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    Quote Originally Posted by ~ Cirrus ~ View Post
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    If you really believe that efficiency and looter prof is why your returns are good then you are very naive..
    But I know you are not..

    Just in case I'll tell you why: Because you invested ALOT of money in the game.

    Now make a test, chip-out your looter skills and use common weapons..
    I bet you'll never have 50/60% return that I (and lot of others) have VERY VERY often.

    Efficiency ? Let's be serious..
    I use 60/75% efficiency guns and you use 90/95% ?
    That's a theorical maximum of ~1% in TT return.

    Don't even talk about Looter profession please, since nobody knows what it does..

    And IMO they introduced it for one single reason: Prevent EU from falling under the scope of anti-gambling laws.
    Its efficiency is probably something like 0.00001% per level..
    My return was waaay better when I was L15 looter than now I'm at L40..

    MA like to say "All avatar are equal", but it's politician talk.

    Cause indeed they are all equal, but this until one deposit 1000 x more money than another..

    MA don't care so much about small/medium depositors, they know some new people always come to try and deposit a bit, some leave, some others comes..

    But people who deposit 100K, 200K, or 500K$ ingame are pretty rare, and these ones have special treatment, they have to be pampered..

    So that's very nice for you and the few that have alot of money to invest, but just Stop letting people believe that it's possible for everyone, cause it's NOT anymore possible, and will be worse and worse mainly cause of the deeds system.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

    I invested ONCE 4K$ over 3 years ....

    I got back 158K copper that was sold @ 120%

    Withdrawed most and had a new roof on my house ...

    Still mining, still making profit ... without ANY depo's ...how you explain that?
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    I think it makes a little sence, MA would prob newer pay out more then they earn, if every deposit stoped they still would have to get their money somehow. On the other hand mayby its impossible for them to loose money with the "98%" lootcap that makes every1 loose in the end and the house always win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeelooM View Post
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    I invested ONCE 4K$ over 3 years ....

    I got back 158K copper that was sold @ 120%

    Withdrawed most and had a new roof on my house ...

    Still mining, still making profit ... without ANY depo's ...how you explain that?
    Luck that you never had a very terrible streak (as in lasting for a couple hundred thousand clicks/drops/kills)...

    I invested 20$ in my first year, got a 4,6k hof + a couple 450 hofs. Ofc it went south from there on (depoed another 200$) untill the 5k + 900 hof, at that time (over a year ago) i was standing at about 9k total.. terrible return ever since those 2 hofs, now i'm down to 1.5k (got to mention i've withdrawn 5k). If i'd get my hof for 95% return, then i would be somewhere in the 10-17,5k range, but as long as it doesn't happen...

    like i've said, in the end it comes down to being lucky with the multipliers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukat123 View Post
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    Luck that you never had a very terrible streak (as in lasting for a couple hundred thousand clicks/drops/kills)...

    I invested 20$ in my first year, got a 4,6k hof + a couple 450 hofs. Ofc it went south from there on (depoed another 200$) untill the 5k + 900 hof, at that time (over a year ago) i was standing at about 9k total.. terrible return ever since those 2 hofs, now i'm down to 1.5k (got to mention i've withdrawn 5k). If i'd get my hof for 95% return, then i would be somewhere in the 10-17,5k range, but as long as it doesn't happen...

    like i've said, in the end it comes down to being lucky with the multipliers...
    As I said before ...

    Skills, brains, common sense and maybe listen to some 1 who has the experience is all you need.
    And you need the ability to count, I would even say this is a must
    And for luck ... Luck has NOTHING to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeelooM View Post
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    As I said before ...

    Skills, brains, common sense and maybe listen to some 1 who has the experience is all you need.
    And you need the ability to count, I would even say this is a must
    And for luck ... Luck has NOTHING to do with it.
    rofl.... it's just luck, if you would have to wait 100's of clicks for a single multiplier to appear, then yours would suck too... or do you really want to tell me you get your raw materials for 100% and only get stuff worth 125+%?

    Btw funny how you ignore the whole being at +10k to +17k with 95% return part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukat123 View Post
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    rofl.... it's just luck, if you would have to wait 100's of clicks for a single multiplier to appear, then yours would suck too... or do you really want to tell me you get your raw materials for 100% and only get stuff worth 125+%?
    In mining you get back 80-90% TT return now, but the system brings you back to 94-95% when you are in minus... so WHERE DO YOU THINK MY PROFIT COMES FROM?

    If YOU keep paying MU on resources, craft shitty stuff that nobody buy's and sell to TT WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE LOSS IS?

    I'll repeat myself again ...cause you are NOT listening ...

    Skills, brains, common sense and maybe listen to some 1 who has the experience is all you need.
    And you need the ability to count, I would even say this is a must
    And for luck ... Luck has NOTHING to do with it.


    No longer gonna reply to your stupid questions/answers now ... some never learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeelooM View Post
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    In mining you get back 80-90% TT return now, but the system brings you back to 94-95% when you are in minus...
    and that's just not the case on crafting.... last time it took me 390k(!!!!) clicks to make the jump from 90 to 95%. That jump was 17 months ago, still waiting for the next jump from 90 to 95%.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeelooM View Post
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    If YOU keep paying MU on resources, craft shitty stuff that nobody buy's and sell to TT WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE LOSS IS?
    please miner, shut the fuck up about stuff you have no frigging clue about.
    220$ depo'd, 500$ withdrawn, 150$ left, up to 1,7k$ pending in the hof pool, and you call that total loss /facepalm. You may want to read up the definition of loss/profit, you obviously don't know what that is.
    Last edited by Alukat123; 10-14-2019 at 05:29.

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    Per individual, no , as any messi will say it.
    Overall, yes. If more money is withdrawn than money deposited the entropia effect is more visible.
    It can may be temporary because assets are transfered from ingame currency to irl one due to the CP deeds being sellable , less money injected due to regular paypal users not being able to.
    Remember that CP deeds did sell fast, most have been purchased from assets already in game rather than deposits, and now is out of entropia at value * 1.65.
    Many players poped up in the first week of october up to 1890 active users due to codex novelty, now it is sub 1700 and shrinkiing again.
    Mayhem may bring new deposits if not a simple copy paste, it should be be visible within firsts 3 days of mayhem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobBuona View Post
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    Deposits do not affect loot. At all.
    So how is it posible that right after i deposit or open 20x boxes i suddenly get an global and improved loot?

    And was not only just 1 situation, everytime i get that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pechunter View Post
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    I think it makes a little sence, MA would prob newer pay out more then they earn, if every deposit stoped they still would have to get their money somehow. On the other hand mayby its impossible for them to loose money with the "98%" lootcap that makes every1 loose in the end and the house always win.
    There is no such thing as 98% lootcap.

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