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A bunch of us have been discussing whether other people mining in the same area before you affects your hit rate, TT, etc., but there really isn't any good data on this. There are a few ways to test this, but the first test to science the answer out if pretty straightforward if we have a few people willing to show up for testing at the same time.
I'd like to have at least three or four people, but we could do this for up to maybe 10 (more than that will make keeping track of data tough for me and likely unneeded). Basically, the first person will start mining, the second person mines where the first did, same for the third, fourth, etc. in the train. If an area truly gets "depleted" by multiple miners, we'll be able to detect it this way since we'd have the right experimental design to account for randomness and a control group (first person). I'd be willing to volunteer to go last if anyone is worried about losing PED at the end of the train. If we don't see differences, that means it doesn't matter if you mine where someone else did recently.
Basically what is needed is:
Once I have all the data, I can run statistical analyses like I do for actual scientific research to rule out the effect of randomness (i.e., it's "dynamic") and see if there actually are differences in hit rates for anyone in the train, or if it's all just random noise. I'll post the results here shortly after we're finished.
Tentatively, I'd like to try this on the weekend of Feb 23, maybe around 16:00 UTC on Feb 23 (though that can be tweaked depending on who's available). The only requirements are that you can bring an F-101, have enough stats to max it out, and can drop at least 30 drops of double ore/enmatter. That and being able to follow experimental protocol. Exact time and location are to be determined, but I'll provide a set of coordinates to follow the day of. Let me know if you're interested in joining in or have questions.
It's possible people may lose some PED at the tail end of the train if we do find a difference (see #2 in my linked post for a followup experiment if we do). That would only be a small fee for finding out the answer to the question of multiple miners and hit rates, so do it for science if nothing else.
Update: Just for ease of searching if people stumble on this thread, the results are posted here.
I'd like to have at least three or four people, but we could do this for up to maybe 10 (more than that will make keeping track of data tough for me and likely unneeded). Basically, the first person will start mining, the second person mines where the first did, same for the third, fourth, etc. in the train. If an area truly gets "depleted" by multiple miners, we'll be able to detect it this way since we'd have the right experimental design to account for randomness and a control group (first person). I'd be willing to volunteer to go last if anyone is worried about losing PED at the end of the train. If we don't see differences, that means it doesn't matter if you mine where someone else did recently.
Basically what is needed is:
- Each person will drop unamped at predetermined set of coordinates in order (ore and enmatter). We'll shoot for 50 of those double drops a person if we only have a few, but might be ok with 30 if we get enough people.
- Use a Finder F-101 that you can max out for depth and radius. If everyone's finders aren't the same, that can confound results.
- Wait until the person ahead of you in the train has dropped and pulled their claims before your drop at the next location (where the person ahead of you was).
- Out of the 50 or 30 drops, tell me what your hit rate was. You can use LBML to do this automatically or just keep a tally yourself.
- Optional. Record the exact size of each claim (not just categorical size). It's possible claim size might vary in these conditions, so I'd like at least the first and last person to track the size of each ore and enmatter claim separately. It can help to have those in between do it, but isn't absolutely needed for the analysis if I get those two people.
Once I have all the data, I can run statistical analyses like I do for actual scientific research to rule out the effect of randomness (i.e., it's "dynamic") and see if there actually are differences in hit rates for anyone in the train, or if it's all just random noise. I'll post the results here shortly after we're finished.
Tentatively, I'd like to try this on the weekend of Feb 23, maybe around 16:00 UTC on Feb 23 (though that can be tweaked depending on who's available). The only requirements are that you can bring an F-101, have enough stats to max it out, and can drop at least 30 drops of double ore/enmatter. That and being able to follow experimental protocol. Exact time and location are to be determined, but I'll provide a set of coordinates to follow the day of. Let me know if you're interested in joining in or have questions.
It's possible people may lose some PED at the tail end of the train if we do find a difference (see #2 in my linked post for a followup experiment if we do). That would only be a small fee for finding out the answer to the question of multiple miners and hit rates, so do it for science if nothing else.
Update: Just for ease of searching if people stumble on this thread, the results are posted here.
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