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    Post my noob review of EU after ~3 Month playing

    i like to share my thoughts about EU:
    its a nice game i used ~200€ in that 3 Month i have 900 ped on card left and about 600-700 ped stuff for sale and here is the problem with this game imo:
    there way to less buyers
    one bad example is Lanorium Ingot i cannot get it sold since 3.5 days for buyout 101.78% not even a bid for 100.62%

    [Deleted this portion for violating the rules]... thats the nice part of this game, money is not lost when u stop playing like other games... here u can cash out

    another problem i have is loosing money that often last times: hunting many times only 50% return... mining is bit better but got some losses too...

    i understand that we players have to loose money, MA wants to life from something and has to pay the servers and other stuff... but now im thinking "why should i play a game to loose money", thats a bit stupid... on the other side u can say its fun and a hobby and that is not for free.

    its a casino dressed as a mmo game, and we all know "the house always wins"

    last words ^^ if u have some money u want to loose EU is the right game for u

    greetings from Germany and wish u all fun and some nice HoFs
    looks like i have to start cooking again :P

    OT i have some pills left i need to sell
    17x [NutriStim 10mg]
    10x[AccuStim 10mg]
    10x[HyperStim 10mg]
    5x [DevaStim 10mg]
    normal price is 6 ped, i want to sell them fast i can offer 5.8 ped... if u buy all we can make 5.7
    and 10x [NutriStim 5mg] if u buy all its 2.2 ped each
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    In response to the OP, considering you depo'd around 2100 ped and you still have 1500 - 1600 ped left, during your game play of 3 months you have lost 500 ped which is around 45 Euros which is 15 Euros a month. This is a very small cost to play. In recent years the game has been changed to make it cheaper for new players to start off (which was always a major complaint for new player retention).

    Regarding your 50% returns on hunting, this could be down to a number of issues :

    1. Are you using the correct weapon for your level. What level are you ? Using a weapon above your level will give poor returns.
    2. What mobs are you hunting. Again as in point 1. if you hunt mobs that are too large then you will not see stable returns. MA state that average returns should be around 95%. Most players I know and I myself agree that it is probably between 80% and 90%. Loot returns come in waves so to hit these figures you need to cycle a considerable amount of ped. Probably you have not cycled enough for your returns to even out.

    Regarding Mining Sales.

    1. It is not normally recommended that new players mine as the bank role required to mine enough of any 1 resource to make enough of a stack for a profitable sale is quite high.
    2. The market for resources like the rest of the game is dynamic and fluctuates. This week alone has seen a reduction in the price of a number of items which normally have stable Mark Up. You may have just tried to sell at the wrong time. Seasonal variations affect Auction prices as well.

    This game is not for everyone, it seems to appeal to a more mature player base, there are very few young players who stay as the skill progression takes years not weeks. There is no end game but players are considered UBER when they reach level 100 in a profession. After 7 years playing almost daily I am only at level 66. I have a friend who is retired and spends most of his time in game on a daily basis and spends a considerable amount each month and even after 6 years he is only level 72.

    I am in no way trying to dismiss your comments and the game needs to retain new players but having said that, this is a long game and you will need to commit time and money to progress. I budget my game play at 100 per month, I occasionally deposit more if I have a particular plan for the month but I try to stay within my budget. Note that if I hunt at my maximum level that 100 can be gone in as little as 2 days. I mix my game play up, I try to use all the items I loot or mine to craft basic items that I can sell at a small profit.

    Note on Withdrawal - I believe that the minimum that you can withdraw is $100 and this can take up to 3 months to go through to your bank account.

    Last comment, give it a little more time, you may be surprised, I am still learning things everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter White View Post
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    i understand that we players have to loose money, MA wants to life from something and has to pay the servers and other stuff... but now im thinking "why should i play a game to loose money", thats a bit stupid... on the other side u can say its fun and a hobby and that is not for free.
    You want to play the game to earn money, not to lose them.Losing them is part of the game, you have to lose to earn later on.Its more like a commitment in order for you to get to the top.
    This is not like any other MMO where you gradually earn peds day by day until you get to the top.Here is exactly the other way around.You start with super huge bankroll and then you buy time so you can eventually later on after many years you get steady income and nobody can stop you.Here you are your own boss and you play/work as much as you want without anyone to limit your ability to EARN money.
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    its a casino dressed as a mmo game, and we all know "the house always wins"
    House must always win , thats the condition for this game to exist.Most people have their brain stop working at that phrase alone but think about it for a second.This is a super large poker tournament where house get their rake %.If you are super competent and beat everyone around you can feed the house and at the end you get your own revenue.No one can stop you to achieve your goals if you have any.

    Testing the game to see how it goes for a few months investing some peddies is not bad.But the overall picture is far more complex this is the reason most people give up early stages and I don't blame them.
    I give given up on movies I actually hate the first 45 minutes to figure out after years that they are one of the most attractive if you have the will to endure.

    Good luck

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    thanks for the replies

    ur right i lost not much money but i lost some and if i think i would be unlucky and not get some globals it would be much more loss

    Code:
    Growth Molecules	74 PED	Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:15:11
     	Caldorite Stone	52 PED	Thu, 05 Sep 2019 16:33:50
     	Ares Head	380 PED	Tue, 03 Sep 2019 21:12:10
    	Copper Stone	271 PED	Sun, 18 Aug 2019 12:17:20
     	Iron Stone	58 PED	Sat, 17 Aug 2019 15:39:33
     	Cobalt Stone	50 PED	Sat, 03 Aug 2019 10:24:00
    i think 2x ~50 ped is missing when i was hell mining on RT... the 271 ped was hell too... all other globals was on caly i think

    another point i forgot to tell is that i have a high risk of addiction... i even took 100 from my bitcoin wallet which is very empty (under 0.5 BTC) no work at the moment is another problem, money is very low

    very lucky i found a good mentor who explained me the basics very good i think... when i was hunting i only use weapons where i do max dmg interval

    my highest level is 14 in laser sniper & lvl 11 ranged laser (dmg)

    i already mostly quit hunting some weeks ago because losses all time... then i tryed only doing the daily argonaut cave... going in with 50 ped and mostly all time i get out with 20-30 ped... 1 global i had there and got a little plus

    Code:
    Argonaut Young	38 PED	Tue, 03 Sep 2019 10:18:00
     	Caudatergus Puny	5 PED	Wed, 28 Aug 2019 19:09:59
     	Combibo Old	23 PED	Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:19:13
     	Caudatergus Puny	9 PED	Sat, 10 Aug 2019 14:31:07
     	Caudatergus Puny	8 PED	Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:44:31
     	Snablesnot Female Young	5 PED	Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:37:41
    as u can see nearly no luck when hunting

    i have no hurry in gettling lvl 100 or near to it... i learned so far that higher mobs or bigger amps in mining can make u big loss in no time if unlucky... i dont want to try it because i dont want loose much... if the bitcoin goes to 1KK i can spend some k ped without thinking about it

    gtg some hours afk see u later

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter White View Post
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    thanks for the replies

    ur right i lost not much money but i lost some and if i think i would be unlucky and not get some globals it would be much more loss
    i get so mad when ppls blame everything on luck

    There are cycles and sometimes your recover less but long term you get at same % return.

    Also one more thing someone who knows what he is doing won't share. So you were put just in wrong directions.
    .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by messi91 View Post
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    You want to play the game to earn money, not to lose them.Losing them is part of the game, you have to lose to earn later on.Its more like a commitment in order for you to get to the top.
    This is not like any other MMO where you gradually earn peds day by day until you get to the top.Here is exactly the other way around.You start with super huge bankroll and then you buy time so you can eventually later on after many years you get steady income and nobody can stop you.Here you are your own boss and you play/work as much as you want without anyone to limit your ability to EARN money.


    House must always win , thats the condition for this game to exist.Most people have their brain stop working at that phrase alone but think about it for a second.This is a super large poker tournament where house get their rake %.If you are super competent and beat everyone around you can feed the house and at the end you get your own revenue.No one can stop you to achieve your goals if you have any.

    Testing the game to see how it goes for a few months investing some peddies is not bad.But the overall picture is far more complex this is the reason most people give up early stages and I don't blame them.
    I give given up on movies I actually hate the first 45 minutes to figure out after years that they are one of the most attractive if you have the will to endure.

    Good luck
    This one way to look at it.
    You can do it messi style, meaning, you have a HUGE money investment to go sky high and hope to make that money back in the future. That way you're lvl 100 in 1 or 2 years. (just be prepared to mortgage your house )

    Or you can do it like the majority of the playerbase taking it a little bit slower with a much smaller starting amount.
    There are many ways for a starter to play very cheap and skill up.
    Just don't aim to high.
    Start with smaller mobs. Maybe swunting (sweating and then killing the mob).
    Or maybe trade to make some ped back.
    Or with small deposits every now and then.

    you gotto know that the system evens out your luck a bit over a large number of mobs.
    Generally on the long term you will get around 90~95% back. Sometimes higher of you get a decent hof or so.
    If you can arrange to sell some of your loot at more than TT value, you can recover some (or sometimes all) your losses.
    It means playing smart.
    But to play smart you need to know the game. Just don't expect to know the game in a few months.
    I've been here nearly 15 years and am still learning new things.
    Some have been here even longer and are still losing their pants with everything they do.

    Major problem that most people have is "expectations that are set way to high".
    Expect to lose, unless you've found your way for a steady income, one way or another.
    I can assure you, it's possible. Many were successful before, but also many have failed miserably.

    Can you challenge yourself to beat the system?

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    i understand that we players have to loose money, MA wants to life from something and has to pay the servers and other stuff... but now im thinking "why should i play a game to loose money", thats a bit stupid... on the other side u can say its fun and a hobby and that is not for free.



    I just watched some guy spend 300$ or more cuz it was in pounds for new fifa . Can you explain to me whit two words what he gained cuz i am complete mooron and have no idea . Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter White View Post
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    here is the problem with this game imo:
    there way to less buyers
    one bad example is Lanorium Ingot i cannot get it sold since 3.5 days for buyout 101.78% not even a bid for 100.62%
    The buyers are not some mysterious aliens from Alpha Centauri and not even undercover agents of ZOG, they're people just like you and me; well, in many cases people with less patience.

    Stuff that is easy to get is often hard to sell, unless it is consumed in huge quantities, in which case buyers just buy your time.

    People pay MU for things they are unable to obtain themselves, do not know where and how to obtain, or lack patience to obtain; the latter is the same case of buying time and such things usually command relatively little MU.

    There are hundreds of people with lots of patience, often with too much patience (see the nearest sweat circle); hence, patience alone doesn't bring much profit. It's ability and knowledge that can put one ahead of the competition.

    Or tl;dr: X doesn't sell? Find where and how to obtain Y that sells.
    There are many ways to skin a cat but just one way to boil a frog.

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