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    Quote Originally Posted by Naverith View Post
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    Bottom line is this. There ain't no such thing as a "free" anything. If it doesn't cost you in taxes, it'll cost you in your soul.
    Did you read that post for Canada? They scrapped UBI trial in Ontario for political reasons. It was started by one party in the government and then when a new party came in, they got rid of it so they could reduce taxes, government spending, etc. It was basically a way to make campaign promises claiming that it was too expensive, yet they did not back that up with any data.

    Heres something interesting:

    After Ontario launched its pilot, recipients began detailing how their lives had changed; the funds had afforded them healthier food, warm clothes for winter and even a long-postponed visit to the dentist. Others used the funds to go back to school or invest in their own businesses.

    The Hamilton resident Dave Cherkewski, 46, said the monthly payments had eased the stress of daily life, enabling him to better cope with a mental illness that had kept him out of the workforce since 2002.

    Now he was gearing up to return to work, hoping to find a role where he could support others with mental health challenges. “With basic income I will be able to clarify my dream and actually make it a reality,” he told the Associated Press.

    “Because I can focus all my effort on that and not worry about, ‘Well, I need to pay my $520 rent, I need to pay my $50 cellphone, I need to eat and do other things.’”


    Sounds like that guy was totally lazy.....

    Not everyone will just be lazy and do nothing if they got UBI. In fact, many will use it to follow their dreams and do professions that they enjoy...fancy that, a job that you look forward to going to every day.
    Yes there will be those that just sit around playing video games all day *cough* , but there are also many who will actually have the ability to focus on what makes their life enjoyable....which may very well be their own business, or going back to school, maybe even developing a new video game, the list goes on.

    I'm not saying that UBI is an answer or should go ahead, but a modification of it could be something useful if its looked into and trialed properly. Something needs to be worked out for when Automation & AI remove a lot of jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizz View Post
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    At the moment the opposite is actually happening. We have far to few workers available!
    Our unemployment rate has never been lower as it is today.
    Unless your unemployment rate is zero, you do not have too few workers available.

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    How about we fully fund the well being for the millions of elderly and disabled who have no other options to work , first. Lets also fund mental illness reform for the homeless that need it and figure out a way to help the drug addicted part of the population get back into being a part of society and not outcasts.

    Then after the people who actually work can prove they can support the parts of society they would rather forget, maybe just maybe, I would consider Universal basic income for any person who is able bodied. Until then...Remember those you so easily forget who have far far less than you, and have been asking for help far longer than this idea even existed.

    The only time a society is in the position to consider this option, is when there are no social groups within that society that would undoubtedly get oppressed even further by this idea.

    Pretending to be utopian in a world that is clearly far from it, is destructive and ignorant of reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oleg View Post
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    Unless your unemployment rate is zero, you do not have too few workers available.
    Impossible, there will always be someone who chooses not to work.

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    As it sits right now, due to removing restrictions on businesses and the booming economy, the only people without jobs in the U.S. are those that do NOT want one. Anyone can get a job.

    Problem is, too many have made a generational choice of being on welfare. These are the professional "victims" who will always blame someone or something else for their economic standards.

    This might not last long, as economies world wide (the ones based on Communism or Socialism) are being dragged down by their willingness to burden their taxpayers with supporting illegal immigration and frivolous spending.

    Like the saying goes, "Socialism works great, until you run out of the other guys money."

    To be clear: the words "Socialism" and "Communism" are simple (or maybe complicated) descriptions of philosophical viewpoints that mankind have exhibited for thousands of years. The great nations of Earth that pandered to those two viewpoints, collapsed. The only civilized nations that still exist, are those that have incorporated Capitalism (in one form or another).

    But then again, if I were sitting in a scout craft, just above Earth, for any period of time, watching and evaluating the people of Earth, the word "civilized" would probably not be in the report I sent back.

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    also the biggest thing why a ubi fails is that if you give, lets say 1000 euro to everyone as UBI, with no strings attached, then you can see how 2 months later everything has gotten so expensive, that it makes no difference anymore if u get the ubi or not. rent prices will double. normal every day stuff will get more expensive and may double or triple in price and things like going to the cinemas may even cost 3-5 times of what it was before.
    thats just normal capitalism. there is a lot more money so things get more expensive. easy as that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xen View Post
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    It's inevitable. Either that or violent revolution. Take your pick.
    lol. when you believe that then u r a threat for our democracy.

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    Did you read that post for Canada? They scrapped UBI trial in Ontario for political reasons. It was started by one party in the government and then when a new party came in, they got rid of it so they could reduce taxes, government spending, etc. It was basically a way to make campaign promises claiming that it was too expensive, yet they did not back that up with any data.

    Heres something interesting:

    After Ontario launched its pilot, recipients began detailing how their lives had changed; the funds had afforded them healthier food, warm clothes for winter and even a long-postponed visit to the dentist. Others used the funds to go back to school or invest in their own businesses.

    The Hamilton resident Dave Cherkewski, 46, said the monthly payments had eased the stress of daily life, enabling him to better cope with a mental illness that had kept him out of the workforce since 2002.

    Now he was gearing up to return to work, hoping to find a role where he could support others with mental health challenges. “With basic income I will be able to clarify my dream and actually make it a reality,” he told the Associated Press.

    “Because I can focus all my effort on that and not worry about, ‘Well, I need to pay my $520 rent, I need to pay my $50 cellphone, I need to eat and do other things.’”


    Sounds like that guy was totally lazy.....

    Not everyone will just be lazy and do nothing if they got UBI. In fact, many will use it to follow their dreams and do professions that they enjoy...fancy that, a job that you look forward to going to every day.
    Yes there will be those that just sit around playing video games all day *cough* , but there are also many who will actually have the ability to focus on what makes their life enjoyable....which may very well be their own business, or going back to school, maybe even developing a new video game, the list goes on.

    I'm not saying that UBI is an answer or should go ahead, but a modification of it could be something useful if its looked into and trialed properly. Something needs to be worked out for when Automation & AI remove a lot of jobs.
    so... you dont like the job you have but you dont do the job u want. who is hindering you on doing the job you want to do? its only your own fear.

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    it may work on a microscopic level but it CANT work on a macroscopic level. and that is the essence of what every study about it shows.

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