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    I am not disputing the facts about efficiency and DPP on the new items, I was purely stating that to recover the costs of the investment you are looking at an extremely long period of time, and there is ofc no guarantee that bigger or better items might come out in the future, thus devaluing your weapon.

    Also, as I already stated, don't you pick your armour and weapons so that you can hunt the mobs that you want to hunt? So why would you purchase a weapon that is low tiered and has considerably less DPS, which then makes it hard for you to hunt the mobs you want too?

    The prices people ask for a weapon is their choice, the prices people pay is their choice, it just doesn't add up to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyO View Post
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    don't you pick your armour and weapons so that you can hunt the mobs that you want to hunt? So why would you purchase a weapon that is low tiered and has considerably less DPS, which then makes it hard for you to hunt the mobs you want too?
    This is a very interesting question, for me personally it's a little more complicated.

    I have chosen a weapon that suits my level, my bankroll and playstyle i prefer and i choose mobs based on the weapon. That saying, i did already take the possible mobs i can hunt in consideration when choosing this gun.

    For me eff and dpp is leading, and i adapt my hunting to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperKanjo View Post
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    I have chosen a weapon that suits my level, my bankroll and playstyle i prefer and i choose mobs based on the weapon.
    Precisely same. If I'd happen to lay my hands on a weapon with significantly greater Efficiency but less dps, I would scale down accordingly.

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    Such a very good weapon is perfect for shared mobs like sandking, and the 90k investment will be covered by just 10 full TT ESIs.
    You definately increase your chance to loot this full TT Esis from sandking using this weapon, so the return of investment might be a lot faster than your calculation.

    Beside that, you have better chance to win in events, thats another source of income, which speed up the return of investment.

    If it really works, well try and error. If no try you wont find out.

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    So no, don't believe those that said that you can just sell it back for whatever you've bought it for after you're done using it.
    Even if its value goes down by 50% in 5-6 years, its still a lot of money you can recover from reselling the gun the day you upgrade to next gun, what you definately will do sooner or later.

    I wouldn´t expect to get the same what I have paid for, I always would expect a devaluation of at least 50-60%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyO View Post
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    I am not disputing the facts about efficiency and DPP on the new items, I was purely stating that to recover the costs of the investment you are looking at an extremely long period of time, and there is ofc no guarantee that bigger or better items might come out in the future, thus devaluing your weapon.

    Also, as I already stated, don't you pick your armour and weapons so that you can hunt the mobs that you want to hunt? So why would you purchase a weapon that is low tiered and has considerably less DPS, which then makes it hard for you to hunt the mobs you want too?

    The prices people ask for a weapon is their choice, the prices people pay is their choice, it just doesn't add up to me!


    Like I and others said. It's a matter of perspective. And it's the exact same thing with the IMK2 6-8 years ago when they used to be sales at 150-200k PED. I remember in 2016, not even 100k PED could find you an imk2 for sale. And they were owned by all types of hunters, inactive to uber active. They, in most cases, did not made enough profit to pay for themselves, but they did quote a bit.

    These days it's a matter of how much you loose if you hunt and use trash equipment. these days equipment helps you loose less while you do something else (farm MU/skill up/boost a LA's ROI - whatever your main goal is).

    Getting a good gun allows you to hunt anything, from mid level to end game. Just look at smilgs, he's killing mulcibers atm with a level 70 weapon. So it's actually the other way around, you get gear that makes sense for the widest variety of activities you usually do, like your current setup - you can hunt anything you want with your weapon and armor+HP+healing. How efficient you are with your equipment - that's a different story and only you can decide what budget you throw at it.
    It took me a split of a second to decide, when presented with the opportunity, to get a LP70FEN. It made sense for me. It has to make sense for you, regardless of the ROI and other variables....



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    Such a very good weapon is perfect for shared mobs like sandking, and the 90k investment will be covered by just 10 full TT ESIs.
    You definately increase your chance to loot this full TT Esis from sandking using this weapon, so the return of investment might be a lot faster than your calculation.

    Beside that, you have better chance to win in events, thats another source of income, which speed up the return of investment.

    If it really works, well try and error. If no try you wont find out.
    Where does this BS come from? There's obviously no such thing. Full TT ESIs are super rare and have nothing to do with the weapon used/dpp/dps/efficiency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evey View Post
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    Where does this BS come from? There's obviously no such thing. Full TT ESIs are super rare and have nothing to do with the weapon used/dpp/dps/efficiency.
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    If this is an attempt to reply to the above two (3?) posts, you're absolutely wrong. DPP overall, input into a mob, determines that mobs ability to provide a larger balance of non-shrapnel items to shrapnel ratio, bottoming at providing 0.01 shrap and the remaining portion of loot being non-shrap. This is all that DPP affects.

    If the SK never had an ESI in it, you're not looting one even with Marco gun.

    Additionally, shared loot is another factor to bring to this equation. The only thing that determines your loot at shared loot, as proven by a current Mindark employee is input and efficiency based ONLY.

    Say your SK had 1000 ped potential spleen oil.

    Say you had 20x people using BC-80 and thus making the overall DPP of the kill much lower. With these guns & DPP, it is more than likely you will achieve maximum stackable potential (no shrap overwrite). and get all 1k ped spleen distributed to the people killing.

    Say you had 1 person with BC-80 and 19 with Swine DLX, DPP will be so low that everyone will get 100% shrap. BC-80 shooter won't magically obtain spleen that has been overwritten on a mob basis just because they personally have high DPP.

    Editing and including a post from below to clarify:

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    Respectfully, I don't think you understand fully how shared loot works now. Prior to loot 2.0 shared loot changes you would be correct. However, it no longer works like that.
    Incorrect as well. 1.0 or 2.0, you wouldn't have a better chance at ESI. Higher DPP allowed you to TT profit at shared loot because loot was still damage based, rather than input only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNi View Post
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    Such a very good weapon is perfect for shared mobs like sandking, and the 90k investment will be covered by just 10 full TT ESIs.
    You definately increase your chance to loot this full TT Esis from sandking using this weapon, so the return of investment might be a lot faster than your calculation.
    Edited based on Slyks feedback. I was incorrect in regards to loot pre-shared loot changes.

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    Beside that, you have better chance to win in events, thats another source of income, which speed up the return of investment.
    In the event on this specific gun, there are other alternative weapons which would be more well suited for events strictly which cost less than the base value of the gun. Sadly as it stands, loot 2.0 weapons cost more to go from T1-10 than the base value of the gun. To get a loot 2.0 weapon into an event ready status, costs a lot of time and money. The gun, tier costs and then the ped required to tier it all adds up really quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyk View Post
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    If this is an attempt to reply to the above two (3?) posts, you're absolutely wrong. DPP overall, input into a mob, determines that mobs ability to provide a larger balance of non-shrapnel items to shrapnel ratio, bottoming at providing 0.01 shrap and the remaining portion of loot being non-shrap. This is all that DPP affects.

    If the SK never had an ESI in it, you're not looting one even with Marco gun.

    Additionally, shared loot is another factor to bring to this equation. The only thing that determines your loot at shared loot, as proven by a current Mindark employee is input and efficiency based ONLY.

    Say your SK had 1000 ped potential spleen oil.

    Say you had 20x people using BC-80 and thus making the overall DPP of the kill much lower. With these guns & DPP, it is more than likely you will achieve maximum stackable potential (no shrap overwrite). and get all 1k ped spleen distributed to the people killing.

    Say you had 1 person with BC-80 and 19 with Swine DLX, DPP will be so low that everyone will get 100% shrap. BC-80 shooter won't magically obtain spleen that has been overwritten on a mob basis just because they personally have high DPP.

    Based on all the reading that I have done as well as having owned and used MANY loot 2.0 weapons. I strongly believe that as it currently stands shared loot/team hunting is simply cost in cost out. That DPP and Eff don't play a factor as it currently stands.

    This is one thing I would love to see addressed a little more in depth by MA to clarify it.

    Does Eff/DPP impact the groups (shared or teams) hunting returns?
    How is the owner of a loot 2.0 weapon impacted in groups (shared or team)?

    If 3 players go out and hunt:
    Player 1 has 0% eff & 2.0 dpp
    player 2 has 50% eff & 2.75 dpp
    player 3 has 100% eff & 3.5 dpp
    Average: 50% eff and 2.75 DPP

    Q1) Will each players loot be individual to their respective DPP/EFF?
    If the answer to Q1 is no
    Q2) Will the return of the creature be averaged so it would be essentially as if you killed it with 50% eff and 2.75dpp
    If the answer to Q2 is no
    Q3) Is group hunting (shared/team) returns simply cost in cost out with no regard to DPP/Eff?

    If Q2 is the result, then it would mean that the higher your eff and dpp you're being negatively impacted (a previous term would be leached off of) as you're not seeing the true potential of your weapon.

    Sure you're "helping" the group, however that's not the point of my post. I'm looking at it strictly as an investor into a "high end" item.

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