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Or until the combobulator happens. GZ. The whips hofs will mess your tracking now real good HA!...untill the hof for 95+% return happens....
Or until the combobulator happens. GZ. The whips hofs will mess your tracking now real good HA!...untill the hof for 95+% return happens....
Or until the combobulator happens. GZ. The whips hofs will mess your tracking now real good HA!
ofc someone who can depo $20000 will have it way easier than someone who can depo only $200, no arguing there.
or someone can reserve a little of theyre montly avaiability for investments
that only works if you have some money to spare. But for those who have to choose between food and money for EU, it's not an option...
that only works if you have some money to spare. But for those who have to choose between food and money for EU, it's not an option...
how's that not a joke? How did i deserve a 4.6k mining tower after 6 month mostly EP I crafting over someone who was mining for 4+ years and never seen a tower? please explain.
if the game doesn't give the necessary multipliers (you are unlucky), you can change your play style as much as you want, it doesn't help at all...
that only works if you have some money to spare. But for those who have to choose between food and money for EU, it's not an option...
No. You actually don't need high levels of multipliers necessarily, you can also adjust your play style in order to compensate for this instead of mindlessly grinding like some well known 'ubers' do that lose.
You can ride out times that are offering bad return and bad/few multipliers by instead during that time changing what you are doing.
If you scale back your hunting, instead focus on missions and small things in order to ride out the bad times, relocate planets and switch to things that have a different pattern to their payout, you can properly mitigate the times that are harsh.
Otherwise, you will get fleeced.
Some mobs pay out in ways that require lots of larger multipliers to get their markup, others require small multipliers.
Some mobs don't even need a multiplier to drop certain things that are worthwhile.
Sometimes the system will take from you, and no you shouldn't just assume it's going to pay you back suddenly.
Switch what you are doing if it isn't working for you.
Correct, and I agree that you shouldn't be playing this game.
No. You actually don't need high levels of multipliers necessarily, you can also adjust your play style in order to compensate for this instead of mindlessly grinding like some well known 'ubers' do that lose.
You can ride out times that are offering bad return and bad/few multipliers by instead during that time changing what you are doing.
Correct, and I agree that you shouldn't be playing this game.
well, if being 1800 PED behind 95% return on a 1.8 PED per click craft on quantity, then a high level multiplier is necessary to make the jump to 95% return, a times 10 or 50 simply wouldn't do it.
i've tried changing crafts, to mining, to hunt, different locations, different mobs so often , it never worked. When it's bad, then it's bad everywhere.
The only thing that worked for me is to play significantly less, no more crafting all day long but instead only craft for maybe an hour per day and condition crafting instead of quantity. For some very odd reason that works out better than playing all day and crafting quantity...
Why should i not? I'm quite good at it, even though i may not like some things....
I can understand new players leaving very quickly, if they run into the same issues, they arrive, see MA taking a cut of 20-25% (bad return run) and then may just leave the game right away...
For me it it's not fun either to have the ped card refilled, long list of stuff to do and then not being able to even do half of it, because the game has it's week where everything's bad...
As far i understand you from previous posts .. you dont depo much , you dont loose much , you dont spend any time research or doing something just sitting and clicking but yet you cry over bad returns .
You're wrong as to not doing research and just sitting there and clicking...
As it goes for bad return, 4k clicks 79% return, maxed out BP, quantity crafting.
For condition crafting such return is okay in my opinion, that's the gambling mode?
For quantity not so much, because quantity is supposed to be the non-gambling mode?
Can't be too much to ask, to change the game back to:
1+k clicks - 90+% return when crafting quantity
So you not making any mu in hoping of loot expensive bp ? Isnt that nut to expect profits in long term ?
Good to see that thread has developed but...
You started discussing so called "bad returns". You treat the mechanics of Entropia in a way that is a little mysterious to me. From my perspective, thing as good or bad returns do not exist. Why?
Example:
I deposited 2000 USD in 2018. I did some hunts/craft/mining and here I am in 2019 with only 900 USD of my money. MindArk took 1100 USD in 2018 from me! Because of bad returns, because of bad mechanics, because of bad everything.
Wrong - MindArk did not take 1100 USD from you. You deposited 2000 USD and this money is entirely MindArk's money. Not yours. Not anymore. It was your choice to pay them 2000 USD. If it harms you then remember - volenti fit non iniuria. MindArk guarantees to withdraw you only the value of your deposits from the past 6 months. Only deposits - not winnings. This is not Real Cash Economy - this is Real Cash Economy Experience.
MindArk payment model they developed assumes that you pay for the product in the moment of performing in-game activities - that means, in the long run, player community will always loose.
You pay when you play - no monthly subscription fee, no buy to play, no free to play (it's more like free to log-in). Remember, you can always enter restaurant and watch other people eat. But when you want to join them, nobody will serve you food for free.
The source of your problem is lack of comprehension for some obvious facts. MindArk's a company, not a small one. They hire 44 (Linked-in says now 50) employees. They must pay salaries, bonuses, office rent, external services, bills, their assets depreciate. They must pay taxes, government liabilities. The way you pay for the game is simple - the gameplay itself is a method of payment. That is why most of you mostly loose, and will loose because nobody will work at MindArk for free, and nobody will provide any free services to MindArk too.
Do not consider your "return" bad or good. Consider all deposited money your payment for MA. Good thing here is that it depends entirely on you how much you wanna play. The object of discussion could be more how much must you pay for a one hour of entertainment on level 1, 10, 20, 50 or 100. We should discuss for how long our 100USD will allow us to play on a certain level.
The 'game' is of course determined by chance, means some of you will have better returns, most of you probably very bad. But all of you must pay. Let's stick to the topic please. Don't try to prove me wrong by saying that a colleague of a colleague started 8 years ago and did not deposit at all.
Most of you pay. You pay for using of the product - some of you enter the restaurant and order water and bread, some of you pay straight for a Cristal and truffles. As I said, you can always enter the restaurant and watch other people eat. You can also decide not to eat at that restaurant, because the bill is too high and there is no value for money. But comprehend one simple fact - you will always loose. Core Entropia gameplay is the method of payment.
Regards,
boring_player
Fuirthermore, a part that you totally overlook is the economy part.
You can make money without killing a single mob, without touching the crafting machine and without ever dropping a bomb.
The Entropia core gameplay (hunting/mining/crafting etc) is the method of payment.
Anyone can answer these question officially ?
Here comes the real question on MA/EU - Real Cash Economy,
Assuming everything is legal and did not breach any critical terms and conditions.
1. If I deposit $100 within 6 months, and I hit an ATH of $10,000. How much can I withdraw in cash ?
2. If I don't deposit within 6 months, and I sweat a lots, trade a lots and hit an ATH of $10,000. How much can I withdraw in cash ?
What shady you see about MA paying withdraws on ? Yes sometime they do checks were is need but thats normal - its real cash economy whit real money beign deposit/withdraw .
I personal have withdraw near 20x times more than i have deposit from the time i play
Thanks bro for replying.
Because I never withdraw before. Thus, I don't know and I ask.
OP is talking about 6 months period of time applied and amounts of withdrawal is restricted to the amounts you deposited. Should not be anyone here concern about it?
Thanks bro for replying.
Because I never withdraw before. Thus, I don't know and I ask.
OP is talking about 6 months period of time applied and amounts of withdrawal is restricted to the amounts you deposited. Should not be anyone here concern about it?
This is only for pay pal or whatever .
This is only for pay pal or whatever . Its not for bank transer and credit/debit cards
Ps there is plenty of people did withdraws in 2018 i really dont see were this panic came from
https://www.planetcalypsoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?275754-Current-Withdrawal-time
Thanks again for the clarification.
For your info, I understood and experienced before.
OP please withdraw you confusing discussion on TOC relating to restriction on withdrawal within 6 months and amounts of deposits. Unless you are SUPER confident about it.
It was not me who came up with this. In the moment of writing my articles I did not know about the 6-month rule. I understand that deposits made in the last 6 months are guaranteed minimum. As long as they have money and good will, they will pay you if you request the withdrawal. But if their financial condition will be worse than now (and now it is not too good) they probably can legally reject your withdrawal request.
They have put this 6 month rule in their Terms of Use & EULA to protect themselves from lawsuits form players if they ever went bankrupt.
As long as they can afford withdrawals they will do it to stay credible. (as they have about 1 million USD only on their account they probably cover the withdrawals with current inflow of money like strongboxes etc).
Simply, this 6 month rule fully cover their ass from legal perspective in case of a bankruptcy.
Can you quote MindArks EULA and Terms of Use to prove it? From what I read, it applies to all payment methods.
It was not me who came up with this. In the moment of writing my articles I did not know about the 6-month rule. I understand that deposits made in the last 6 months are guaranteed minimum. As long as they have money and good will, they will pay you if you request the withdrawal. But if their financial condition will be worse than now (and now it is not too good) they probably can legally reject your withdrawal request.
They have put this 6 month rule in their Terms of Use & EULA to protect themselves from lawsuits form players if they ever went bankrupt.
As long as they can afford withdrawals they will do it to stay credible. (as they have about 1 million USD only on their account they probably cover the withdrawals with current inflow of money like strongboxes etc).
Simply, this 6 month rule fully cover their ass from legal perspective in case of a bankruptcy.
Can you quote MindArks EULA and Terms of Use to prove it? From what I read, it applies to all payment methods.
I did it intentionally - I said that:
In other MMO you can also trade to make some virtual money and pay a subscription fee with it.
You can also search for fruits for the next 10 years, gather 2000 ped, withdraw 200USD and brag that you make money playing online MMO. Core gameplay is and will be Entropia's method of payment. If you do those activities you must expect that MindArk will charge you for their services. Basta.
In other MMO you can also trade to make some virtual money and pay a subscription fee with it.