, but it's an extremely regular occurence for me to see people bickering, spamming unrelated advertisements, or just plainly spamming extremely excessively in #calytrade and other such channels, which is frustrating because my only option is to block players which feels bad and potentially prevents me from seeing actually worthwhile messages those players may or may not write in the future.

I don't think such moderation would take a huge amount of focus or manpower and I think once the rules that are pretty much unspoken common sense at the moment are enforced a bit people will adjust their behavior accordingly and stop using #calytrade as a platform to attack other players or advertise completely random stuff pretty quickly.

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yeah, just what we want. More censorship.
1984, here we come!

Stop wanting to silence people!
Just ignore folks you don't want to hear and your problem is solved.

When I log it, it tells me: You have 36 people at your ignore list!

Works for me good enough

wizz said:

yeah, just what we want. More censorship.
1984, here we come!

Stop wanting to silence people!
Just ignore folks you don't want to hear and your problem is solved.

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What an absurd reply, this isn't censorship or limiting free speech, it's advocating that basic common sense rules are enforced on a limited basis inside of certain channels that nearly every active player is subscribed to in an online video game.

Do you also think me banning people who make PCF accounts to spam posts/threads/blogs to advertise completely random products also is limiting free speech, censoring people, and represents the coming of totalitarian surveillance state?

Do you also think a child who is kicking and screaming and crying being escorted out of the classroom by the teacher and told he needs to calm down because others are trying to learn is limiting free speech, censoring people, and represents the coming of a totalitarian surveillance state?

Absolutely insane. I can't believe what I've just read. What a ridiculous reply.

As for the half dozen replies that bring up completely unrelated issues in this thread for no explainable reason:

You can create threads for these issues and discuss them separately, I don't understand the obsession some people seem to have with angrily screaming about unrelated problems almost every time I make a thread to make a suggestion or raise awareness for an issue in the game. It's impolite, illogical, and immature. You're just as capable of making threads yourselves, are you not?


Lastly, regarding the half dozen people smugly advising that everybody simply block everybody else who is using channels that nearly every player is subscribed to incorrectly, not only is this an incredibly inefficient solution, but often times the players which use these channels incorrectly by overly spamming, spamming unrelated services, or simply use them as platforms to bicker and waste everybody's time are also the very same players who use these channels, at times, correctly, and therefore blocking them as opposed to having them be officially warned and/or have their ability to use these channels restricted temporarily is a completely dysfunctional non-solution.

I already explained this problem in brief in my original post, which I'm guessing nobody even bothers reading before euphorically announcing to me that there is a block feature in this game? Not sure.

Well it is the trade channel, so it is especially made to SPAM trade messages.

In between we find some heal service, which is not completely wrong although there is a FAP channel too.

And finally its fairly much used to spam events, like the SSI, some LA events or advertise for other things.

This people all use the tradechannel, wrong, but I cant care less and those are not that people on my ignore list.

Where do you want to start and where does it end.

Actually if some new player needs help, he gets much better help and serious answers in trade than in rookie.

If someone seeks a special event mob, like HogDiabolos, he gets the pos much faster in tradechannel than anywhere else, well maybe FAP is faster depends who is on and not busy

Do you want kick all from channel because they ask in wrong channel ?

What spam is it that anoys you?
The noob asking every 2min to sell his 2k sweat ?
The reseller offering trash items again and again, although its unlikely he sell anything of it within a reasonable time.
The serious trader, who asks to buy ore/enmatter once to often?
Or is it the guy who has to many Rubios and Azuros?

As said, its tradechannel especially made to spam offers and advertise your things.

Its good how it is, I really can´t see a need for moderation.

Sometimes it even becomes fun, when people start to discuss something non trade related, you would completely miss if they wouldn´t do it in trade

Beside that there is always the option to send a PM, most people read that and reply to that.
Point them to the propper channel, if you think its wrong in trade.

If it gets really extrem then well, block list.
The 36 people on my ignore list are there for a reason, and with that kind of people who are there, I really don´t want do any trades or relationships, simple because they proved their immatureness, dickheadness or some bullying or even worse a scam attempt to me, and they dont listen to what was told them in PM, so give a shit about them.
So even if this people use trade channel as it is intended anywhere in the future, I cant care less if I dont see it.

Its easy as that.

Beside that 36 people ignored in over 10 years, speaks for a fairly mature playerbase!
In some other games, there is real problems in the chats, here in EU its mostly cool.

There is option to make your own channels, and allso the ignore option. All of wich are liberal sandbox options suiting to this game. Who should decide what is ok to say?? Maybe I like what I see and you dont?

No way, MA is understaffed as it is... let's not have them wasting resources moderating the in-game chat channels.

krogfan said:

There is option to make your own channels, and allso the ignore option. All of wich are liberal sandbox options suiting to this game. Who should decide what is ok to say?? Maybe I like what I see and you dont?

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Making your own channel isn't an option, there are a couple channels that nearly every player is subscribed to. (repeating myself x1)
There is an ignore option, it's at best an extremely inefficient solution and at worse an anti-solution. (repeating myself x2)
Common sense, non-trade related things and excessive spamming don't belong in a trade channel. (repeating myself x3)

Yeah, for sure, I'm already picturing some situations where we might have completely different opinions. You got me.

[12:00:51] Player: WTS!![ArMatrix LR-45], [ArMatrix LR-50],[ArMatrix LR-55],[ArMatrix LR-60],[ArMatrix LR-65],[ArMatrix LR-70],[ArMatrix LR-75],[ArMatrix LR-80],[ArMatrix LR-85],[ArMatrix LR-90],[ArMatrix LR-95],[ArMatrix LR-100],[ArMatrix LR-105],[ArMatrix LR-110],[ArMatrix LR-115]!!
[12:00:52] Player: WTS!![ArMatrix LR-45], [ArMatrix LR-50],[ArMatrix LR-55],[ArMatrix LR-60],[ArMatrix LR-65],[ArMatrix LR-70],[ArMatrix LR-75],[ArMatrix LR-80],[ArMatrix LR-85],[ArMatrix LR-90],[ArMatrix LR-95],[ArMatrix LR-100],[ArMatrix LR-105],[ArMatrix LR-110],[ArMatrix LR-115]!!
[12:00:52] Player: WTS!![ArMatrix LR-45], [ArMatrix LR-50],[ArMatrix LR-55],[ArMatrix LR-60],[ArMatrix LR-65],[ArMatrix LR-70],[ArMatrix LR-75],[ArMatrix LR-80],[ArMatrix LR-85],[ArMatrix LR-90],[ArMatrix LR-95],[ArMatrix LR-100],[ArMatrix LR-105],[ArMatrix LR-110],[ArMatrix LR-115]!!
[12:00:53] Player: WTS!![ArMatrix LR-45], [ArMatrix LR-50],[ArMatrix LR-55],[ArMatrix LR-60],[ArMatrix LR-65],[ArMatrix LR-70],[ArMatrix LR-75],[ArMatrix LR-80],[ArMatrix LR-85],[ArMatrix LR-90],[ArMatrix LR-95],[ArMatrix LR-100],[ArMatrix LR-105],[ArMatrix LR-110],[ArMatrix LR-115]!!
[12:00:54] Player: WTS!![ArMatrix LR-45], [ArMatrix LR-50],[ArMatrix LR-55],[ArMatrix LR-60],[ArMatrix LR-65],[ArMatrix LR-70],[ArMatrix LR-75],[ArMatrix LR-80],[ArMatrix LR-85],[ArMatrix LR-90],[ArMatrix LR-95],[ArMatrix LR-100],[ArMatrix LR-105],[ArMatrix LR-110],[ArMatrix LR-115]!!
[12:00:55] Player: WTS!![ArMatrix LR-45], [ArMatrix LR-50],[ArMatrix LR-55],[ArMatrix LR-60],[ArMatrix LR-65],[ArMatrix LR-70],[ArMatrix LR-75],[ArMatrix LR-80],[ArMatrix LR-85],[ArMatrix LR-90],[ArMatrix LR-95],[ArMatrix LR-100],[ArMatrix LR-105],[ArMatrix LR-110],[ArMatrix LR-115]!!

Me: Wow, really excessive spam, somebody needs to tell that guy to tone it down.

You: I like what I see!

[12:00:51] Player: everybody !! this player is a piece of garbage! i hate him!!
[12:01:20] Player 2: i hate this guy he is dumb and a scammer!
[12:04:16] Player 3: anyone else here like think entropia is dumb?
[12:06:35] Player 4: What is a "Daikiba"?

Me: Wow, this has nothing to do with trading on calypso.

You: I like what I see!!!

[12:00:51] Player: Come hunt on my land area please!
[12:03:20] Player 2: Come hunt on my land area please!
[12:06:20] Player 3: Come hunt on my land area please!
[12:11:16] Player: Come hunt on my land area please!
[12:03:20] Player 2: Come hunt on my land area please!
[12:16:35] Player 3: Come hunt on my land area please!

Me: Wow, this has nothing to do with trading on calypso.

You: I like what I see!!!

Darkaruki said:

What an absurd reply, this isn't censorship or limiting free speech, it's advocating that basic common sense rules are enforced on a limited basis inside of certain channels that nearly every active player is subscribed to in an online video game.

Do you also think me banning people who make PCF accounts to spam posts/threads/blogs to advertise completely random products also is limiting free speech, censoring people, and represents the coming of totalitarian surveillance state?

Do you also think a child who is kicking and screaming and crying being escorted out of the classroom by the teacher and told he needs to calm down because others are trying to learn is limiting free speech, censoring people, and represents the coming of a totalitarian surveillance state?

Absolutely insane. I can't believe what I've just read. What a ridiculous reply.

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It's not a bs reply. It's a bs proposal!
This is the start to further censorship.

As with al these things, it always starts with little steps so we don't notice the process.

Like the frog in a pan on the stove...

If you preech common sense, well, then preach it! Ask people tpo change their behavior to your standards if you dont like it.

And if you don't like it, accept it, ignore them, and go on with your usual business.

No need for moderators to silence people!


also, don't compare us with little children who needs to be corrected!
So, who is the teacher then? you?

We're all adults and if some adults can't behave. Ignore them.
Don't patronize them with your standards.

Let fools be fools and just ignore them.

Stop censoring!


And just to add to that, if people really cross a line, well, then MA will look into that and possibly ban the person.
That's more than enough.

I am with others on this as well. With the current system which allows individuals to be accountable for their own actions and others to act accordingly, I feel there is no need for moderation on global channels. Ignore is a function i use quite extensively and while using it, I know that it also means that i do not want to converse with the individual irrespective of circumstances. I can un-ignore ( if that's even a word) individuals if i chose to. However the choice is mine.

EU is a game and opinions can vary. Moderation would imply a set of rules ( be it individual opinions or standardised) being applied everywhere which i feel is a waste of resource and an over complication of the issue.

Trade channel is currently used for both goods and aervices. I believe one of the main advantages to having the channel is to keep main chats clear and also for interplanetary trade. If theres any issue i aee its more in the same 10 people fighting to be the most recent post and over spam so if you scroll up you see theyre post 15x. Its like trade wars in there. Maybe a forced 10-15min delay between posts in that channel might help

Darkaruki said:

Do you also think me banning people who make PCF accounts to spam posts/threads/blogs to advertise completely random products also is limiting free speech, censoring people, and represents the coming of totalitarian surveillance state?

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You are comparing apples and oranges here. The way a forum works and the way a chat works are different. Forum represents data which is going to remain on the web (persistent data) and too much of junk data would interfere with everyone's ability to search for quality information and google would penalize the ranking of the forum as well . Such is not the case with our current asynchronous chat system where data is only persistent on individual basis ( provided you choose chat logging and again are in a habit of reviewing that data which i doubt more then a handful traders would actually do) and simply ignoring individuals solves the problem ( when i say problem here it means my interpretation of how a person should/should not behave on the channel).

narfi said:

Aren't all of those user created channels? If so then whoever creates them should be responsible not MA.

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This,

Maybe create your own or would make more sense for MA to make official trade, healing, event etc. channels for every planet/moon/asteroid etc.

It’s not exactly easy for players to find the correct channels suited for their needs unless they ask and someone refers them to their preferred player created channel.
Not to mention constantly being booted out of these channels due to a chat bug after relog.

Geo

Heres a real joke.. I was just messing around trying to get my custom channels to stick.. well I broke em all. Now it leaves them all every login and joins.... get this.... #spacemining!!!! now there's a useful channel! rofl Now I cant even get rid of that one any which way..lol