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Adjusted Omegaton M2722, am I missing something here?

two words: karma killer
 
going by raw stats id say the perennial, common or garden EP40 Merc is better. the only thing i can see thats adjusted is the TT value and the range.
 
EP-40 does the job

value for money I choose the EP-40 Merc, I changed from using a FreanD Delta - best thing I ever did. It really surprises me they aren't more expensive - and my skill gains have been fine whilst using it.
 
Replace adjusted with ancient, and what you get is that is it. :eek: I actually sometimes I thing they aka Mindark made a screwup, which they did'nt because all stats is change beweteen the standard and adjusted. But there is nothing adjusted over it. It's the least best adjusted weapon of all, but it aint shitty because of the range. I like mine due to the range. Is an ok pistol.

Im term of visualization try to think of it as an ancient pistol with a longer range, but same old bad eco as all other unlimited standard Mindark-give weapon.

And yes the eco it alittle bit better, hmmm :scratch2: but I never fell it.
 
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First results.

All done at 3T for the good spawn of same maturity Troxies. All 3 runs had 80% Young, 18% Mature and the odd Old. I tried to take them on one at a time, but the instances with 2 or 3 at a time were pretty even each run.

Armour used - Shogun/5B's (no fapping at all)

All guns used unamped and unscoped/unlasered - and with as close to 100 peds ammo as I could get it give of take the odd shot.

Adj 2722
Skills
LWT - 5417 - 5418 - 1
HG - 3320 - 3329 - 9
Aim - 2577 - 2578 - 1
CR - 2676 - 2678 - 2
IRD - 2700 - 2702 - 2
MMS - 4397 - 4398 - 1
RDA - 3946 - 3948 - 2
WH - 3435 - 3436 - 1
ANT - 4762 - 4764 - 2

Skills Gained - 21
Trox Killed - 57
Gun Decay - 6.98
Armour Decay - 17.64
Total Decay 24.62

EP 40
Skills
LWT - 5418 - 5420 - 2
HG - 3329 - 3337- 8
Aim - 2578- 2578 - 0
CR - 2678 - 2679 - 1
IRD - 2702 - 2706 - 4
MMS - 4398 - 4400 - 2
RDA - 3948 - 3950 - 2
WH - 3436 - 3436 - 0
ANT - 4764 - 4766 - 2

Skills Gained - 21
Trox Killed - 62
Gun Decay - 10.44
Armour Decay - 16.20
Total Decay 24.62

EP 22
Skills
LWT - 5420 - 5421 - 1
HG - 3337 - 3345- 8
Aim - 2578- 2580 - 2
CR - 2679 - 2682 - 3
IRD - 2706 - 2707 - 1
MMS - 4400 - 4401 - 1
RDA - 3950 - 3951 - 1
WH - 3436 - 3437 - 1
ANT - 4766 - 4768 - 2

Skills Gained - 20
Trox Killed - 58
Gun Decay - 2.25
Armour Decay - 20.37
Total Decay 22.62

So, roughly the same number of mobs killed, and roughly the same skills gained. Big difference is the decay difference of the EP22!! That thing just does not decay.

The bigger dmg/sec of the EP40 killed more trox and resulted in lower armour decay.

The faster Adj 2722 kept armour decay down over the EP22 (does this mean mobs hit less when shot at with a faster gun...)

Skills were the same throughout really.

But the decay of the EP22 beats all hands down really. It may be better pitted against a less swarming mob to keep armour decay down.

But in this test, no compelling reason yet for the price tag of the Adj 2722. It seems that the TT+ 5 peds gun has beaten it here, in this run.

And yes, this was just a very small test, 10000 ammo, and it should be repeated time and time again etc etc, but hey there is only so much one can do on a Friday night :)

Gonna do the same thing with some other HG's as time allows.
 
So, I borrowed the gun again (now that Zammy has it back) and went out for another run. This time on less agro mobs.

West of Limnadian - Young to Old Allo's with the odd provider.

Armour used - unlplated Ghost
Both guns used unamped / unscoped / unlasered.
10000 ammo used per run (give or take the odd shot)

Adj 2722
Skills
LWT - 5446 - 5448 - 2
HG - 3353 - 3357 - 4
Aim - 2610 - 2612 - 2
CR - 2715 - 2717 - 2
IRD - 2737 - 2741 - 4
MMS - 4427 - 4428 - 1
RDA - 3979 - 3980 - 1
WH - 3459 - 3460 - 1
ANT - 4805 - 4807 - 2

Skills Gained - 19
Allo Killed - 67
Gun Decay - 7.01
Armour Decay - 1.68
Total Decay 8.69

EP 22
Skills
LWT - 5448 - 5449 - 1
HG - 3357 - 3361- 4
Aim - 2612 - 2615 - 3
CR - 2717 - 2719 - 2
IRD - 2741 - 2742 - 1
MMS - 4428 - 4429 - 1
RDA - 3980 - 3981 - 1
WH - 3460 - 3462 - 2
ANT - 4807 - 4809 - 2

Skills Gained - 17
Allo Killed - 65
Gun Decay - 2.26
Armour Decay - 1.93
Total Decay 3.19

Sameish skills gained - sameish number of mobs killed - but MUCH less decay using the EP22.

The extra rate of fire is nice, but not as relevant for a small hitting gun (compared to bigger hitting guns) imo. Honestly the slower rate of fire for the 22 was hardly noticed hunting mobs that you do not need to Fap for. And the low dmg/sec would make it a chore to hunt mobs that you do need to Fap for.

Same story for the difference in range.

Struggling to see why the difference in markup between these 2 guns is 1500 peds :dunno:
 
I dont realy understand whats up with decay. Does it matter if you pay in decay or in ammo? Seems to me the key figure is dmg/pec.
 
Witte said:
I dont realy understand whats up with decay. Does it matter if you pay in decay or in ammo? Seems to me the key figure is dmg/pec.
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I take your point Witte.

OK, the cost of killing the same amount of mobs is cheaper using the EP22 than the Adj M2722. And in the case of low agro mobs such as Allo's you can kill 2.5 times more Allo's for the same Ped cost.

But obviously, this has only been a few runs so far.
 
safara said:
I take your point Witte.

OK, the cost of killing the same amount of mobs is cheaper using the EP22 than the Adj M2722. And in the case of low agro mobs such as Allo's you can kill 2.5 times more Allo's for the same Ped cost.

But obviously, this has only been a few runs so far.
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But this is still without ammo. If you also count ammo you will likely find that the adj gun is more efficient. (although the difference is just 2-3% so hardly noticable)

Although, I agree this gun is totaly overrated. It does crap damage and has avarage dmg/pec. The only reason for its markup is the word adjusted in it.
 
Witte said:
But this is still without ammo. If you also count ammo you will likely find that the adj gun is more efficient. (although the difference is just 2-3% so hardly noticable)

Although, I agree this gun is totaly overrated. It does crap damage and has avarage dmg/pec. The only reason for its markup is the word adjusted in it.
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since spike did the first test (and therefore since i learned about the 22 - never realised how cheap the decay on it was), it got me wondering: there must be some sort of magic ratio number between gun decay and ammo used. for a while, i thought you simply picked the gun with the lowest decay (i thought that was the adj 2722, as mentioned i didnt know the decay of the 22). because a very cheap repair bill has more chance of making you break even/lose less than "normal decay" (eg, even at full efficiency with k400+104, total hunt decay was ~35 ped, wheras was 10ped on same hunt with adj2722).

thing is, with a gun like the 22, it uses big amounts of ammo in 1 shot, so only a few misses can take a real toll on the ammo burn (being wasted). i've always wondered, there must be some key to making the perfect combination.

spike, i think i'd like to try the 22 out myself. if i like it near to or just as much as i like the 2722, im selling the damn thing.
 
safara said:
OK, the cost of killing the same amount of mobs is cheaper using the EP22 than the Adj M2722. And in the case of low agro mobs such as Allo's you can kill 2.5 times more Allo's for the same Ped cost.

But obviously, this has only been a few runs so far.
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:lolup: Funny nonetheless. Yeah, don't separate decay and ammo for these purposes as none of these are (L).
 
madmike said:
.. but in a global message you can't pose with a "Adj. Pistol"
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kygon said:
but all ex-owners 'know' and chuckle to themselves ;)
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Yes, but there still is somewhat magical sound to that Adj. gun. Dunno maybe its like so that u have to own one, to know its crap or useful. I have to admit the "adj." is cool. (thats a noob talking i know) :laugh:
 
EWE EP22 is one of the best low level unlimited laser pistols. Too often people just look at the nametag of an item to make a choice. '22' is such a low figure in the EWE range, while 'adjusted' is a such a sexy word in EU: this resulted in the 1.5k ped price difference.

BBB
 
I am going to do this again. A 100 ped ammo run using both of these.

Yes, niether are (L) guns. My HA is the same on both on them. So I have the same chance of miss/hit etc with them and the same Min damage %

Adj 2722
Allo Killed - 67
Gun Decay - 7.01
Armour Decay - 1.68
Total Decay 8.69

EP 22
Allo Killed - 65
Gun Decay - 2.26
Armour Decay - 1.93
Total Decay 3.19

If the results remain consistant, then after 10 runs :-
Adj 2722 - 100 peds ammo - 8.69 decay * 10 = 1086.90 peds
EP22 - 100 peds ammo - 3.19 decay * 10 = 1031.90 peds
Using EP22 is 55 peds cheaper than the Adj M2722

After 100 runs, I would have saved 550 peds using the EP22 over the Adj M2722

Killing the sameish amount of mobs and getting the sameish amount of skills.

Yes, I know, every run is different and it may be silly to speculate like this, but it is food for thought before spending 1500 peds or 8 peds markup on a small pistol.
 
safara said:
I am going to do this again. A 100 ped ammo run using both of these.

Yes, niether are (L) guns. My HA is the same on both on them. So I have the same chance of miss/hit etc with them and the same Min damage %

Adj 2722
Allo Killed - 67
Gun Decay - 7.01
Armour Decay - 1.68
Total Decay 8.69

EP 22
Allo Killed - 65
Gun Decay - 2.26
Armour Decay - 1.93
Total Decay 3.19

If the results remain consistant, then after 10 runs :-
Adj 2722 - 100 peds ammo - 8.69 decay * 10 = 1086.90 peds
EP22 - 100 peds ammo - 3.19 decay * 10 = 1031.90 peds
Using EP22 is 55 peds cheaper than the Adj M2722

After 100 runs, I would have saved 550 peds using the EP22 over the Adj M2722
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No you have not saved it, you simply spend less. And killed less mobs. And got less loot.

Killing the sameish amount of mobs and getting the sameish amount of skills.

Yes, I know, every run is different and it may be silly to speculate like this, but it is food for thought before spending 1500 peds or 8 peds markup on a small pistol.
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The point is, when you keep testing this long enough, you will come to the conclusion you can do slightly more damage for the same cost with the adj gun. But like I said, the difference is just 2-3%. Very hard to notice.

This is what the Dmg/PEC column on for example PE-Wiki is all about. You can compare the efficiency of every gun there. This is also the reason the IMK2 has such an insane pricetag.
 
i love the adj , mostly have it amped with a 201 but also use dif amps depending what i hunt.
I have bin using this gun for quite some time now (own it several years and since i passed lvl 50 pistoleer use it as my main HG).

aldo not nearly the level for a desent hitability on it, but the low decay (7 ped/100 ped ammo) on my adj 2722 seems to make up for the lack in HA on it (5.3/10).

And with shooting molisk/argo 70% of all my hunts i seem to break even in the end if i keep shooting and make up for lossed made in crafting/mining or bigger hunts with L stuff)..

mostly hunt argo/molisk any low/med
adjusted omegatron 2722/201 ,
shogun sga/5a,
fap 50sga /tivo

med/high
adj/201 and korss400/104 sga (depending the maturity)
boar/5b
emt 2600 (yeah not to eco but hardly have to fap on these mobs)

i never really double checkt numbers so i might be totally wrong about it , but it seems to go a lot further then a ep 22 and on my runs the mentioned 25 to 3% do matter (dutch and cheap ass :yay:).

a 2 to 3% savings for me makes a diffrence,

in the end love the gun its a great gun for medium mobs that dont have to much hp.
 
Man I love necro posts... here I was reading this and I looked at the date and thought to myself "How the hell did it get to be the middle of April!!!!???"

Blackjack :cowboy:
 
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