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    Question Smilgs Q1: is there someone seriously working on the ingame balancing?

    Some things wrt. balancing and fair distribution have been going wrong for years - is there anyone actively looking into how to sort them out? In my opinion such things are more important than e.g. completely revamping the way mouse is used ingame which seems to take a lot of effort of the involved teams as without a healthy economy and competition, there is nothing to use the mouse / keyboard for.

    * unbalanced distribution of loots (last evidence FEN event 2nd phase) - there have been waves, first to login to an event / area, over-amping, server restarts, significant drops for returning avatars, better chances for often switching the target, newcomer hofs, etc.

    * unbalanced tier system - components like higher gems, T7+ components practically unavailable, the costs of which are aligned with 2008 pricing not 2018 pricing of the items to tier, tiers that have not moved up 1/10 using an item daily for years, arso chip IV having 10x tier cost increase over arso chip III while being maybe 2x better

    * unbalanced items - introduction of soulbound items on other planets which has really no place in RCE, release of east ring 2016, release of new crit buff items just before removing their return effects

    * fen item drops - 72 total items, 3 avatars looted 17 items (~24%), 7 avatars looted 26 items (~36%)

    Castorian Combat Mace Mk.VI FEN Edition Penethol Junkman Bloodsteel Sat, 15 Dec 2018 6:04:47 1 6 rare
    Castorian Combat Mace Mk.VI FEN Edition Penethol Junkman Bloodsteel Thu, 13 Dec 2018 15:58:33 1 6 rare
    Corrosive Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition Penethol Junkman Bloodsteel Thu, 20 Dec 2018 8:14:11 1 6 rare
    Kaiser-Graf HVMR-2 FEN Edition Penethol Junkman Bloodsteel Fri, 25 Jan 2019 3:47:41 1 6 rare
    Skildek Negator FEN Edition Penethol Junkman Bloodsteel Wed, 23 Jan 2019 5:38:31 1 6 rare
    Thorifoid Berserker Mace FEN Edition Penethol Junkman Bloodsteel Tue, 25 Dec 2018 16:15:50 1 6 rare
    Kaiser-Graf HVMR-2 FEN Edition Eve Evey Everglades Thu, 31 Jan 2019 5:10:01 1 6 rare
    Kinetic Attack Nanochip XV FEN Edition. Item discovered in Merry Mayhem: FFA 5 Eve Evey Everglades Sun, 30 Dec 2018 23:59:27 1 6 disco
    Kinetic Attack Nanochip XV FEN Edition Eve Evey Everglades Sun, 30 Dec 2018 23:59:27 1 6 rare
    Kinetic Attack Nanochip XV FEN Edition Eve Evey Everglades Sun, 30 Dec 2018 23:59:27 1 6 rare
    Skildek Negator FEN Edition Eve Evey Everglades Fri, 25 Jan 2019 0:45:50 1 6 rare
    Skildek Negator FEN Edition Eve Evey Everglades Thu, 24 Jan 2019 12:30:57 1 6 rare
    Castorian Combat Mace Mk.VI FEN Edition Gaina Messi91 Cristi Tue, 18 Dec 2018 5:33:30 1 5 rare
    Electric Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition Gaina Messi91 Cristi Fri, 18 Jan 2019 2:32:38 1 5 rare
    Electric Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition Gaina Messi91 Cristi Thu, 03 Jan 2019 7:36:08 1 5 rare
    Improved Fast Aid Pack FEN Edition Gaina Messi91 Cristi Mon, 17 Dec 2018 1:54:17 1 5 rare
    Skildek Negator FEN Edition Gaina Messi91 Cristi Wed, 23 Jan 2019 14:52:09 1 5 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Ionut xHyper Manuel Mon, 07 Jan 2019 1:21:36 1 3 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Ionut xHyper Manuel Wed, 02 Jan 2019 2:26:14 1 3 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Ionut xHyper Manuel Sat, 05 Jan 2019 1:06:34 1 3 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Dr Ing George Tue, 22 Jan 2019 2:41:08 1 2 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Dr Ing George Fri, 1 Feb 2019 1:16:09 1 2 rare
    Kaiser-Graf HVMR-2 FEN Edition Rute KILLER Marlene Fri, 25 Jan 2019 7:23:23 1 2 rare
    Skildek Negator FEN Edition Rute KILLER Marlene Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:07:19 1 2 rare
    Castorian Combat Mace Mk.VI FEN Edition WUDI MEIREN TIANXIA Wed, 02 Jan 2019 6:00:07 1 2 rare
    Lacerating Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition WUDI MEIREN TIANXIA Sun, 06 Jan 2019 5:37:13 1 2 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Alaric Von Lazarath Thu, 10 Jan 2019 14:50:14 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Alexander Dagaon Aref Tue, 18 Dec 2018 18:05:15 1 1 rare
    Electric Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition Andova Andie the Wise Mon, 17 Dec 2018 22:22:05 1 1 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Andreas Andy Gamble Sat, 19 Jan 2019 22:50:30 1 1 rare
    Corrosive Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition Banna tBANNA ARHItARtDES Mon, 28 Jan 2019 0:41:33 1 1 rare
    Lacerating Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition Cerb Hulk Beris Wed, 23 Jan 2019 7:02:29 1 1 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Deathstalker Atrox Killer Juggernaut Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:02:59 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Dolph Ninja Listesen Fri, 28 Dec 2018 12:44:23 1 1 rare
    Kaiser-Graf HVMR-2 FEN Edition Fat Fock Frank Thu, 24 Jan 2019 0:54:28 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Feng Huan SecretAznMan Zho Fri, 25 Jan 2019 2:07:38 1 1 rare
    Great Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Ford Zippo LincolnMercury Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:20:49 1 1 rare
    Skildek Negator FEN Edition Frida AND1 Fridis Tue, 29 Jan 2019 20:28:04 1 1 rare
    Corrosive Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition frolic fric dogfood Thu, 31 Jan 2019 14:47:03 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Fun Lex HOF Mon, 17 Dec 2018 18:12:56 1 1 rare
    Skildek Negator FEN Edition Gechka Gechka Gencinis Thu, 24 Jan 2019 9:33:42 1 1 rare
    Improved Fast Aid Pack FEN Edition Girts Smilgs Niedra Thu, 20 Dec 2018 9:46:12 1 1 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Granny Rowan Render Sun, 30 Dec 2018 20:38:40 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Gun KimBoom Kim Tue, 22 Jan 2019 0:52:48 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Gunnm Dampsomfan Tolv Thu, 03 Jan 2019 18:04:49 1 1 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Havenn Slyk Ragnarok Tue, 08 Jan 2019 20:31:54 1 1 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Horst Taldur Wittig Mon, 24 Dec 2018 13:33:14 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Interfectrix Sumo Kaundor Tue, 11 Dec 2018 14:30:29 1 1 rare
    Electric Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition Janis janku Gaisonok Fri, 11 Jan 2019 13:15:14 1 1 rare
    Great Argonaut Claw FEN Edition JASON KID WRIGHT Fri, 14 Dec 2018 23:46:55 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Kenneth Shad0WMasteR Egon Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:14:22 1 1 rare
    Kaiser-Graf HVMR-2 FEN Edition Lotus Lady Lotus Charming Tue, 22 Jan 2019 18:51:17 1 1 rare
    Castorian Combat Mace Mk.VI FEN Edition mg Joda VVV VVV Mon, 31 Dec 2018 0:06:26 1 1 rare
    Thorifoid Berserker Mace FEN Edition Michael Mike Duval Wed, 12 Dec 2018 1:44:15 1 1 rare
    Thorifoid Berserker Mace FEN Edition Nexell Skyron Ardonel Sun, 20 Jan 2019 14:09:31 1 1 rare
    Corrosive Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition norua norua cain Wed, 02 Jan 2019 15:55:35 1 1 rare
    Great Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Oj Great Snygging Tue, 08 Jan 2019 18:01:06 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Oliver Oli Hunt Wed, 19 Dec 2018 7:13:31 1 1 rare
    Strong Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Ophelya Nerfy Covenant Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:23:44 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Osgard Montbertus MontMontbertus Sat, 05 Jan 2019 19:54:35 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Quantum Kryten State Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:31:22 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Racoiaws Ironman Betelgueze Thu, 27 Dec 2018 9:51:05 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition rui ruru8708 rocha Sat, 29 Dec 2018 20:02:35 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Sergey Crown70 US Fri, 25 Jan 2019 20:11:24 1 1 rare
    Skildek Negator FEN Edition Sir Azzah Neu Thu, 24 Jan 2019 4:21:12 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Taz Taz Kryptonite Sat, 22 Dec 2018 4:06:49 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Viachaslau Sliva sl Sat, 19 Jan 2019 23:58:40 1 1 rare
    Electric Attack Nanochip XIII FEN Edition Victor bigkahuna Stringfellow Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:46:54 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Wrath Wrath Terror Sat, 22 Dec 2018 10:50:43 1 1 rare
    Weak Argonaut Claw FEN Edition xXx Baksillen xXx Tue, 01 Jan 2019 15:45:30 1 1 rare
    Great Argonaut Claw FEN Edition xxx PurpleRain xxx Mon, 17 Dec 2018 9:58:42 1 1 rare
    Great Argonaut Claw FEN Edition Zyloc Zyloc Mist Tue, 18 Dec 2018 8:00:19 1 1 rare
    Last edited by girtsn; 02-06-2019 at 19:23.
    check out Smilgs hunting log and Smilgs coloring, texturing, beauty service
    for some chosen getting high efficiency stuff and looter skills seem to work longterm - and some can go f... themselves. as usual

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    Magnus Eriksson:
    There is a dedicated balancing team that is continuously monitoring and adjusting the design, balancing and availability of all items and resources in Entropia Universe. Great care is taken to ensure that those systems are fair for all participants, and promote a dynamic, vibrant and healthy economy.

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    There is a dedicated balancing team that is continuously monitoring

    Yep...which ones love us and which one's take it personal :P

    When is the happy less brutal one "watching"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis|MindArk View Post
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    Magnus Eriksson:
    There is a dedicated balancing team that is continuously monitoring and adjusting the design, balancing and availability of all items and resources in Entropia Universe. Great care is taken to ensure that those systems are fair for all participants, and promote a dynamic, vibrant and healthy economy.
    Proof, Lootius is real and he exists in MA HQ. Also "personal loot pool" confirmed, its based on what MA is feeling for at that particular time. That's how I interpret your answer.

    Do correct me if I'm wrong though.

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    such a poor answer when you got so much evidence of the total unbalance

    how do you explain the FEN loots? it is RIDICULOUS

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    Argo were particularly easy to trigger the FEN drop for....there were a few other FEN items particularly easy to find as well, given it is pretty recent content and information spread fast.

    It seems time and time again, the good loot for hunting is centered in too few ways, in too few of locations, and at too few of times so those who don't hit it on the dot get totally fucked, and the items dropped then have to carry ridiculous markup to pay back the losses.
    We need better balance in this category.

    A select few grinders in a select few locations on one planet alone tended to get all of the items when they kept grinding and grinding. Very few people ever were even exposed to the chance to get items. 'Avatar luck' also seems to come in waves, and only shows in the first place if you are in the right place for it to take effect. The great items often drop in the middle of the bad burns at very specific times, for example.

    I do not feel doing a few runs with something and saying you know the data is at all accurate, however. If someone cannot push over a few 10k stacks of mobs for the selected mob they are trying to find something on, then they generally have no business being there or they are being self destructive to themselves/taking a risk and failing.

    If you get an item worth 10k, and it takes using your skill/knowledge 100k cycled to get it, average, you come out ahead. Cycle a few stacks on that and you will average out most likely, or at least over many events long term your success will come out ahead.

    If the markup does not cover the item drop, you shouldn't be taking part and not expecting to lose, or at least pay a lot out in the front load in order to get something from a mob that has no other markup to pay towards your survival of your wallet when your bankroll is managed properly.

    What I want to see more of is guarantee that the economy will see more interesting loots for everyone across the board and not just those at the top, or those in a specific place at one time.
    We need more grease in the common/uncommon brackets to help the wheels go around and then people will stop getting hurt so much. Hunting in the mid-upper mid-upper range can be very painful if you go on mobs that drop a low net markup...and there's too many of those in existence.

    Mining and crafting get a high effective markup on their product. Hunters are frequently fleeced with nothing given back to them, when instead it should be about gathering the resources the economy needs at the appropriate times, and selling at the appropriate times. Hunting needs an equal share of the pie where their effective markup can cover the cost of their losses in more situations than currently exist today.

    Crafting blueprints for reduced-level versions of other crafted items that take more rare resources from hunting and consume some sort of token from various size ranges of mobs respective to the level sought after could provide a nice economy stimulation if it always existed. These could be less eco and carry a higher markup.

    Putting keys into the economy to be crafted could provide tremendous economy stimulation, same with various real life shipped items(You buy a loot token, can buy a limited edition sweatshirt for $60 from Mindark).

    Amplifying clothing with various things like auction slot increase, crafting speed increase, social benefits of auction fee reduction, these could also stimulate usage of the texturing and coloring professions for utility value clothes that don't have combat effects, but bring life improvements and driving the economy.

    We just need to stimulate the economy in as many parallel ways as possible. It will bring people out of desperation mode.
    Last edited by Psynergy; 02-08-2019 at 20:58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis|MindArk View Post
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    Magnus Eriksson:
    There is a dedicated balancing team that is continuously monitoring and adjusting the design, balancing and availability of all items and resources in Entropia Universe. Great care is taken to ensure that those systems are fair for all participants, and promote a dynamic, vibrant and healthy economy.
    This make sense - fair for all participants can mean different things to different people.

    What's fair from the perspective of being an uber with 350k+ skill with tens of thousands of dollars invested is that they are given a significant edge in getting better loots more frequently.

    What's fair from the perspective of a noobie is that once in a while a noob with little skill and investment can loot something amazing too (even if rare).

    What's fair from the perspective of a mid-level grinder is that they are rewarded for their grinding with being able to at least loot good things frequently enough to put them back to even or higher. Of course this also means seeing an even dispersion of good loots among all mid-level+ players.

    And that's kind of what you see. Ubers looting 60% of the good stuff, mid-levels randomly looting 25% and pure noobies looting the remaining 15%. Or there about... does it make everyone happy? No. does it seem balanced enough to not piss EVERYONE off. Yes.

    What's that saying.... in the best of deals each party is a little unhappy and doesn't quite get what they want.


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    There is a dedicated balancing team that is continuously monitoring

    Yep...which ones love us and which one's take it personal :P

    When is the happy less brutal one "watching"?

    Rick
    Ya i think im hated by the balanced team then like rly alot XD

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    congratulations, this was probably the worst off all, but me generally not satisfying answers. (but short and easy to understand)

    good thing i didn't ask any questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis|MindArk View Post
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    Magnus Eriksson:
    There is a dedicated balancing team that is continuously monitoring and adjusting the design, balancing and availability of all items and resources in Entropia Universe. Great care is taken to ensure that those systems are fair for all participants, and promote a dynamic, vibrant and healthy economy.
    Tell the dedicated balancing team they failed miserably the past years. (In the past 9 years ingame: activity/deposits: plenty, see your logs ; loot: no ESI, no UL weapons, no armor pieces above goblin/pixie. Balanced? In earlier years balance seemed to be better.)

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