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    Quote Originally Posted by English Stephen View Post
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    Hey,

    Observations:
    • It's a lot harder to make a huge profit now. Everything seems weighted on initial investment and you wont get a rags to riches loot anymore. I can see why MA did this but it does take away from the excitement and experience I had back in the day. Agreed. Also by your own admission this makes it a less casino environment today then earlier. Think about it.
    • It's a little easier to break even/make a small profit. Especially if you go full eco on puny mobs. Agreed. Point 1 again applies.
    • It feels like amped mining is a necessity if you want a global/hof now which is a big risk for players with a low bankroll. Agreed, same as 1
    • The missions are a great way to add value to a hunt - some of the skillpoint gains i get from both the codex and missions are awesome and it's really good if your a laser gunner because you can pick blp/gauss/explosive gains and gain a huge amount of skills in that Agreed
    • The spawnrates are ridiculous and they shouldn't be able to spawn within a certain distance of a player. I've had 2 mobs spawn right on top of me while i'm dealing with another one and it's just BS tbh. Agreed
    • Very disappointed with the devaluation of old classics like the FireForge DAR 9300. I can imagine a lot of old players had stocks of original weapons and to see MA mismanage their ingame economy like this by shitting on their oldest players is sad. I understand the impetus for (L) weaps but there had to be a gentler way, maybe even an amnesty of sorts. I really feel gutted for players who saved good weapons only to be shafted by economy 2.0 Agreed but i do not see another way how MA could do it besides keeping it all L which in my opinion is what they should have stuck to , to begin with.
    • Auto-fire/aim is great, I love it Agreed
    • Often your servers are laggy as hell and its unacceptable given how much money is involved. You're not Tibia - sort it out. *Disagree. The amount of money in EU unlike other games is not profit for MA but a liability. Unless you are ready to lose all the money deposited, which i am sure if everyone is then MA can use that to fund way better servers.
    • You need to do better at incentiveising players congregate in different areas of the game. So many places are barren now, never a player around. This wasn't the case when I used to play, even the most backwoods tp would have a few people standing around. Now it's just a few hubs per planet and it ruins the immersion. *Agreed
    • On a network level, stop treating mobile service centres as separate places from their geographical location. The load in is ridiculous and will turn a lot of new players off. *Agreed

    We can always agree to disagree on the casino bit as our perspectives might be different but in your own admission this is less of a casino today then it was before. Which personally, i think is where MA should be headed. Focus on the game with an RCE element as an addon rather then focus on just RCE with a game put on top of it.

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    I know for a fact you could hit bigger hofs with less back in the day.


    www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQqFeCCuwW0
    Everyone knows this. The problem with big HOFs was the volatility. MA still need an income. A few players got 10k ped argo/other low HP mob, the rest of the bunch had 50-70 % return (I played PE back in 2006-2007). Why do you think a few persons could LIVE off withdrawals from PE? A lot of people had to go broke/lose a lot - they're just not around anymore to tell the story.

    In short, you needed a bigger budget back then to not risk ruin.

    EU 2019: Volatility is lower. If I kill 10k + mobs, I know I won't hit more than ~1000x input on a single mob, but I also know I will have at least 90 % of spent peds in return (on average more - even +100 % at times). I also know I need a bigger budget if I want to chase those 10k+ ped HOFs to not risk ruin, but I can also just spend say $100 a month on huge mobs if it'd give me a thrill, regardless of not having the budget to back the play style up. In short, I can tailor my spending much easier now than before.

    What you are missing also is that in PE you couldn't cycle 1500 ped/hour like you easily can today with buffs and SIB weapons. Mobs did not have that much HP. With the volatility you had back then, a lot more people would go broke and whine whine whine. not good for player retention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Stephen View Post
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    Observations:
    • It feels like amped mining is a necessity if you want a global/hof now which is a big risk for players with a low bankroll
    You still can global unamped. Well, not every day, but certainly more often than in 2013...2014.
    There are many ways to skin a cat but just one way to boil a frog.

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    You still can global unamped. Well, not every day, but certainly more often than in 2013...2014.

    Aye. Not long ago I had a 157 ped lyst global unamped. And I am not mining that much.

    One can also get Mining strongboxes unamped (and on Ark Mah'ketta parts when looking for treasure afaik) - so unamped is still a good way to mine. (There's also talks about rare finds have capped multis, so that's not going to be a problem unamped).

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    Hofs were alot lower back then. Oct 2005 biggest ATH mining was 5k, hunting 25k, crafting (iirc) some 30k.

    No mining amps, no indoor mining, deposits sized halfway, tt dependant of skill, way bigger hitrate etc etc On hunting, of course, other differences.

    "Rags to riches" meant to have in that 500 ped hof a few pieces of nemesis and a weapon which you would use yourself and slowly work your way up.

    This is simply impossible nowadays, you need first to deposit to buy the weapon which to enable access to some margins. And per comparative firepower, nowadays you need to drop in 400-1,4k$ for weapons which would have costed a few hundred peds.

    More industrious in nature, more gambly in absolute values, less gambly in % values, less skill dependant, less atmosphere, way more scamming going around as "trading". That's how is now vs then.

    The main difference is that nowadays you absolutely need to deposit some 10k$ at least, and deposit that upfront, if you want to grow. Back then you could start from zero. Conceptually, EU is the exact opposite of what PE was.

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    Thanks for the replies -

    Like I said, not posting this to shit on the game - I have a big soft spot for EU (obviously if I come back after all this time). I just think MA are far too happy to rest on their laurels instead of actually putting some effort into making the game enjoyable.

    They kept adding planets but really this was just to sell LAs and deeds as well as outsider investment. They could have kept it as calypso and its moon and focused on making those planets fully developed and realised before spreading the experience out over 6 planets in the most boring way possible.

    They haven't done or inspired anything notable since the last sale of virtual property. It seems like that's the only thing they have ever done for PR - had someone buy a virtual asset for a huge amount of cash. Not saying that's bad PR but what else does the game have to offer for people who don't have that kind of bankroll?

    I really wish MA would start treating this game as the living world it sells itself as rather than a portfolio of assets valued by a virtual currency.

    Why don't they start selling gigantic floating ads in high traffic areas for RL companies for example (4 orbiting billboards at twin peaks tp)? All they have to do is prove the viewing for analytics (easy on an engine level), it needn't be too obnoxious. And have some of that income trickle through in loots.

    I just don't feel they're creative enough, they're far too comfortable and the game will stagnate eventually.

    This is a game designed by risk-averse businessmen rather than people who actually play games. And no - you can't have it both ways.
    Last edited by English Stephen; 10-09-2019 at 20:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Stephen View Post
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    Thanks for the replies -

    Like I said, not posting this to shit on the game - I have a big soft spot for EU (obviously if I come back after all this time). I just think MA are far too happy to rest on their laurels instead of actually putting some effort into making the game enjoyable.

    They kept adding planets but really this was just to sell LAs and deeds as well as outsider investment. They could have kept it as calypso and its moon and focused on making those planets fully developed and realised before spreading the experience out over 6 planets in the most boring way possible.

    They haven't done or inspired anything notable since the last sale of virtual property. It seems like that's the only thing they have ever done for PR - had someone buy a virtual asset for a huge amount of cash. Not saying that's bad PR but what else does the game have to offer for people who don't have that kind of bankroll?

    I really wish MA would start treating this game as the living world it sells itself as rather than a portfolio of assets valued by a virtual currency.

    Why don't they start selling gigantic floating ads in high traffic areas for RL companies for example (4 orbiting billboards at twin peaks tp)? All they have to do is prove the viewing for analytics (easy on an engine level), it needn't be too obnoxious. And have some of that income trickle through in loots.

    I just don't feel they're creative enough, they're far too comfortable and the game will stagnate eventually.

    This is a game designed by risk-averse businessmen rather than people who actually play games. And no - you can't have it both ways.
    o gawd...if there's ONE thing i hate about our 'civilization' it's advertising. why don't you wrap yourself in said advertising and mail yourself to the moon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloisius View Post
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    o gawd...if there's ONE thing i hate about our 'civilization' it's advertising. why don't you wrap yourself in said advertising and mail yourself to the moon?
    k but -18% on combibos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English Stephen View Post
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    And no - you can't have it both ways.
    I'll give it a try.

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