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    this is the profile of new owner of Attanar Legion Steele in here at EF.

    Yes I have never liked that guy :P
    I'm sorry for your loss guys =/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ViagraFalls
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    1) There is a definite need for some form of police.

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    2) There needs to be a lending system.

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    For either of these to happen you would need to settle the issue of ownership. MA are quite clear about this in the EULA. Any and every item within EU belongs to them. Nothing is owned by an individual avatar, or the RL person controlling it.

    Consequently no prosecution or court case against MA or another avatar will ever succeed in theory, because MA can't steal from themselves.

    Dispute resolution is easy for MA support because Avatar A never owned anything, so Avatar B who's effectively stolen from them has no case to answer.... NEXT!

    Likewise official lending is impossible. All collateral is owned by MA. So what is there to guarantee a loan???

    Now you might say 'Shadwell, you've obviously been to the pub, drank far too much beer and are talking a load of BS'... and you would be right. However, until someone takes MA to court to challenge the EULA and the ownership clause, MA are simply not responsible for the resolution of EU fraud, theft, or people defaulting on loans.

    BTW... I think 'old Legion' is cool. 'new Legion' sounds like a spoilt muppet, and I hope those that he's ripped off get their stuff back. Shortly after I hope he finds that the rich relative who was going to give him all this money actually went slightly potty and gave all the money to a pet parrot who's now living in a mansion in Hawaii.

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  3. #83
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    Yes, but there *ARE* workarounds for this, and it's EU really NEEDS this to grow and mature, imo.
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    No. We don't believe a general lending system will be beneficial to Entropia Universe, and the security around it is very complex. The indications we have are that if a lending system is introduced it will create monopolies and remove a large part of the fun factor from Entropia Universe.
    of course there are work-arounds, its only a computer program But the key phrases here are "beneficial to Entropia Universe" and "it will create monopolies"...this is pretty much the reason also why you/we havent seen any uber faps, merc, mk's dropped..even though the "population" increase since the last ones dropped would seem to of justified a few by now? no?

    "balancing", "beneficial", and "monopolies" obviously mean different things to different people...all depends on which side of the fence/company you are sitting.
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    Just want to say this, and it isnt much:


    Comunitie at this point dont have 100% of te information.

    Not possible atm couse it would damage rep of some very "trustable", "ubber", "EU friendly" person and socs, and we are trying to resove all for the better

    The only legion that matters in this thread is attannar from SOf (he isnt in sof anymore)

    Flatline legion isnt the issue

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    What a very unfortunate situation and I'm sorry about your loss.
    The only thing that will bring resolution is people returning items on good faith but that is darn hard to do when those items can buy you a very nice house or a few new cars. If you look at it from MA's point of view, the logs show a trade was made and for them, thats all they can say. Ownership is 100% possession.

    As for the loan system well, ok lets side with Marco and assume its very complex. Do you really trust an outsourced party, one you have seen results from, to code a complex loan system? Imagine the potential for scams and exploits if the system was not implemented 100% bug free. Im not bashing the developers but would you really trust them with your 100,000,000 ped?

    All in all its sad the greed that exists here and in the real world
    Good luck SOF
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    JAMES STRYKER WHAT? SOMEONE PLEASE FILL US IN OR IS IT JUST NAME DROPPING HERE?

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    This was staying between the parties involved; there was no need for public speculation or opinions.

    I have resolved part of the matter with Burnsey, and I am out almost 200k peds from my own pocket, just to be fair to him, as well as being totally decieved by what had become a very good friend (legion).

    And for those who dont know me, im not a hollywood-moneydripping-bigshot; Im still a student and what has conspired thus far nearly crippled me. So thanks in advance for bringing this all into public attention, not to mention trying to imply that I scammed.

    Burnsey said he would post later to confirm what I have said. For those of you who are relgious, please pray that the person in question comes through with his promises in the end...

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    Sad thing happening again.
    The issue is not about Attanar Legion, or the story he told, or the money he didn't pay back.
    The issue is about someone (who i thought was a nice player and whom i respected so far) that took SOF items as his pay back for what Legion did.

    I'm sure you know i agree that what he has done is wrong, but also sure he is not thinking about that now.

    I hope he can understand this and give you back the items.

    I'dd like to add that i'm here to help in anything you need (although can't think about anything now...).

    ------ Edit After reading Stryker's reply ------------

    You did the right thing. I'm glad you did it, would be a great disapointment for myself if you didin't. i (still) have you in great consideration.
    My last line of previous reply goes to you too now... if there's anything i can do to help...
    Last edited by StrategicJasmin; 09-29-2006 at 00:51.

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    Yes it is true that we came to a compromise. And I wish this all turns right in the end.

    As for the story, it should not have been made public because it is a very complicated story and even those who are intimately involved probably do not know of all the details.

    The facts need to be ironed out before anyone is named/called out for this or that.
    "Its like I am in PE purgatory..." -Xerxes

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    Seems like a good time to close this thread. Happy to hear at least some of the things were worked out. Best of luck to Burnsey, Stryker and anyone else who has lost items/peds due to this saga.

    Threads of this nature have no place on EF. I am not sure who Windswept (thread starter) is, or his/her relation to the parties involved, but in any case, it was inappropriate to drag these things into a public forum.


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