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    Back in the old Days, when all Weapons where maxed at Level 100, the MF Chips where maxed at lower levels so I soon started to use very frequently a First Gen Electric Attack Chip 4 which I looted and was maxed at I belive level 10.

    The other thing to also remember is that MF has the following hidden Skills:
    Level 51 - Mindforce Harmony Skill (Mindforce) - 1 HP / 1600
    Level 65 - Force Merge Skill (Mindforce) - 1 HP / 800
    Which also contributes to Health, OK at lower levels than Commando but still at every 800 respective 1600 levels per HP.

    Today, sadly ther are no CDF MF Chips available for daily Token so I switched back to Laser/BLP and use the looted high level MF Chips and my UL Combustive Attack Nanochip 8 when apropriate.
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    I have dabbled a bit with pyro skilling lately. I'm just in it for a few extra HP and to stay in my Mayhem category (rifle).

    My take:

    PROs with Mindforce
    * Fun (cooler effects than rifle/pistol)
    * Arsonistic chip is useful to max
    * It's easy to get psyche to 50-60 (contributes to HP and e-penis)
    * If you care for bioregenesis chips, MF skilling will help to raise bioregenesis skill (partly common skill pool).
    * Some HP to be had from concentration, power catalyst, mf harmony , force merge, bravado
    * Possible to unlock/max out uber FEN chips @L70.
    * Some MU on skills (1200-1300 % atm, but dropping) - not useful for me, but for FEN users probably
    * When I use combustive chip together with my cthulhu Shade armor helmet (the only ingame?!), the eyes of the helmet starts burning!


    CONs with Mindforce
    * No Coolness, Combat sense or commando (no HP /defense)
    * UL amps are rare (and expensive)
    * Biggest L amps (27-36 dmg) have high MU (135-140 %)
    * Hard to find a steady supply of L chips at higher levels
    * UL chips also not many of on market
    * no Armatrix line of chips
    * If you haven't unlocked Wounding prior to skilling, unlocking mf harmony and power catalyst takes more time.
    * No chips (CDF edition) to trade from the Daily token vendor (Calypso)
    * No mayhem amps for chips
    * Guns are better suited for Mayhem due to bigger amps and tailored DPS.

    TLDR;
    Guns are good for HP increase, availability, large selection of UL weapons and UL amps. MF is good for some HP gain, visual effects and possibly a fast route to uber 87 DPS FEN chips.
    Last edited by LavaSparks; 09-30-2019 at 11:52.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jack View Post
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    Rifles and pistols are more traditional. Back in the day the ubers were using Imk2s and Mod Mercs, and that was iconic. Today that stigma is still stuck in the heads of the majority of the player base. Yes, mindforce makes more sense today, but most people will still resort to the more traditional methods.
    Back in those nearly no MF chips existed except for the gen electric chips.
    And those by far could not compete with the uber shooties.

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    CONs with Mindforce
    * No Coolness, Combat sense or commando (no HP /defense)
    Not correct.

    This has been changed.

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    Back in those nearly no MF chips existed except for the gen electric chips.
    And those by far could not compete with the uber shooties.



    Not correct.

    This has been changed.
    When? I am not getting those skills when skilling pyro..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LavaSparks View Post
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    When? I am not getting those skills when skilling pyro..
    It has been changed to ANY hit profession.

    I do get coolness and combat sens from MF use.
    Cant say about the others since I'm only lvl 57

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    Reading through this it just sounds like mindforce could use an update.
    Still trying to figure this game out after 14 years.

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    belive the empowerment of magic




    mindforce have two different type
    which compares to pistol,rifle (range,apm)
    but we don't have many options for MF chips *sighs*
    IMO if MF don't give any specific skills(hp-related)
    highly doubted for use

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    Last edited by pamascom; 10-02-2019 at 12:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizz View Post
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    It has been changed to ANY hit profession.

    I do get coolness and combat sens from MF use.
    Cant say about the others since I'm only lvl 57
    Are you busting my balls? Or are you serious?

    I have skilled pyro since February, and not once gotten coolness or combat sense. I record my skill gains, so I am 100 % sure of this. I only get the skills listed on entropedia.

    Can you please post proof of this, or at least tell what MF chip you are using?

    If my pyro is bugged, MA owes me a shit ton of skills (50 ped of coolness and combat sense both).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LavaSparks View Post
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    Are you busting my balls? Or are you serious?

    I have skilled pyro since February, and not once gotten coolness or combat sense. I record my skill gains, so I am 100 % sure of this. I only get the skills listed on entropedia.

    Can you please post proof of this, or at least tell what MF chip you are using?

    If my pyro is bugged, MA owes me a shit ton of skills (50 ped of coolness and combat sense both).
    lol, you making my start to doubt.

    Wiki says you're right and Im wrong.

    So I guess I'm messing things up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizz View Post
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    lol, you making my start to doubt.

    Wiki says you're right and Im wrong.

    So I guess I'm messing things up now.

    *phew*

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