Is the new camera system really like other games?

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So this is what MA have said, they changed everything to be like other games.

So is it true?

Do other games have cameras that snap back?
Do other games have cameras that yoyo up and down when ever you interact with something?
Do other games have auto fire that stops when you straf?
Do other games have mouse locked to looking about? (actually don't most first person shooting games work like this?) Other MMO's?
Do other games have no double click to a position?
Do other games have healthbars? (I must say, i cannot remember other games having or not)
Oh and my all time hated one, you can walk away from a terminal and it automatically closes!!!!! This is getting very irritating.

I'm trying to get a feel . . . (ooh er that sounded dodgy). This is from someone who usually plays strategy games, not other MMO's.

Rgds

Ace

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Other games have real developers who doing their job and not experiment with code and have no clue "AFTER WHOLE 16 years"!!!!
Yes! This is not a damn beta shit! It's a 16 years old game!
All these changes are just for loughs and cries eventually.
 
Other games have real developers who doing their job and not experiment with code and have no clue "AFTER WHOLE 16 years"!!!!
Yes! This is not a damn beta shit! It's a 16 years old game!
All these changes are just for loughs and cries eventually.

so why are you still here ?
 
so why are you still here ?

because like others, he does not give up the core game concept for temporary bad provider decisions.

Project Entropia/Entropia Universe concept has an attraction, not because of Mindark's fumbling with it, but in spite of Mindark's disimprovement.

The Project Entropia/Entropia Universe idea is stronger than MindArk.
 
so why are you still here ?

Orion answered for me well :)
Despite that, I'm acting against all these and taking my decisions accordingly!
If you invest in this game you have to protect and redraw your investements you know. That's takes time.

I'm not intend to give away my money or to give up so easy.
 
Ill chime in here. FACT! The most succesful games and THE most sucessful game "WOW" updates and changes everything drastically yearly. Have to keep things interesting and up with the times. They do it forcefully and the people love them for it. Of course not initially but once they get i to it.
 
because like others, he does not give up the core game concept for temporary bad provider decisions.

Project Entropia/Entropia Universe concept has an attraction, not because of Mindark's fumbling with it, but in spite of Mindark's disimprovement.

The Project Entropia/Entropia Universe idea is stronger than MindArk.

At this point i know we are all old :laugh: but i found we also got very grumpy over the years and its hard to accept changes. I've been hunting around for years and its like nothing changed for me.
 
Not answering the original question, but I would like to state that I like new camera system, it feels like an improvement. However If I did not get my soc mate guidance on the new controls/system I would be as much flustrated as the rest of the forum trying to figure it out 'on my own'. :)
 
There are going to be many other threads with the same topic. Bottom line is that the new system is better than the old one. Some missing features might come back, some may never be implemented again but the majority seem to have accommodated and even if other games do not have the exact features, VU 16 seems more modern for sure.
A positive aspect to it is the fact the features seem to be easier to implement/adjust and I like that.


The Project Entropia/Entropia Universe idea is stronger than MindArk.

MindArk is not a provisional government of Entropia. MindArk IS Entropia. For your own good, you should stop trying to separate the two, they are one, they are the same entity and the only way to change that would be to buy the game.
Having every change on autoreject, fighting every change, every VU, just because it moves the game further from PE, does not help anyone. On the other hand, requesting features and reporting bugs is the way to actually get something, if the request makes sense to more players and developers. Try that for the next 6 months and report back, tell us if your experience has improved.
 
So it's not like other MMO's? I thought the whole point was to attract new players with similar controls?

Rgds

Ace
 
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Personally I'm not trying to convice anyone if he/she have right or wrong. I don't care what you think for any changes either.
I'm not going to adapt anything because I don't want to and nobody going to force me.

I just wonder and will add to Ace questions: For all of you that you finding the new systems so awesome,
Do you ever had an estate?
Do you ever had a shop?
Do you ever trade with any other in person?
Do you ever healed others?
Do you ever mining?
Do you ever sosialized with others in any form?
The answer is obvious! NO!

These ideas and changes are tested in some point, discussed and coming from a part of players who the only thing they do is:
log - depo- shoot shoot shoot shoot - back to trade/auction - log off (or maybe never log off but keep boting!) and start all over again.

As about "modern" excuse.
Do you have played a "modern" game EVER? You don't have any idea what a modern game is :)
WoW isn't a modern game and have nothing to do with Entropia to be compared, otherwise we should play WoW and not EU. EU was modern from the moment it launch and was as far was a free style game. Isn't going to this path anymore as far i can understand.
Pew Pew Pew 24/7 isn't an open world. freestyle game.
 
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Personally I'm not trying to convice anyone if he/she have right or wrong. I don't care what you think for any changes either.
I'm not going to adapt anything because I don't want to and nobody going to force me.

I just wonder and will add to Ace questions: For all of you that you finding the new systems so awesome,
Do you ever had an estate?
Do you ever had a shop?
Do you ever trade with any other in person?
Do you ever healed others?
Do you ever mining?
Do you ever sosialized with others in any form?
The answer is obvious! NO!

These ideas and changes are tested in some point, discussed and coming from a part of players who the only thing they do is:
log - depo- shoot shoot shoot shoot - back to trade/auction - log off (or maybe never log off but keep boting!) and start all over again.

As about "modern" excuse.
Do you have played a "modern" game EVER? You don't have any idea what a modern game is :)
WoW isn't a modern game and have nothing to do with Entropia to be compared, otherwise we should play WoW and not EU. EU was modern from the moment it launch and was as far was a free style game. I'snt going to this path anymore as far i can understand.
Pew Pew Pew 24/7 isn't an open world. freestyle game.


This has always been MA's mantra, they have only really cared about hunting! And always forget there are other professions and an economy to look after as well as other interaction systems. It has been like this since i joined in 2005, I don't think they are going to change anytime soon.

Rgds

Ace
 
Personally I'm not trying to convice anyone if he/she have right or wrong. I don't care what you think for any changes either.
I'm not going to adapt anything because I don't want to and nobody going to force me.
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These ideas and changes are tested in some point, discussed and coming from a part of players who the only thing they do is:
log - depo- shoot shoot shoot shoot - back to trade/auction - log off (or maybe never log off but keep boting!) and start all over again.

As about "modern" excuse.
Do you have played a "modern" game EVER? You don't have any idea what a modern game is :)
WoW isn't a modern game and have nothing to do with Entropia to be compared, otherwise we should play WoW and not EU. EU was modern from the moment it launch and was as far was a free style game. Isn't going to this path anymore as far i can understand.
Pew Pew Pew 24/7 isn't an open world. freestyle game.

Modern is not an excuse. The game needs to move forward, no doubt there.
I did start a healing service recently and I love it, it's very easy to heal, I recommend you test my mod fap fen service and tell me if I do OK with it :)
I also recommend you try the hunting profession, it will help you fix some of your false assumptions :yup:
Some of the changes targeted botting in hunting and in resource collecting, maybe that's why some are so mad at the new system :D

There are many players that did not like one part or another of the game and decided to step aside or leave for good, instead of whining all day and bitch about every single change in this game. Why can't you? :)


This has always been MA's mantra, they have only really cared about hunting! And always forget there are other professions and an economy to look after as well as other interaction systems. It has been like this since i joined in 2005, I don't think they are going to change anytime soon.

Rgds

Ace

I often say a complex player does a bit of everything, well, at least the most successful ones. And there are quite a few examples to pick from. Also it makes perfect sense to focus on hunting, I am not sure what's so hard to understand for some. Hunting is the business here in this game. Not sure you know but MA takes a cut from your activity here and yes, the ideal customer for them is the one that shoots a ton, that's a paying customer, pays for salaries, servers, updates and keeps the game going forward. Socializing, birdwatching and hiking does not.

Flyster, you seem to have a lot of issues with the new system and especially with clicking to move for a player that only makes explosive projectiles in this game. What's up with that? You don't even have to move between terminals to do that... You don't mine, you don't hunt, I'd like to understand what's the issue here....
 
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I don't play any other online game but never had such a major problem with single-player ones. Within a month I usually already have a game finished and uninstalled, not still trying to learn its controls :)
 
Modern is not an excuse. The game needs to move forward, no doubt there.

Replacing a camera system that worked for over a decade with one that causes motion sickness, is not a step forwrd, if you ask me.

I dont have a problem with the new controls, I have a problem with the camera movements that simply make me sick!
 
Replacing a camera system that worked for over a decade

Weakest argument of all times.


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This one also worked fine for many decades yet it still got replaced. WHILE WORKING!!!!
 
Weakest argument of all times.

Comenting on just half sentence is weakest argumentation ever.

Read the damn whole sentence !

Its about MOTION SICKNESS !!!!
 
This one also worked fine for many decades yet it still got replaced.
You are not forced by the telephone company to replace your home device though. My late grandmother still owned a rotary phone 2 years ago. This obsession with "upgrading" stuff that still perfectly works is how we turned our planet into a garbage dump and running out of resources.
 
If it is not broke , don’t fix it , seems to me an excuse to blindside us from real bugs and problems in game
 
In all seriousness, is the new camera system like other games? Especially MMO?

No one has actually answered this yet.

I am old school and playing new games fills me with dread.


Rgds

Ace

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In all seriousness, is the new camera system like other games? Especially MMO?

No its not like in other games, at least not in that games I actually play beside EU.
 
You are not forced by the telephone company to replace your home device though. My late grandmother still owned a rotary phone 2 years ago. This obsession with "upgrading" stuff that still perfectly works is how we turned our planet into a garbage dump and running out of resources.

I can understand that. This "obsession" with upgrading is called evolution and it's in our nature. Well, there are plenty that are resistant and oppose evolving, but, history shows that resistance is futile.
Fortunately, in this case, uninstalling is a great alternative if people feel forced. And those phones perfectly worked too, yet people wanted those with buttons and the technological revolution that the smartphones are compared to 30 years ago's technology, did not come directly after the rotary phones, there were many steps in between... some very stupid steps people still invested in them, learned, improved and moved over, forward.
 
Seriously?

Weakest argument of all times.

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This one also worked fine for many decades yet it still got replaced. WHILE WORKING!!!!


The telephones replacement was a superior improvement than what was existing. An improvement should be an improvement not making easy routine aspects more complicated and worse. Mindark has made no significant improvement to the game except to make it more restrictive; which is not what people want.

Spot the improvement here:

Camera movements that cause motion sickness. Camera movements that cause motion sickness. Camera movements that cause motion sickness.

More Lag issues since VU; I'm on 200GB Fibre so problem is not from my end and I never have issues with all other games I play.

Autouse that stops functioning midway through a mob because you walking backwards and cannot look where you going to avoid aggro'ing another mob.

Autouse that stops functioning because you reply to a PM or soc/local chat..

Autouse that just stops functioning for no apparent reason.. or when autouse wont re-engage after nudging mouse off target.

Inability to pull out Health Bars or look around for next mob of the mob maturity you looking for when hunting in dense mixed maturity spawns.

The death timer that needs a click to allow you to revive.

Equipped tools like FAPs that won't autouse during hunt or having to hold down the button to activate at revive.

The removal of programmable mouse keys.. [Great the mouse I bought just for the game is now redundant.]

The only results I have seen since these "improvements" are the increases in decay rates from ineffective autouse tool, having to chose between socialising with friends and doing nothing else, or hunt (and enjoy the free motion sickness) as messaging interferes with autouse tool and that I cant easily hunt maturities I want to hunt as mostly cannot chose next mob.

However; that said, it does appear that Mindark have fixed the item interaction issues that were in estates after 5 years. so wow great effort

Killing the social aspect of the game and needlessly complicating the game is the greatest incentive I have to stop / reduce my logging in activity.
 
Took me a while to work out how to use a refiner lol. I could equip it, but then I couldnt activate it.

Right click didnt work, F didn't work. I had to open up actions library and go through each page until i found 'use tool' option.

This is a bizarre step back.

Oh and my all time hated one, you can walk away from a terminal and it automatically closes!!!!! This is getting very irritating.

Rgds

Ace
 
Took me a while to work out how to use a refiner lol. I could equip it, but then I couldnt activate it.

If you have your refiner assigned to a key, you just press that key twice. (same as before)

On a plus side, you can now equip and operate refiner while having auction and/or storage open. (before VU16, you had to remember to equip and activate the refiner first)
 
In all seriousness, is the new camera system like other games? Especially MMO?

No one has actually answered this yet.

I am old school and playing new games fills me with dread.


Rgds

Ace

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Elder Scrolls Online. Popular game with a camera that, to me, looks very much like the one recently implemented here.

In all seriousness, I think the ones that miss the most the move-with-cursor-click are those that were botting for fruits. Next thing you know, MA notices the fruit collecting dropped significantly, since botting for fruits is no longer possible and then they make it MUCH easier to collect. Wait... they already did that :tongue2:
 
So this is what MA have said, they changed everything to be like other games.

So is it true?

Do other games have cameras that snap back?
Do other games have cameras that yoyo up and down when ever you interact with something?
Do other games have auto fire that stops when you straf?
Do other games have mouse locked to looking about? (actually don't most first person shooting games work like this?) Other MMO's?
Do other games have no double click to a position?
Do other games have healthbars? (I must say, i cannot remember other games having or not)
Oh and my all time hated one, you can walk away from a terminal and it automatically closes!!!!! This is getting very irritating.

I'm trying to get a feel . . . (ooh er that sounded dodgy). This is from someone who usually plays strategy games, not other MMO's.

Rgds

Ace

EDIT: Mods - off topic is fine

I think when you go to MA's Website you will see what they intend to do and from where they copied their Camera, Interaction code:



MindArk's Offer

Entropia Universe
Entropia Platform
Business VR solution


Seams like we not only paid for compet etc. now we pay their development of Business VR solution....
 
Elder Scrolls Online. Popular game with a camera that, to me, looks very much like the one recently implemented here.

In all seriousness, I think the ones that miss the most the move-with-cursor-click are those that were botting for fruits. Next thing you know, MA notices the fruit collecting dropped significantly, since botting for fruits is no longer possible and then they make it MUCH easier to collect. Wait... they already did that :tongue2:

Yes this was the biggest problem, someone programming a bot to get some fruits. That is the biggest problem MA has with bot - LOL - how much money this bot will make in 24 h? 10 ped or even 20 ped ? I think a sweating bot will make consistently more peds in 24 h than a fruit collecting bot. And he will also earn some skills which you do not get by picking up fruits.

Now a bot only has to use one key - F - to make a bot avatar - LOL

Instead of correcting an error they remove the thing - health bar to pleas some PK'ers in PVP4 - Jumping mob to make camera movement not so sickening etc.

I never ever played a game or used a software, where you had to hold the right mouse button for 0,5 sec and then release it without any movement to bring up a menu.

To reduce the features of a software is crap. F.X. pre VU16 you could cycle forward and backward through possible targets now you cant do this any more - you only can cycle forward trough the mobs and if you pressed the key once too much you have to go trough the 50 other mobs to come to the mob you wanted again - huge improvement to press once the key for previous target, no it isn't a improvement it is a step back for no obvious reason at all.

Same with setting your preferred point of view which switches back to look at your ass every time you change to aim mode - not an improvement at all.

Easiest way to please 99% would be to make Pre VU16 and Post VU16 mode. For Keyboard/Mouse/Monitor users a Pre VU16 mode and Post VU16 mode for VR/console players.
 
My sister in law was just playing some new game on her cellphone.. guess what? it looked damn near like EU out hunting with a functional interact button! I wonder if that's part of all this control direction :)
 
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