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    Quote Originally Posted by GxB View Post
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    lol. when you believe that then u r a threat for our democracy.
    It's a prediction, not a threat.
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    It's a prediction, not a threat.
    and ill predict you that nothing like that is going to happen. and ill predict you something else: if for example germany would ever implement a ubi then thats the day it is inevitably going to die. guess how fast everyone from not as wealthy countries from the EU will move to germany to get more money for nothing then what two people would get for their job in their homecountries. and then those countries die cos nobody is left. thats when the riots start.

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    Now you've changed the topic to "Democracy". Few countries are a Democracy. America is not. It is a Constitutional Republic.

    Democracy is mob rule. The strongest rule everyone else. All (so called) "Democracies" are nothing more than an elite ruling their subjects.

    Let's stick to UBI stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GxB View Post
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    so... you dont like the job you have but you dont do the job u want. who is hindering you on doing the job you want to do? its only your own fear.
    I actually do like my job thanks, sure some days are sh*t, but that would be the same with any job. Majority of people do not enjoy their job however, and i see this day in and out. Also there are lots of things hindering people, money is one of those. Being unable to afford basic needs doesn't mean you can just go out and get a job you love....thats like telling the person begging on the street to "get a haircut and get a real job".

    If it was that easy, many would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naverith View Post
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    Democracy is mob rule. The strongest rule everyone else. All (so called) "Democracies" are nothing more than an elite ruling their subjects.
    I see, you forgot Switzerland. We have a well runing direct democracie with not only 2 rich parties. This means there are a lot ppl not from the elite front. We have the possibility to direct vote our leaders (except the 7 "ministers" but those get votet from the leaders, the normal ppl voted for.). There are also a lot of social democrats and parties here, and our economy is one of the stabelst worldwith since ages. We have healty for everyone, not only rich ppl. noone need here to sleep on the street, or begg for money to survive on the street, except they want have that this way.
    No, democracie is not a mob rule, it is a polit discusion where everyone is implemented. But sadly, there are a lot countries around, and think they are demcracie, but they are noting more as a 1 person(or partie) dictate.
    No need to call the names here, to solve hate.

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    I actually do like my job thanks, sure some days are sh*t, but that would be the same with any job. Majority of people do not enjoy their job however, and i see this day in and out. Also there are lots of things hindering people, money is one of those. Being unable to afford basic needs doesn't mean you can just go out and get a job you love....thats like telling the person begging on the street to "get a haircut and get a real job".

    If it was that easy, many would.
    funny that you talk about that as i got first person experience on that matter.

    a few years back i got huge family problems so i decided to leave everything from one day to another. i was in my early 20s and packed my stuff and just left. i bought a train ticket to a town 400km away from anyone i know.
    i had about 40 bucks in my pocket, no work, no place to stay. homeless.
    i didnt know anything about the town or about being homeless but at least im not an idiot or lazy so i just got out of my comfort zone and did what i needed to. it took me 8 fucking days of living in a homeless shelter before i had a job and a place to stay. it wasnt nearly as hard as i imagined it. theres enough help out there to get you started again. and its a good feeling when you get it done.
    but most people dont go out of their comfort zone. they dont go to public offices to inform themselves. they are lazy fucks who stay the way it is because its easier than trying something new.

    people who really want to get off the streets can easily do it. especially nowadays with social media and internet. its easier than ever. just get your fucking ass up.

    and the UBI will just make life worse for everyone with increased prices. people will have less buying power than before after 12 to 24 months. thats basically guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narfi View Post
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    Impossible, there will always be someone who chooses not to work.
    If anyone chooses not to work, then wages are too low. If there were too few workers, wages would rise to a level at which those previously choosing not to work would instead choose to work.

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    When one has a crutch to lean on - they will. That is human nature.

    I grew up poor. Real poor. Most people today have no clue what "poor" really is. They think it's when you only have a flip phone.

    When I was young, society had a crutch - it was other people who could, and would, help. Churches were the usual source. Sometimes, neighbors. We went hungry many times, and usually only ate two meals a day. I got one new pair of pants and one pair of shoes, yearly. My coats all came from a church.

    My first job was delivering telegrams for Western Union. I rode over 100 miles A DAY on my bike.

    Was that my "dream job". HELL NO! But it WAS a job. I did many jobs I didn't like, but your "liking" a job has shit to do with making a living. You just have to start somewhere. Then, as you gain knowledge, training and experience, you improve your lot by getting a better job. Eventually, unless you're just another drone, you'll decide on a career you might like and shoot for that.

    People now days have such an entitlement attitude that I have actually heard a hungry man say "that job is below me" when I said McDonalds is hiring.

    This Socialist attitude of "I'm entitled" is pure, and disgusting, bullshit.

    And YES - get off your butt, get a haircut and GET A JOB. Any idiot can do it.

    And at the same time you do that, you'll also get your independence, your freedom, your self respect and your pride back.

    As I said before, and has been proven world wide, a UBI is just another nail in the coffin for mankind. At least for now.

    Maybe, in the future, when we all develop proper individual and sociatal morals, the UBI could work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oleg View Post
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    If anyone chooses not to work, then wages are too low. If there were too few workers, wages would rise to a level at which those previously choosing not to work would instead choose to work.
    Exactly the problem! 1% own everything, and 99% work for the 1%.

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    Does communism by any other name smell as sweet?

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