Rusty said:
I've not seen this and dont know if the mini-update has fixed it but bubbling is now no longer any use for sweating or at least for me.
When I discovered I could sweat again (is this a bug as well or is it supposed to be like this) I immediately bubbled up and went out sweating ('cause I actually miss it and enjoy it at times) but the mobs went straight through the bubbles. Is this the same for everyone?
I know they nerfed bubbling for tp chips at last vu but if its nerfed for sweating now what on earth is focus used for now???
Rusty
Its not just you Rusty. Here's the case I sent in back in May (Wow imagine that, Mac files support cases
). I filed another case after I found that it wasn't fixed in this 7.6 VU, but was surprised it wasn't there just now when I went to look for it to reference it here, strange it was there yesterday. Whatever, I will file it again.
Edit: its back in my queue, see edit below..
Anyway, the loss of focus was still a problem for me after this VU. I think MA has a different frame of reference for time when they say "...a solution will be found soon." Four months with no fix is not "soon" as I understand the meaning of the word.
I haven't been able to test it since this new patch today. Basically, Focus works for TP, Focus, Heal, NerveBlast atm. I don't have a Firestorm chip yet, so I havn't tested that. But it does not work for sweating at this time. I guess if it did, that would mean sweaters would be more efficient, something that MA is against for some reason since they haven't done anything to fix it.
Here's the case for your reference, I will Re-submit another case if necessary after I do my duty to MA and test their production code for them this evening as part of my fun time gaming experience responsibility. I suggest you do the same, since now that you know about this bug, you risk getting locked if you don't report it. Especially since we have been reminded over and over by the EULA police and the MA spokesmuffins that this is our duty and responsibility to MA for the privilege of playing their game.
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Case 40682 History
2005-05-13 Mac:
Since the vu 7.3, I am no longer able to maintain focus when being hit by mobs even though I have charged my avatar with Mind Force Focus Charges.
Now when I get hit by mob, I get the chat notification: "Mindforce concentration was interrupted due to being hit"
Can you fix it for me please?
Thank you Berycled much.
Mac
2005-05-19 MindArk Support:
We are aware of the issue with the Focus Charges and lost concentration while sweating. We are currently working on this and a solution should be found soon. Sorry for any inconveniences this might have caused you.
/Regards
Support
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Editing this post again to show 7.6 VU Case Re-submit that was missing from my queue but is now back.
Case 52751 History
2005-09-26 Mac:
Below is a previous case I submitted back in May, at that time the case was closed and you wrote "a solution should be found soon."
I don't know what your idea of "soon" is, but here we are four months later with another VU and this still isn't fixed.
Please fix it.
Thank you,
Mac
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Case 40682 History
2005-05-13 Mac:
Since the vu 7.3, I am no longer able to maintain focus when being hit by mobs even though I have charged my avatar with Mind Force Focus Charges.
Now when I get hit by mob, I get the chat notification: "Mindforce concentration was interrupted due to being hit"
Can you fix it for me please?
Thank you Berycled much.
Mac
2005-05-19 MindArk Support:
We are aware of the issue with the Focus Charges and lost concentration while sweating. We are currently working on this and a solution should be found soon. Sorry for any inconveniences this might have caused you.
/Regards
Support
2005-09-27 MindArk Support:
This issue should have been fixed, only with focus chip? You are protected with focus charges using any other chip?
2005-09-27 Mac:
I'm not sure I understand your question, but if you look at the original case, it is in reference to Focus charges not protecting the concentration of the person who is sweating. I didn't meantion anything about broken concentration while using MF Chips.
However, I was aware that concentration was being broken while trying to use the TP chip before this 7.6 VU, but was working while using the Focus, Heal, and Nerve Blast chips. I cannot comment on the Firestarm chip since I do not have one. If you want to give me one, I will test it for you. Since the 7.6 VU. Concentration was not being broken while using the TP chip, at least for me.
I was able to sweat again after the 7.6 VU, so I tested it again and as of yesterday, before the 7.6.2 patch today, my concentration was still being broken by mob hits even though I had many focus charges left.
I haven't tested it after the 7.6.2 patch that was applied today. I will do that when I go home for lunch and update this case. That is, if I can still sweat. I have seen reports of people not being able to sweat again after the 7.6.2 patch.
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Edit2: Added the following case notes:
2005-09-27 Mac:
Update: I tested all of this at lunch again today after the 7.6.2 patch, here's my results.
After charging myself with Focus charges and finding a goup of Snabbles to hit me, my concentration was broken when I tried to sweat, and when I tried to use my TP chip.
However, while having focus charges, and being hit by the same snables, I was able to keep concentration while using the Focus, Heal, Nerve Blast, and Firestorm chips (yes I bought a Firestorm chip to test with since you didn't give me one to test with).
I hope this helps speed up your development of a fix for these bugs. Let me know if you need any more assistance testing your production bugs.
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Edit: Consolidating my postes here for easeir followup.
maxwellhawk said:
Sweating is also apparently capped - I have already re-lost the ability to sweat.
Sweating is still working for me.
Note: I was not able to sweat before the 7.6 VU, but I was able to after the 7.6 VU, and I am still able to sweat after the 7.6.2 patch today (so far).
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2005-09-29 MindArk Support:
The focus charges is not suppose to protect you while sweating, it used to do that before but that was a bug.
/Regards
2005-09-29 Mac:
I don't know why focus is not supposed to protect while sweating, its a Mind Force function! Focus Charges should work the same for all Mind Force functions. It makes no sense to have it work for some and not the others. Please make Focus Charges work consistant across all Mind Force functions.
PS. I tested my TP chip again while being hit after this latest patch today, and noticed this message (I don't remember getting it before).
"This Chip Type in use is not protected by Focus Charges"
"Mind Force Concentration was inturrupted due to being hit"
Again, ffs why not? Can we have some consistancy here???
Question: Why is everything that helps us considered a bug ?
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2005-10-03 MindArk Support:
Mindforce focus charges should only protect your concentration while using heal, blast and firestorm chips.
2005-10-03 Mac:
I understand that it is not a bug now as you have stated, but actually it is how you people have decided to change it to work now.
What I'm telling you is, the way you have changed it, seems like more of a bug now! I and many other players are asking the question, WHY would you do this !?!?
Why would you make a change like this that hurts the players ability to play the game?!?!
It does not make any logical sense that these Mind Force (MF) functions don't all work the same way. These MF functions should all work consistently the same way.
Sweating, and using the Teleport (TP) chip are both MF functions. They should both function the same way as using heal, blast and firestorm chips.
Your avatars concentration should be protected when using and performing Sweating and Teleport functions when charged with focus charges, just the same as using the other MF functions. That would make everything consistent. That would make perfect sense. Right now, the way you have changed it, does not make logical sense.
It limits the reason anyone would want to use the focus chip for purposes other then skilling. Currently since these changes have been made, its just bubbling people to be bubbling them for skill gain. Yes, skill gain is important, but at the same time, it sure could be so much more useful and productive to the game if it all worked the same.
Focus is one thing that we MF skillers could do (and used to be able to do) to add value to the junior players who are trying to get started in the game by sweating.
If I am able to help them be a little more efficient sweating by applying a focus charge, that will help them collect a little bit more sweat because their concentration is not broken when hit by the mob. If they are a little more efficient gathering sweat, then that will help them get engaged in the game, and maybe help them have a better chance of become a productive contributing player. That helps us, and that helps MA.
If they get more sweat, then that will keep the supply up. Having a decent supply of sweat helps keep ME at a reasonable price (assuming that somehow miners are able to find Nexus in this VU, which seems to be a problem at the moment, but that's another issue).
If we have reasonable ME prices, then more people would skill MF, then MF would be more then just a cool luxury that only "rich" people use for showing off.
If more people could skill MF, then MA would make more money on decay of chips and implants, and I think we all know that's the point that MA is really interested in.
Do us all a favor and return the ability to protect concentration while sweating and using the TP chip if you are charged with focus charges.
Its the right thing to do for all concerned.
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Final update, they closed this case now.
Well I did my best to let them know how I, and some others feel about it. All we can hope for is that someone from the dev team will look at it and say, "Oh, they are right! This doesn't make sense. Lets make Focus work consistently for all Mind Force functions, Sweating, TP, Heal, NB, FS, Res, Wormhole, etc."
2005-10-04 MindArk Support:
Hi Mac,
I cannot get into discussion regarding how it should work, but I will send your concerns about it for our designers to read. Thank you for sharing your thoughts about this matter.
/Regards Support
